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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 26 2014 02:38 GMT
#521
Oh hey obi's here still. Obi do you have a read on Killing?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 26 2014 02:40 GMT
#522
Yeah, I'm leaning town on him at the moment.

I'm interested in the reasoning behind his reads because I never like it when people just drop lists out of nowhere, but I like the plan-laying he's doing thus far.
Retired.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 26 2014 02:40 GMT
#523
obi wtf is wishywashy about that? Here I'll reduce it to the basic idea:

- killing has scumreads within list post: town points

ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 26 2014 02:43 GMT
#524
On September 26 2014 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
obi wtf is wishywashy about that? Here I'll reduce it to the basic idea:

- killing has scumreads within list post: town points



Fair enough, Hope.
Retired.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 03:16 GMT
#525
killing about his list post.

tends to do this in video mafia, just listing a town circle. in video mafia, you don't have much time, can't always explain everything in as much detail as you would like.

Just pressure him to respond to the reads. He gave some detail, on a few, so i can't see why he would be hiding on the others.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 26 2014 04:30 GMT
#526
On September 26 2014 12:16 StorrZerg wrote:
killing about his list post.

tends to do this in video mafia, just listing a town circle. in video mafia, you don't have much time, can't always explain everything in as much detail as you would like.

Just pressure him to respond to the reads. He gave some detail, on a few, so i can't see why he would be hiding on the others.


Does he do this as either alignment or one specifically?
Retired.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 26 2014 06:33 GMT
#527
So, I am pretty sure storr is town. Very aggressive, inquisitive and leadery. Totally different than last game - I like it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 26 2014 06:34 GMT
#528
Sky at least puts in a good amount of effort now but if you read his posts there are so many contradictions/things that don't make sense. Still don't like him.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 26 2014 06:35 GMT
#529
Reads post in the morning.
Retired.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 26 2014 06:36 GMT
#530
GB seems afraid/really defensive - might be scum. Reminds me of the scum qt from Fanfic where he was really really afraid I would vig him.

I will elaborate on those reads when I have time in a few hours. Would probably still lynch Sky.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 26 2014 06:38 GMT
#531
On September 26 2014 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
I like batsnacks like 10x more now and I DO agree with his case. However, with the reaction skydragon started displaying right after i'm getting the unflipped association that sky might be mafia and gb town

Could you explain this?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:32 GMT
#532
Filters time:

On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.


That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here.

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.

I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)


Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?

Lol...

HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.


Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.

That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.


Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia?

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.



This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is.

I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game.

Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today.

I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list.


Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:36 GMT
#533
I'm not gonna explain at length, but I think Obi might be town this game. It's not a strong read, but in general his entire tone felt a bit townie.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:38 GMT
#534
For the record, despite my earlier concerns, Glowingbear is the towniest town in town. Never lynch.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:43 GMT
#535
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:48 GMT
#536
Regarding Skydragon, I want to clear up my read on him, and why I'm rescinding it and going to read his filter with no alignment assumption in mind:

When he made this post:

On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote:
I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vanillagers"?


I read it and thought "That's cute, the newbie actually thinks that the random votes mean anything at all!". That also mean he's genuine when he is worried about the voting train, and that feels like a townie response. However, if he is actually an experienced player then I'd actually rather kill him for it.

But I'll have to wait until I read his filter to make a judgement. If there's anything mafia has taught me, it's the validity of the phrase: "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:49 GMT
#537
Taking a break now, I'll do more filters later if I have time.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 09:50 GMT
#538
I'll refresh the page occasionally for questions, but please don't ask me about things I haven't read well.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 10:30 GMT
#539
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 10:37 GMT
#540
On September 26 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
I like batsnacks like 10x more now and I DO agree with his case. However, with the reaction skydragon started displaying right after i'm getting the unflipped association that sky might be mafia and gb town

Could you explain this?


Sure.

On September 26 2014 08:34 SkyDragon wrote:
I was actually in the middle of writing a long post about Storr (Hence why I went quiet) but refreshed the page and saw your diatribe aimed at both me and GB. GB is clearly forcing people to talk by claiming that they're suspicious and I think that it's a good strategy. It doesn't matter whether he backtracks because the point is to force people out of the shadows and defend themselves. You just don't get that.



This post. Sky disregards the entirety of batsnacks long posts about GB in like 1 or 2 sentences even though the case was pretty good. The bolded just seemed super weird in context because it's like "hey can't you see this guy is blatantly doing this!" when in actual fact he isn't really and it just seemed he knew GB's motives better than anyone else in the game did.
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