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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 11 2014 18:54 GMT
#2599
Ok thoughts on KSC
On October 08 2014 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright I have work early tomorrow so going to give my reads in brief form as they stand and post my vote.

Town

Grak - happy entry to the thread, gave insightful comments on BH, was paying close attention to obi enough to catch him in a "slip"

Storr - Seemed town early with his lian pressure, seems very focused on him, excellent post damning lian which I pretty much 100% agreed with.

Ala - I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging at oats, had a null on obi at a time when that was correct . Early town read but that is how my D1 works.

Dam - Seems to be like his D1 last game when he was town, could be more active though

BH - RNG was dumb but it worked out and mentioning how OO responded to it felt towny, Grak thinks he is town.

BS - Liked the early Bats trap

Oats - seemed genuinely frustrated with bats in a town way

Obi - good entry and asked good questions to formulate reads, seemed genuinely pissed off with HF attacking him.
Not happy with his reads of grak, HF and hope but I think he is just pissed off with grak and HF so OMGUS


Null

Hope - Didn't like his early play but seemed to have a good early read of lian.

HF - Think some of my town called him town, don't like that he has pushed on people I called town. Could be eager beaver, misguided town. Could be scum

Scum

OO - got caught with the RNG, awkward posted and fucked off

Lian - everyone is null, wanted to lynch dama/storr over OO.

Palmar - inactive, lazy, think his reads are false.


Day1 you seemed to feel Hopeless was pretty scummy and you gave a town read to obi because he questioned dam/lian

On October 08 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright caught up with the thread, I thought OO would have put up more of a vote than that.

First thing I am changing Palmar to town for now.
To me everyone who voted on obi is town, I don't think mafia had any chance of getting a counter wagon started so it made more sense to just stick on OO and try and gain credibility.

I thought Obi was scummy around the voting stage, he left his weird vote on HF, yeh we get it you are annoyed with him but like that amount of omgus is just bad for town.
He then tried to get something going on palmar but was then instantly like "oh only joking, lol lol"
Also seemed depressed after we lynched mafia but that may have been because it turns out HF is vig.

I know where I want to focus tomorrow but I think I will leave that till the day phase begins.

Your reasoning here doesn't make much sense to me and doesn't really seem good enough to warrant a full flip-flop on your reads. You argue mafia didn't have much of a chance to start a counter wagon so they would probably vote Obi for towncred, thus you town read me/Palmar/Batsnacks for being on a counter wagon.
However, in your mind Obi also tried to start a counter wagon on Palmar rather than just sit back and say nothing but that makes him scummy?
Leaving a vote on HF was understandable in your earlier read of Obi because he was annoyed at HF but now you think that Obi leaving his vote on HF is scummy.

It really feels like you were just taking advantage of the thread sentiment against obi started by Blazinghand rather than making your own read.

Throughout all of day 2 even though Hopeless was the main wagon for the day you didn't give an opinion on anything in his filter and just said that he's town because obi is pushing him, which I think was an incredibly scummy way to avoid addressing Hopeless. You even said you would be scum reading Hopeless if it wasn't for Obi pushing him. I would have expected some sort of attempt to interact with Hopeless.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 11 2014 20:08 GMT
#2601
Yeah but if you think mafia just wanted to get cred from lynching OO and that mafia had no chance of starting a counter-wagon why would you follow BH's reasoning during night one that Obi was mafia and he attempted to start a counter wagon on Palmar?

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 11 2014 20:14 GMT
#2603
Literally it was BH's backtrack comment that made you move Obi from town to scum during night one and I find it strange that you think no mafia would try to start a counter wagon during that lynch except for Obi who clearly did so and backtracked.

I don't care what reasons you added later in day 2 I'm questioning your read change night 1.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 11 2014 20:26 GMT
#2606
I don't think I'm ever going to agree with you on this.

What I'm reading is:
KSC: "Palmar/Grack/BS are town because mafia would know they wouldn't be able to save OO so they probably chose to bus him for town cred"

followed by

"Obi is scum he tried to save OO by pushing Palmar and then he backtracked"

Basically I see you calling us town because you feel scum weren't going to try to save OO while calling Obi scum for trying to save OO.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 01:11 GMT
#2622
I shot you
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 01:20 GMT
#2625
I probably would have chosen KSC but HF had dibs on him
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:13 GMT
#2629
Who would you prefer?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:28 GMT
#2634
I doubt HF fake claimed this time around there's no point in doing it tonight aside from coordinating with a cop
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:37 GMT
#2640
On October 12 2014 12:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I really won't complain a whole lot if you do tbh, I just want the three people voting me to die horrifically.

lol thats exactly what I've been thinking.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:42 GMT
#2642
ugh I don't actually think it's Lian but I've been doing much better sheeping than making my own reads lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:48 GMT
#2646
I blame town's success for making me miss vig shots. I would have totally shot OO night 1 if there had been shennannies on the first lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 03:59 GMT
#2647
A thought occurred. HF might have claimed RB just to save mafia KSC because he's the poisoner
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:01 GMT
#2649
lol talk about a bad night
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:04 GMT
#2651
Waiting for Storrzergs reaction
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:04 GMT
#2652
the 3 kills confirms me as town btw.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:07 GMT
#2654
no I'm out of bullets.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:07 GMT
#2655
I already killed all the townies lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:09 GMT
#2657
no I shot Oats n1 and mafia shot was missing. Hopeless claimed HF was poisoner at the end so it probably hit HF
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:30 GMT
#2660
Blazinghand/HF were the only realistic shots for mafia to make
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9853 Posts
October 12 2014 04:41 GMT
#2664
On October 12 2014 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 13:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Blazinghand/HF were the only realistic shots for mafia to make


I think you might be letting confirmation bias affect you. I just don't see the scum motivation in HF's posting at all.

I'm saying those are the people who could have realistically been shot by mafia night one.
Palmar was a non-presence and Storr did nothing but tunnel Lian and Lian wasn't mafia
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