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On October 03 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 23:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Seriously guys, just look at the votes, where have active towns been. ALWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE LYNCHES PUSHING.
LOOK at the people who are alive with outlying votes, who get on cases late. This game isn't that complicated of mafia pushing THAT FUCKING HARD day 2 to switch a lynch. I HAD FUCKING 0 reason to kill palmar as mafia. He was town reading me hard, and wanted to lynch haru.
I wanted to lynch VE hard today. Why would i fucking kill someone like this unless i was with ve............................ Like seriously use your heads guys, follow the logic its there i swear. If i'm mafia, i'm playing for the god damn win this day, i'm not killing HF in a million years cause i would be town reading him today, and pocketing him. I would have 100% killed the uncontrollable batsnacks who happens to be confirmed town.
And look here! He's afraid he's going to get lynched so what does he do? He IMMEDIATELY plants seeds of VEdoubt in the thread which I'm SURE come with instructions in the mafia chat to nurture surreptitiously after he flips mafia.
WHAT A LOD OF CRAP ROFL
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On October 03 2014 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 02:25 batsnacks wrote:On October 03 2014 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 03 2014 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
I'm a bad man... Why do I do stuff like that to people...
VE please, channel some of that energy towards FF or super. If you're town I think you'll like where it gets you. I've already told you. I'm voting for the scum we're lynching today. If I'm wrong I'm absolutely fine bearing the weight of this loss on my shoulders. But I'm not because Storrzerg is 100% mafia. If we lynch anyone else this cycle, it will be without my help, and therefor will be mafia influenced. I'm a bad man too. Let's find out who's badder shall we? You're playing with fire VE. All I want you to say is: FF: <alignment> Superbia: <alignment> Then you can go back to beating your dead horse. Why are you treating me like this? I have a GOOD read with GOOD reasoning. I've told you, I'll give you my reads of other players once I have ASSURANCE that Storrzerg is the lynch today. I'll even scale it back and say that that means AT LEAST the number of townies left in the game ON Storrzerg, NOT after he's been lynched. Compromise, see? Cooperation, see? I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm providing content in this game - I'm explaining my reasoning for reading Storrzerg as mafia. I AM reading other players, proof of that is me just finding Storrzerg's explanation of his bats nonsense WHILE FILTERING JAT. I'll admit that once I found it I got sidetracked into DUNKING on Storrzerg's reasoning, but I AM reading other players man.
Because your read isn't good. Every dead town (save for GB who was literally wrong about ALL his reads) and skydragon (who is a donkey, but he stopped pushing me) HAd me as town.
Killing I'm his #1 town.
Palmar I'm his #1 town
HolyFlare I'm in his town list when he dies. (correctly, i'm not in his mafia circle, hence why im either null or leaning town obviously for him)
Clearly in this game where all the major wagons have been ON town, lead by TOWN it makes sense for me to kill the people that are town reading me, so i can fight really hard to not die. Yeah totally makes sense.
Dead townies found my explanation of day 2, resonable in the sense that no mafia would be that fucking nuts, to make up some horse ass story to get someone lynched who had a mafia as his number #1 town read. It is absolutly just absurd.
ockham's razor the shit.
Your reasoning is bad. You think it is very likely 2 within me and obi. THAT IS TERRIBLE reasoning, since HF died. 100% no fucking way a team of "obi and i" kill HF and make the whole palmar lynch debacle a reason for us to be lynched. its just soooooo bad.
Given this case, if you just think 1 was on palmar. THen you have to know 2 ARE WITHIN SUPER FF JAT. AND YOU REFUSE TO LOOK AT THEM OR TALK ABOUT THEM TILL "i'm the confirmed" lynch. THIS IS NOT PRO TOWN PLAY.
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On October 03 2014 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's all based on a Sky scumflip. That's all based on his read of a player which is INCORRECT Storr. Holy ABSOLUTELY would have reevaluated today, ESPECIALLY with me replacing in and Sky flipping town. OBVIOUSLY Storr. He was MUSING about the idea because it was still based on the incorrect assumption that Sky is MAFIA.
Again, Holyflare might have considered you town briefly on D3, but with the extra information that Sky is town who knows what he might have thought next? We'll never know will we because HOLYFLARE IS DEAD.
Makes me look a hella lot more town, exactly why he looks hella town if sky flips. What fucking mafia team switches a for sure town lynch, to another town lynch last second. Ill tell you, they don't
HE WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER HARU TODAY, AND NOT ME. THE ONLY WAY HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING ME WOULD BE IF SKY FLIPPED MAFIA. because in that case "i saved sky by pushing palmar" same with "obi"
and people who stuck on sky would be more town.
The fact that you are trying to make it appear like we have "no idea" what holy was thinking is absurd.
He didn't have me in the mafia circle, ergo i was not on his radar as scum, ergo he wouldn't want to lynch me. Specially since we both wanted to lynch haru, we both pushed plamar as town.
Its simple, at the time, if i was mafia, Bats dies, i push haru with holy for the win. There was no indication that haru was going to be replaced. The fact that you are in the game doesn't mean anything. We don't know how he would react, and you absolutely can't justify you know how he would act right now.
If anything he 100% wouldn't be pushing me regardless.
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On October 03 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
That doesn't defeat my point that HF never defended you Storr. You say he defended you. That's a LIE.
I was never being attacked day 3. He didn't "defend" me. That is correct.
I was NOT in his mafia circle. I was not Mafia in his eyes when the day ended.
HF wanted to lynch Haru for inactivity. He literally says that several times - because Haru is the BIGGEST question mark because of the AFKing. It's right there in the second post Storr.
And the fishy stuff with GB, and the fact he wasn't on any wagons, and the fishy stuff about jat. it was absolutely not just "afk" aspect.
So what do you think his read of me would be this cycle Storr? With an active player actively trying to figure out the game, AGREEING with his initial feels on you, and given a Sky town-flip, HOW do you think HF would be reading VE this game? Answer carefully because I know Holyflare FAR better than you do. 
I have no idea what his read would be. Maybe you convince him not to push you. But he absolutely would be pushing on FF, jat, super, maybe obi today if you convinced him you are not the lynch. Or maybe he fights with you and calls you mafia and tries to get you lynched. I don't know how he would have reacted, since HE DIED WHEN YOU REPLACED IN. Your reasoning of "active player trying to figure the game out, applies to myself as well" SO by that reasoning HF would NOT be lynching me today.
Sky town flip, he reads HARU scum, ergo he has bias when you join the game as scum.
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On October 03 2014 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They all wanted to lynch me too and I'm town. Again, bad point.
My play is perfectly pro town. I'm lynching mafia.
no, you refuse to see logic. in why both obi and i can't be mafia.
You refuse to look into jat/ff/super.
Only 2 people wanted to really lynch haru yesterday. Or actively pushed haru.
Me, yes my "musings" was a case, it IS a case. and Holy who agreed with some of my points, GB and voting patterns in particular.
So things that VE is doing today that isn't pro town.
Logic regarding obi and storr cannot both be mafia, because HF died.
Thus, given that logic, only 1 can be mafia within those 2.
There for everyone in the group of "4 of ve, ff, super, jat" has to know at LEAST in their world 2 our of 3 are mafia.
Its likely only 1 town is among the 4, at most 2 towns.
Considering all this, every town Must be thinking about who is mafia in the group of 4. yet, with how many people who are Pushing on Myself, or Obi and disregarding the group of 4, helps reinforce that its likely neither obi and i are mafia.
(save for jat, which is why he might be town)
Thus why VE is avoiding reading anyone in the group of 4 scum. Because its in his best interest to lynch in the palmar group, rather than the people who "haven't been on wagons" who "are not really figuring out the game" who "are skating by"
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On October 03 2014 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Like I am pretty certain that there is at least one mafia between you and Obi and you are pushing this agenda of ignoring the 2 of you. Does not look good.
thats fine if you think 1 is mafia. Thats a 50% chance at hitting the right one if you flip a coin.
Deal is from your perspective, that means out of FF, Super, VE you have 2 mafia. So you should be defining 2! scum reads in that group, because THERE HAS to be 2 in that group, thats 66%.
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On October 03 2014 04:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
And that's ALL he's doing. Like, I'm bringing MY OWN points to the table, every time Storr is asked to do that he just says "Nope, give me your reads on X,Y,Z - obey because all the dead townies called me town."
I'm so done with this conversation. It's destroying the thread and accomplishing nothing. My accusation on you stands Storrzerg - your explanation for the whole bats/Joey thing doesn't make any sense. Your plan to clear yourself AND Obi based on switching to a TOWNIE at the end of the day is ludicrous and you're still trying to paint me as mafia when I'm clearly not.
I'll provide my reads on the other players before end of day. I intend to continue to try and get my lynch through based on the GOOD reasoning I've provided.
You think Obi and i could both be mafia. Which has very poor logic behind that, and is super far fetched.
So if you down grade to 1 mafia between us. thats 50%
as i said to jat. Its in your best interest to be lynching within Jat/ff/super since you are guaranteed 2 mafia in that group, 66%
hence why i can defend obi on principle that he ISN"T the lynch today, and NEITHER am i.
The only way Lynching either myself or obi is fine for today, from a "whole town standpoint" is if the majority think we are BOTH mafia,. That is NOT the case.
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See ve, you can't explain why I would be killing HF, because i have 0 motivation. Its clear as day on end of day 3 that HF was not going to be pushing me if Sky flipped town.
And NO ONE can reason why a team of obi + myself is even possible with the death of HF.
BOOM HEAD SHOT
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On October 03 2014 04:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 04:14 StorrZerg wrote:On October 03 2014 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Like I am pretty certain that there is at least one mafia between you and Obi and you are pushing this agenda of ignoring the 2 of you. Does not look good. thats fine if you think 1 is mafia. Thats a 50% chance at hitting the right one if you flip a coin. Deal is from your perspective, that means out of FF, Super, VE you have 2 mafia. So you should be defining 2! scum reads in that group, because THERE HAS to be 2 in that group, thats 66%. What part of AT LEAST ONE MAFIA do you not understand? No, there don't HAVE TO BE 2 mafia in that group. It is possible but far from certain. I am not mafia. I am pretty sure that VE is not mafia. That leaves FF and super who could be scum. That means there is AT LEAST one between you and Obi. But it is also possible that you are both scum.
No, impossible for us to both be scum. Prove how we could both be scum right now.
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On October 03 2014 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 04:20 StorrZerg wrote:
See ve, you can't explain why I would be killing HF, because i have 0 motivation. Its clear as day on end of day 3 that HF was not going to be pushing me if Sky flipped town.
And NO ONE can reason why a team of obi + myself is even possible with the death of HF.
BOOM HEAD SHOT Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 23:00 StorrZerg wrote:
mafia kill HF because bats is a dumb town.
Because mafia only need to have 3 votes while 1 town isn't voting. to win. Will holyflare be active end of day to win the game for town? YES will bats do fuck all? who knows. I think I found someone who can reason why LITERALLY ANYONE could and would kill HF.
But That reason doesn't work for Both a team of Obi + storr. Because HF is going to tunnel Haru this day.
A scum team of VE obi Storr, doesn't make sense. HF is left alive if that was the case 100% of the time.
A team of obi storr, can't kill HF. Because a team of obi + storr knows the palmar push is scum driven. Hence, they have to leave HF alive. and NEED to kill bats in that situation, or if there was a townie that would be better than bats, its NOT HF, it would HAVE to be one of the other 4. (which can't be haru, ff because of activity and not being that town in peoples eyes)
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On October 03 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know who could give us Holys updated reads on Storr and Obi? Holy. Can't though cause he dead. Send like reason enough to kill him if you are mafia to me. Shrug.
Doesn't matter, we can see what he was thinking EoD 3, as well as his thought process on me is pointed out a lot.
Its not like we don't know what his read on me was, its pretty clear he wasn't going to be pushing me today.
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On October 03 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 04:38 StorrZerg wrote:On October 03 2014 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:On October 03 2014 04:20 StorrZerg wrote:
See ve, you can't explain why I would be killing HF, because i have 0 motivation. Its clear as day on end of day 3 that HF was not going to be pushing me if Sky flipped town.
And NO ONE can reason why a team of obi + myself is even possible with the death of HF.
BOOM HEAD SHOT On October 02 2014 23:00 StorrZerg wrote:
mafia kill HF because bats is a dumb town.
Because mafia only need to have 3 votes while 1 town isn't voting. to win. Will holyflare be active end of day to win the game for town? YES will bats do fuck all? who knows. I think I found someone who can reason why LITERALLY ANYONE could and would kill HF. But That reason doesn't work for Both a team of Obi + storr. Because HF is going to tunnel Haru this day. You have no idea what HF would or wouldn't have done. As I said that reason works for every possible scumteam.
no shit, but its clear some assumptions can be made.
And some of these assumptions make VERY LOGICAL sense.
Holy would have gone after haru today. that is far from "guessing" at what he would do.
Holy would NOT be looking at me, looking at his conditionals for the sky lynch.
That is not hard to figure out.
Still you can remove all this. And still look that a scum team of obi, storr CANNOT kill HF. who is the only other "unknown" at the time who pushed palmar.
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So ve still refusing to
Give updates on super ff and jat?
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I'm glad you have done nothing to help today!
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On October 03 2014 05:07 StorrZerg wrote:
I'm glad you have done nothing to help today!
Directed at ff
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It's not a hard ve tunnel you are refusing to expand your reads.
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No I called you possibly town when you claimed you would be looking at ff, jat, super. Instead you tunnel back on me on your next post
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On October 03 2014 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm spending my time trying to lynch my lynch target instead. It's the pro-town thing to do.
No. Absolutely not.
Hell bats isn't on me. Thus game is auto loss from your standpoint. He is on you. YOU NEED TO BE GIVING READS AND STOP DODGING
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So jat you find ve play acceptable. Unwilling to give reads? Only tunneling?
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On October 03 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm perfectly willing to give my reads once my demands are met. They're perfectly acceptable - lynch the scum, I'll help you find the others.
Bullshit. Game being over on my death is not willing to give reads.
Scum get to hide with that mindset. A town doesn't need to hide like you are.
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