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it's slightly frustrating/weird/scummy that whenever you ask a question to skydragon he seems to overlook half of it and only responds to select pieces. He never responded to me about whether his storr case was also fake or not.
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On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...?
I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with.
The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch.
I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question:
Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory?
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On September 26 2014 19:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 09:43 Holyflare wrote:I like batsnacks like 10x more now and I DO agree with his case. However, with the reaction skydragon started displaying right after i'm getting the unflipped association that sky might be mafia and gb town  Could you explain this? Sure. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 08:34 SkyDragon wrote:
I was actually in the middle of writing a long post about Storr (Hence why I went quiet) but refreshed the page and saw your diatribe aimed at both me and GB. GB is clearly forcing people to talk by claiming that they're suspicious and I think that it's a good strategy. It doesn't matter whether he backtracks because the point is to force people out of the shadows and defend themselves. You just don't get that. This post. Sky disregards the entirety of batsnacks long posts about GB in like 1 or 2 sentences even though the case was pretty good. The bolded just seemed super weird in context because it's like "hey can't you see this guy is blatantly doing this!" when in actual fact he isn't really and it just seemed he knew GB's motives better than anyone else in the game did.
Ok, I can see that. Not entirely sold on it though. This is also an example of a Skydragon contradiction btw. "GB is town because he is forcing people to talk by claiming they are suspicious."
Earlier he was not a fan of throwing names or suspicion around. I could search for the actual quotes but I think everyone remembers that. He is holding GB to a different standard for some reason.
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Also Holyflare, I am far more interested in you commenting on Hopeless.
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On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory?
Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end.
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Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that?
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On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end.
That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options.
I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact.
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On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that?
Short version
I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking.
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Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something?
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Like his filter is super short, takes like 10 mins reading it.
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On September 26 2014 19:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end. That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options. I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact.
Fair enough.
On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking.
Meeeh... do you really think his activity is that different from his scumgame? And I don't know if you can call what he did "sticking to his guns". I thought his play so far was rather defensive. I can give examples in a second. Again the strength of your read seems not in proportion with your reasoning.
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Ok, I will read Hopeless.
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On September 26 2014 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something?
because he's being useless and probably mafia
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On September 26 2014 20:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:57 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end. That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options. I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact. Fair enough. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking. Meeeh... do you really think his activity is that different from his scumgame? And I don't know if you can call what he did "sticking to his guns". I thought his play so far was rather defensive. I can give examples in a second. Again the strength of your read seems not in proportion with your reasoning.
Well the strength of my read is also because everyone wanted to lynch him, or I got the feeling that he was gaining too much steam as a candidate too fast. But that's terrible reasoning so don't tell anyone I used that.
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On September 26 2014 20:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something? because he's being useless and probably mafia
So we kill?
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On September 26 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:10 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something? because he's being useless and probably mafia So we kill?
could do ya
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Ok, I also don't get townvibes from Hopeless filter. I guess if GB is town Hopeless looks quite shady but I really have doubts about that.
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Re: GB
I was talking about this post. I just filterdove him and there were way less posts like this than I remembered somehow so there is that. But this seems so overly defensive to me I have a hard time seeing town GB post this.
On September 25 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK. I'm gone for now, see you all later. It can be shallow, but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking. Nothing is in the way of updating my reads the more people starts to talk. If you lynch me, you'll be lynching a townie for stupid reasons and you'll soon lose the game as much as you lost our last one
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i dunno man i just don't see mafia gb making those terrible starting cases and then believing they were good and sticking to them atm even if he is doing scummy things
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also agree with whoever said obi was likely town, he has a good level of thread knowledge/questioning for him
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