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On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm.
This was at Ketchup, btw
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Alright ketchup if you're telling the truth about your RB (just read your post) then you are either an EXTREMELY well-playing scum, 3P, or town. I'm not willing to believe the first of those options right now. Can you explain to me why you pushed back against a Jeff lynch so hard yesterday (and seemingly want to do so again)? It was pushed yesterday by both me (who you currently believe is town apparently) and LT who is confirmed.
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I'll hold my tongue on this for a few minutes, I think.
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And ketchup I posit if you don't want to vote Jeff today, we learn potentially WAY more from a red soniv flip than we do from a red Asmo one. (And I don't think Req is scum). I'm willing to compromise if you are.
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Ultimately it may also come down to the people who show real disinterest. I would argue all of the following people have shown that they don't necessarily care about being around:
Soniv/Jeff/Asmo/mordek/alz/maybe coma/MAYBE alaric
In the end it always comes down to the same people for me. I think we lynch into the 5 red colours I posted earlier we probably win, it's all a matter of in which order.
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On October 14 2014 13:22 ketchup wrote:
Also of the quick successive votes on Coma, only Alzadar is townie to me.
could be interesting to note that soniv and asmo seemed to be leaning on alz and moonbear most
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Wave I really want you to know that you keep making the mistake of
Not as interested as you = disinterested
I think that goes for everyone you described there.
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I'm not saying that as a reflection on your guilt or innocence, I'm just saying its unfair as a metric.
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If I used that metric obviously everyone would be included.
Problem is I don't see soniv's disinterest around yesterday's lynch, for example, or yours for most of the first 72h of this game to be anywhere near what I'd expect.
I didn't include OWB for example and his filter is tiny, because he posts of his own accord when he can and genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game/ For the most part you only do so when forced to.
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On October 14 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ketchup if you're telling the truth about your RB (just read your post) then you are either an EXTREMELY well-playing scum, 3P, or town. I'm not willing to believe the first of those options right now. Can you explain to me why you pushed back against a Jeff lynch so hard yesterday (and seemingly want to do so again)? It was pushed yesterday by both me (who you currently believe is town apparently) and LT who is confirmed.
To start off. I have not lied this game yet, and I don't think you can say I'm lying now. I was role blocked night 1. I am NOT sure why.
Secondly, It's not hard to see I push back on you day 1. I really don't enjoy your tunnel vision on day 1. You saw that then. I know that some people can spot scum from first impression scum, but I can't put my faith in it. I couldn't take the chance that you were somehow manipulating the votes in your favor if you were scum. I also want to say that this was also around the time that moonbear was very inactive, and I brought up the idea that moonbear could be modkilled. To me, I REALLLLLLLLLLLY didn't want to see two kills on day 1 for town. I think I've said this before, but when I posted the mod kill scenario, it was 1hr45min until day end. I still think I was justified in the post. As soon as moonbear responded, I felt he was not genuine, and will be very unhelpful for town so I voted him. I didn't want to see a moonbear that played that way, live on to see day 2 no matter what he was. His filter was 13 posts. I had no problem with the moonbear kill.
Ghandi also responded then, and I felt he was fairly genuine. You also said that his response did kinda win you over. Today, I don't know if I see a world where ghandi + crew are brave enough to vote tolkien and somehow think they won't get backslash. Does Ghandi seem prepared to you to take backlash like scum should have been? I think a ghandi kill today does not help town. So yes, I can
##Vote: Soniv
I just don't think it will gain traction.
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On October 14 2014 13:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'm not saying that as a reflection on your guilt or innocence, I'm just saying its unfair as a metric.
It's not though.
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I should have worded the first part better, and missed words in the start of the 2nd:
Secondly, It's not hard to see why* I pushed* back on you day 1
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I don't think it will be as hard as you make it out to be if we put forth the effort, and it's pretty clear we are both prepared to.
Put it this way...does anybody have a TOWNread on the guy right now? I see a lot of well...hm...WAve/soniv i dunno...
But the fact remains nobody is prepared to blatantly state he is town and some people wont state much of anything. Wonder why that is.
I think there is a possibility of Jeff flipping town, and it can wait so long as we're lynching into this list.
##unvote
##vote: jcarlsoniv
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I'm pretty sure I've reached a point in the game where I can say if you're scum ketchup I wouldn't mind losing to you (if you're 3P poisoner well we might have a problem  ), and I think that spot may have previously been taken up my Alaric, who has since been kicked out.
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On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. This was at Ketchup, btw
You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please.
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I see Wave and Soniv as sort of opposites right now. They represent two schools of suspicion for me, and that means I don't think both of them are scum or town. I could also see Asmo or Req as scum, but I couldn't see Asmo as scum with Soniv. Wave and Req as both scum would mean that their exchanges were the results of deep coordination, which I don't buy from a first-time Requizen.
Right now my suspicion is leaning less off of Wave.
Also, upon thinking more, I'm pretty confident Req is innocent. I can't see him being Mafia with either Soniv nor Wave right now, and I think one of those two is scum.
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AKA I want to vote Soniv right now, but something is holding me back.
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How about if it's not him it's you? That good enough? 
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I did say I would lay off Wave, but there are a few possibilities here that work.
Wave can easily be 3p.
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Same as how he feels I can be 3p or some crazy amazing first time scum player
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EPT
