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Alaric, I think you're coming to the wrong conclusions re: me. We've both got pretty much the same scum reads, so we should be banded together for the town rather than anything else.
My schedule is always going to be ridiculous and erratic, and if that comes off as a scum read (especially since I get more chances to click refresh than type), I guess that sucks for me and the town. I've clearly made some bad posts just to prove I'm not fully lurking (that I'm now regretting), so if that gets my lynched too, once again, that'll suck for me and the town. I can't do much about that other than apologize, but this'll be my last noob whine to get that out of the way as well.
As far as following the vets go, my typical reactions when learning a game are to watch and learn. That's why I'm picking up a lot (perhaps too obviously) from Wave and soniv. To be more specific, I like soniv's playstyle: cool-headed D1, asking questions, being skeptical. The fact that we've come to similar conclusions (as you have) should be indicative that we lean town, just like you. With Wave, I'm still a bit wary of him overall, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's town too and the fact that he's got Alz and MB on his shitlist helps that even more.
But on a separate note, are we just ignoring ketchup's sudden vote for soniv? I want to know more about that ketchup.
Also, part of my vote on Alz is his lack of self-defense, which is partially explained by the holiday. Since I have the same problem with erratic post schedules, my opinions on him have loosened a bit, but not enough to change my vote yet.
Also Wave, what DIDN'T you like about my explanation post? I thought I provided decent reasoning for my lists, but you only responded to a bit about MB. Plus, we really haven't heard your opinions on the whole cast either, just Jeff/Alz/MB/me/Soniv for the most part (forgive me if I missed something in scanning your long filter).
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So be it.
ketchup, why soniv? Don't be shy now.
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On October 12 2014 11:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2014 10:04 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 09:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 09:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's a long weekend in Canada. I'd give coma the benefit of the doubt.
OWB is a known lurker and even when pressured doesn't really perform (from what I remember from the Lol mafia game). Lynching him is essentially a dice roll.
Who else that is a lurker would you want to lynch? That is true, but if I were to ask, "who would likely contribute as a town player to find and lynch scum", would OWB be one of them? I'd say no. I do hate policy lynches, but if there's no one else... As for Coma, I'm waiting to see if he'll just get modkilled D1. I know I promised I wouldn't, but for someone who hates policy lynches: On October 12 2014 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is maybe the lowest activity game I've ever played in thus far...not entirely surpriused but still.
So am I to understand then that
a) Tolkien as confirmed town you're not going to bother to play the game? Surely as confirmed town it is your duty to steer the town in the right direction so you can help us win, correct?
b) Jeff you just don't give any shits at all? Maybe. Perhaps. Eventually. I SUPPOSE I could. I'll just say we should policy lynch lurkers. It always works in newbie games, and this is in effect a newbie game SO... + Show Spoiler +Also Wave, i have 5 games you can read. :D You could look through it for any clues, as I do have a game as scum in there + Show Spoiler +which I would've won if it weren't for that next-to-last day cop claim and check, despite having my buddy lynched D1 lel On October 12 2014 04:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote:
I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know.
As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me. pls, this is like a play I would make in live mafia. d1 policy lynch inc Note I was always town whenever I get policy-lynched in live. On October 12 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
just policy lynch lurkers
always necessary in newbie games On October 12 2014 08:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
neither would I but would you rather have them lurk lurk lurk until D3 or LYLO? So um...we have just under 24h to go and you're convinced we have no other options. And you 'hate' policy lynches. Hmm. I'd much prefer it if we didn't policy lynch, but it's usually a necessity in newbie games. Do you have an actual scumread then, or are you just gonna continue saying "I hate policy lynches, but we probably should do one" over and over? Survey says: Yes.
Would you care to elaborate?
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Yeah, I really want MB to come back to hear his defense (if there is any).
Also, LT, you're jumping on Req's case for noob stuff, even to the extent of a policy lynch on him as if he were lurker scum, but 6ah and I have done similarly bad noob BS. Why Req more than anyone else?
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Fair points. I don't like your trolly crap, but I'm pretty sure you're town.
MB get back here and give me a reason not to kill you.
In fact.
##Unvote
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I'm more on this train than Alz at this point.
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@Alaric, I'm on MB's ass because I don't like posts lacking content, especially D1. I realize that D1 is a time of extremely little information, but there's been enough to chat about in this thread at this point that he should have an opinion on something. So far I feel I've gotten the least direction or justification from MB on anything. Even just a vote in a direction (with a reason) would help (even if it's just a no-lynch, crappy as that would be... owb), but when you're posting sans content (especially when it's long and windy like MB's was), it just makes me think you're trying to sow dissension among the loyal townie ranks.
For example...
On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote:
Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically.
I don't get THIS at all. I understand the problems with D1 and all the accusations flying around. What I don't understand is what is meant by "letting it happen automatically." If we're not making cases and trying to prove something, what happens "automatically" is a shot in the dark (which statistically ends in scum's favor) or a no-lynch (which automatically ends in scum's favor). I don't like either option. If there are people trying to cause chaos/work against the town, I wanna hear who they are.
As far as my reads on who they are, I'm still suspect on Tolk, but I'm not going to go on that just because the bandwagon is turning against him. I think Tolkien's thoughts made sense from his big post, so unless anyone has any further reasoning they haven't explained (Wave), then I see no reason to lynch him yet. My suspicions have risen vs. Req since he started playing for real, but that's at least partially just because he disagrees with me and that doesn't mean he's not town (much like you, Alaric). I think that Coma is dangerous lurker scum as well, perhaps more dangerous than Alz and this point since he's silently throwing votes out. On the other hand, I feel like ketchup's thoughts have been all over the place, which I don't like per se, but I can't fault him for suspecting Wave, since I'm not 100% on him either. I go back and forth on soniv and Wave and I think that only time will give me a better read on them. That being said, I don't approve of Wave's LT vote entirely.
tl;dr - I'm sticking with MB for now because I've got net 0 info from him EVEN though he's put effort into this. If I can't get him lynched, then it'll have to be Coma because he's ALSO put in net 0, but a percentage of that feels like lack of effort, which is shitty but not 100% scummy.
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You trying to pressure me LT or do you have a reason for switching to me?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt because I feel like you lean town, but I'd be happy to switch my vote to you since I don't REALLY know where you stand. Voting to lynch me makes me less convinced of your towniness because, unlike Alaric, I don't think your posting indicates a townie spot super well.
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Oh well, there's that answer. :/
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I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum?
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On October 13 2014 06:15 Requizen wrote:
##unvote
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Now use your words please.
Why the sudden change of heart?
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On October 13 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum? Haha what say you now Alaric
lol it's not like my opinion has changed, just that I'm willing to hear his pleas. Anything less and the scummy scum dies. Coma is next on MY chopping block barring strong evidence against someone after N1 or his genuine participation in the thread gorrammit.
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On October 13 2014 06:31 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:On October 13 2014 06:15 Requizen wrote:
##unvote
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Now use your words please. Why the sudden change of heart? Like I said, both are on my scum list. But Wave is much more manipulative and that worries me. He also has very strong biases at this point in my opinion, stronger than I'm comfortable with given the lack of info.
Okay, fine. I'm not entirely settled on Wave either, but no matter what I just want to hear opinions with votes. No reasoning (even if it's not always good reasoning) leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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On October 13 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ugh. This is such scum-centric votespread, idek.
Definitely dont like the MB wagon right now. And I'm clearly town. So.
Hm. Yeah I won't bother explaining why because I'm just going to be accused of manipulating people. I get the feeling we won't be lynching scum today....you may be right with your newbie-game lurker attitude.
I want to hear about this opinion sometime if you can ever feel like people won't lynch you for it alone.
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On October 13 2014 06:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ugh. This is such scum-centric votespread, idek.
Definitely dont like the MB wagon right now. And I'm clearly town. So.
Hm. Yeah I won't bother explaining why because I'm just going to be accused of manipulating people. I get the feeling we won't be lynching scum today....you may be right with your newbie-game lurker attitude. Fine, i will. The bandwagons are too small. With 2-3 mafia (prob 3), our unconsolidated bandwagons are probably not scum. Everyone being fine with a MoonBear lynch is another red flag and im going to counterpush now. Off. Now.
Okay, so basically you'd rather RNG lynch than lynch MB?
Honest question.
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If we're talking lurkers to lynch, Coma all the way for me.
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This sucks.
I don't want to lynch a townie, but in lieu of a better argument for WHO to lynch (even if that argument is in the form of an RNG function... though I'm not in favor of that on principle) I gotta stick to my guns.
MB's showed no evidence he's town and provided no good reasoning or opinions for anyone else. What he has done is post a bunch of weird, unclear stuff. That smells like scum.
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Fuck this anti-Jeff line of thought is getting compelling. :/
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Okay, I've heard MB's reasoning on why not to kill him. I'm not super satisfied with it, but there are other things to worry about atm as far as bad/sparse posting goes. And Req's right... MB does have a sparse posting schedule in general. Some people don't have that excuse.
How about you Jeff?
You've been avoiding way too long. Pressure's on now.
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If this is the line we need to take to get some answers, I'll jump on the bandwagon.
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On October 13 2014 07:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 13 2014 07:26 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 07:04 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.
So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.
I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did? I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier. No I meant this. On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue. Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that? If I were scum I would be bussing him so so hard to win town cred as he's clearly useless as a mafia partner and/or not troll D1. Lol. Ugh let's not consider bussing please. There are already so many people in here who don't understand trends and the way things work. (That being said I'd bus like absolute fucking crazy too lol 'cause I always do) I may be reconsidering an Asmo lynch. He's just so apologetic and hanging on to the coattails of others....
Maybe so, but this D1 is confusing as fuck and I don't have much else to go on.
Also, I don't like being a jerk, even in Mafia, so there's the apologizing.
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