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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 02:42 GMT
#239
On October 11 2014 11:37 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 11:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 11 2014 11:12 ketchup wrote:
On October 11 2014 11:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:56 ketchup wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:39 ketchup wrote:
[quote]

It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ

The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way.

Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?

This is boring so far. I'm bored.
Why aren't people voting for scum?


And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now.

It shouldn't.
Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever?


What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game


^ this basically would have been my response to wave

Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out.

In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side?

Jeff - why is Wave scum?

Wave - why is Jeff scum?

ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick?


I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it was not something I imagined Wave doing as the first post after game started so I naturally am cautious around it. I admit I have not played with Wave, but I feel that post is 100% questionable, and should be pointed out. This is especially compounded by the fact that it was also a really quick vote on someone. So, I called him out on it.


Don't let the fact that he did something unexpected color your judgement - posting in a mafia game is completely different. Let what he says color your opinion.

@Cixah - trying to decide if wave is just being aggressive townie or taking advantage of the lesser experienced crowd to make a bold play. I'm feeling the former is probably correct - he can be a bloodhound when he wants to.

Bold play plz.
I've asked ketchup this multiple times and he hasn't answered my latest post towards him but I like that you actually had some input on what you think my intentions are.
Big ol' townpoints for you.


I did respond to it...

You responded to this?
On October 11 2014 11:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 10:54 ketchup wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:41 ketchup wrote:
Then again, honestly, I don't think he's scum. I just think he is not pointing out anything useful.

Well then neither are you.


I disagree with that completely. If you think Alzadar was WIFOM with his post about veteran players, then you should agree with me in regards to what he has done. He hasn't brought up relevant information about the game played, and is instead looking at out of game situations that don't really have anything to do with the game itself. Can you at least agree that what he did doesn't help town?

On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:39 ketchup wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:23 ketchup wrote:
I honestly would have been less suspicious of Wave if all his post said was to vote ghandi because he is young as shit. Instead he had to color code everything! The color coding is way too strong for me. Wave please QQQQ

What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment?


It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ

The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way.

Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?

This is boring so far. I'm bored.
Why aren't people voting for scum?


In actuality, I don't think your post actually did anything. The fact that you want to early vote ghandieagle is also really really odd. Why should I have to have played previously with you to know your intentions? It makes no sense. I look at what I'm seeing right now, and make a decision from there. I really dislike your spoiler too as it is written as if it is outside of the game, but everything posted is IN game.

The point is, if you don't think he's scum, then pointing out the useless stuff he has done serves no purpose whatsoever, similar to his own posting.

You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play.
You also said you think my intentions are suspicious. What do you think they are exactly?

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 02:46 GMT
#241
On October 11 2014 11:44 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play.


I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town.

You go ahead and do that. Part of the reason why I win so many games as scum is people's terrible use of meta reads. It's precisely why I warned people before the game started.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 03:05 GMT
#247
1) Feels.

2) They're shit, but they don't make him scum. I don't even find them suspicious. Just null.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 03:10 GMT
#249
On October 11 2014 12:07 MoonBear wrote:
Hm if we don't vote to lynch someone Day 1 we end up in Day 2 where the Scum get a free kill in exchange for information that the cop people can get. However, how do the cop people communicate their findings to us? And how would we tell if the cop is a real cop or just someone pretending to be them?

That's why we don't no-lynch.
Cops have to play smart and stay alive long enough to get a bunch of checks off, and then reveal much later in the game, or they have to attempt to push a player whom they have a redcheck on without making it obvious that they have that check. As far as claiming/counterclaiming goes, I'm not going to talk about how that works because I don't want to give newer scum ideas. If there are vet scum on the team they'll know.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 03:14 GMT
#251
Alzadar why does Jeff's posting make him scum?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 12:38 GMT
#270
Alaric this is a position where I am quite happy about those walls of text. Now critical thinking is very nice and all, but much like ketchup you have come to no conclusions, which is not particularly useful to anyone. Does my posting make me scum or town? Or are you also falling back on the excuse that you're 'waiting to see how people react?' I'm not exactly sure what ketchup expets people to do that will earn him solid reads one away or another in that regard.
Now as to the details of your post, you said we should focus more on ghandi, and yet you did no focusing on him at all in your post. I await your focus.

As for the answers to your questions, I should be protected became scum are going to want to kill me after I am the one responsible for getting their teammate lynched on the first day.

And as for counterclaiming, I'm trying not to discuss how scum strategy works so they don't use it against us if the time comes.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 12:40 GMT
#271
As one of the more veteran players, I want to hear what Soniv thinks of alalric's post as well.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 12:58 GMT
#273
Lol considering half the thread has targeted me now one way or another without actually voting, the only conclusion that makes sense is that I'm not scum (or scum is lurking up a storm, which I suppose could make sense as well)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 13:04 GMT
#274
6ah I'd like you to answer your own question towards me before I answer it.
Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum.

Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 13:20 GMT
#277
I have to read the second half of your post but Alaric you are now officially my number one town read.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 14:45 GMT
#284
On October 11 2014 22:37 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 22:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
6ah I'd like you to answer your own question towards me before I answer it.
Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum.

Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before.


I think you did it just for the sake of starting the game which is fine. I just wanted your opinion before I generally just wrote off anything else said. Vanilla Town claim is awkward because it doesn't really further the game at all and yet here we are 3 pages later still talking about it.

I don't like the call for protection that early. It makes me think you scummy because why wouldn't scum want steal the protect for their selves?

Ghandi, Why are you a scum bag?

You mean here you are still talking about it. Nobody else really did much.

On October 11 2014 22:52 Requizen wrote:
I'm ready for it to get a bit morw aggro, but right now it's just Ghandhi and Wave fighting.

I vote we kill them both and be done with it.

lolwut
Show me where we've been fighting. At least you're playing a little now.

Alright good posts in the last little while.
I'll come clean a little---it was obvious to some of you but to others not so much---I don't have anything concrete on Jeff. Wanted to see if I could make him play the game a little essentially and see how he'd react. It might be a little early to give that up right now but I grow bored of it and would like to focus people's attention elsewhere. My vote on him stays though until he does play the game---as people have said he has done nothing but troll and be typical Jeff at this point. If he's scum and is not help[ing town then great. If he's town and is being useless, I don't have a massive problem ridding the town of chaff D1 (though it would probably be better served as a vig shot if his play is still egregious).

Soniv some questions for you, good buddy. You had no problem with my attack on Jeff at the start, but as time goes on you seem to take more and more issue with it? Why the change in opinion exactly?

As far as people's opinions on my claiming protection---plz. Maybe 6ah can be excused a little bit for attacking me on it here (and whoever else did? I forget) but you Soniv....I dunno man. Of course it doesn't make any sense at all to ask for protection from a realistic POV at the start of the game before anything has happened. But it serves two purposes: first, early WIFOM against the scumteam if our protection does (and probably should imo) at least consider it. Second, a show of confidence and bravado seems to be exactly what town needed to stir things up just a little bit. The best reaction to my opening post however goes to Alaric who saw through everything basically immediately---on it's own that doesn't necessarily prove him town or scum, just an insightful player, but in combination with the fact that he came up with the exact same points in his posts that Soniv and I came up with in pregame on TS about Req and others exhibits a townie mindset, and good critical thinking that I think almost everyone else in the game lacks so far.

People need to stop simply focusing on what I (and others) are posting but why? What is the motivation behind it? Is it scum or town, and why?

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 14:48 GMT
#285
Eh actually it was Alaric who mainly questioned my asking for protection as well. Bleh I guess the others that brought it up are sort of excused.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 14:51 GMT
#286
On October 11 2014 11:25 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm also town as fuck. Too bad I can't concentrate on this yet while I'm watching all this Arrow.

Now just to decide who is the guiltiest sounding mafia vet...

Oh actually you know what?
##Unvote
##Vote: AsmodeusXI

This is the scummiest post in the thread.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 15:05 GMT
#288
Feigning as if he's contributing or about to then not following up, and making excuses for activity all in a very short two liner.
Why bother posting that at all if you don't feel guilty about lack of presence in the thread thus far?

It's a show that serves absolutely no town-aligned purpose.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 15:12 GMT
#290
I've caught scum on single posts before. It's completely doable.
I still think Jeff has a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but Asmo's right now is higher.

The problem I have with you is you do a lot of sitting back and watching/waiting and you are very reserved in terms of your stance taking. You take your time to answer a lot of other people's questions, and ask some of your own, great. But where is your direction? You have none that I can see, and I don't like it. You're aimlessly floating wherever the thread goes.

I think I had a townread on you earlier but that has pretty much dissipated.

+ Show Spoiler +
Meta says this is perhaps how you play, but it doesn't look great and meta is shit anyway.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 15:20 GMT
#291
Lot of people reading this thread, but very few posting in it. Curious.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 15:31 GMT
#295
On October 12 2014 00:22 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I also gotta read more closely to find the scummers. I'm mostly posting on the principle that a few crappy townie posts are better than scum lurking.

Content is better than crappy posts.

Meta says Tolkien is trolly but I've only seen one game of his so again, not going off of that. I truly don't have a problem with Tolkien right now and don't find him scummy---I imagine he'll return to actually post something of substance soon.

I don't remember you being aggressive or confident in either of the games you listed, and it's weird that you would defend yourself with meta by saying that you're playing differently from your town games. As for your direction the post on Alzadar is all well and good, but telling somebody to contribute, and on top of that issuing an ultimatum for all to see with no balls behind the post, and giving him plenty of wiggle room by describing exactly how he must appease you---what does that accomplish exactly?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 17:12 GMT
#305
owb is a lurker. If he doesn't post, then someone can vig him or he'll be modkilled.

Random thoughts:

Pretty sure Req has no idea at all how to play or what he's doing. I know i said I wouldn't do this, but it just doesn't seem likely to me that he's scum actively bluefishing in the thread. His scumteam would not be happy with that (though obviously if the scumteam is equally newbie it doesn't mean much).

Mordek you've had almost a day and a fair number of pages of thread. Surely you can give us a little more than that. Thoughts on Soniv? Alzadar? What do you think of my vote on Asmo?

And for that matter is anyone else in this game actually going to drop a vote at any point in time?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 17:13 GMT
#306
Tsk tsk Dandel.
I am disappoint.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2014 18:48 GMT
#317
This is maybe the lowest activity game I've ever played in thus far...not entirely surpriused but still.
So am I to understand then that
a) Tolkien as confirmed town you're not going to bother to play the game? Surely as confirmed town it is your duty to steer the town in the right direction so you can help us win, correct?
b) Jeff you just don't give any shits at all?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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