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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 11:08 GMT
#511
Also Rad, Superbia and Loaf i really want to know your opinion on everything that has happened since end of D1. Fecal I know you think im mafia but your case is mostly centered around me trying to tunnel on you or attach myself is what you called it. I don't know how to show you this isn't true. I first asked superbia about you because i have played with him before and you two seemed pretty chummy and your play was almost very similar so i was interested in what he had to say about you.

Ff whats your opinion on elvis? Why did you have superbia in your scum at the end of N1?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 11:29 GMT
#513
On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:
On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.

Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.



Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game.
Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.
Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's.

I like your rage though. +1 town point.


Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are.

Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town.

So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?


Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking.
Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum.


I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two.

Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head.

Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 12:27 GMT
#515
That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.

[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.][/quote]

You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.

I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 21:24 GMT
#553
On October 10 2014 21:58 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 21:27 Breshke wrote:
That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.

[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.]

You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.

I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.



Which leads to them knowing a lot about the setup.
If there is a Roleblocker, only 2 scenarios are possible:
Mafia Roleblocker Town Cop Town Doctor or
1-shot Bulletproof Townie Mafia Roleblocker Town Jailkeeper

So they would know that there cannot be a Tracker.

If they know there is no Roleblocker it can only be
Town Cop Mafia Goon Vanilla Townie or
Mafia Goon Town Doctor Town Tracker

So they would know that there cannot be a 1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

How does talking about this amount of information not make sense? It's very relevant how the situation would be after roleclaims, and if it might have advantages for the town.

Why do you refuse talking about all kinds of possible scenarios? It's not like there is an obvious answer to them.


To repeat:
Zen was not 100% scum for me at the time.
If someone isn't 100%, which since this is the game of mafia is extremely rare to happen, he must always be available to be seen as townie.
You don't want people to tunnel? Allow different perspectives.

This is the most interesting thing you have said on the topic:

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:
Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?


This is exaclty what I did with Zen, getting him outside my tunnel and viewing as a weird, possible town.
Now this for you is a reason to call me scum, even though you want people to do EXACTLY that with you.
Whaaaaaaaaat?



So elvis i can know some stuff for a fact. I know im town and i know Zen was town. that is two of abuses scumreads. How can you have a problem with me saying that?

You know why you don't talk about the possible setups? Because it is mafias reactions to these posts that help them find PRs. We arn't even in mylo yet so unless a PR has useful information i don't see any point in talking about them,

It is still weird to me that Zen was your second biggest scum read even bigger than loaf who you had made a case on and yet you considered him town trying to use vote logic. The thing is that the vote logic there would have also worked if he was my scum buddy so i still don't see why you would use the world where you assume he is town.

I still think it was a slip. Also there are other reasons i am calling you scum. Your entire first post on me was bullshit. two of its main points were the vote on Zen and that i was causing chaos. I then called you out on the vote on Zen and you said that that point wasnt important it was more the causing chaso. I then ask you to show the quotes you promised that show i am causing chaos. What you come back with is sub par andyou never point out exactly where i am misleading town or causing chaos. So once again i will ask you Elvis Where was i causing chaos? Also who do you think my "scum" partner is?

FF i find that you are reading Elvis town because he has done the most work worrying. Abuse has done so much more than him and doesn't dodge my questions when I ask him to explain parts of his read.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 21:31 GMT
#556
On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.


Shouldn't I then be town?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 21:44 GMT
#559
Yep sure am. What do you think he is? I am also worried about loaf being MIA.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 22:06 GMT
#561
In his first case on me he used a world assuming Zen was town to call me scum, still had Zen in his scumreads. Also said i was causing chaos and he would back it up with quotes. Had to ping him out to post quotes, posted quotes in no way was i causing chaos. still hasn't explained that so it looks like he was just grasping at straws.

I don't like summarizing it in this way because im probably forgetting stuff or w/e.

What is your opinion on how the Zen lynch went down?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 22:26 GMT
#563
The problem is if we lynch wrong today and loaf gets modkilled we just straight up lose barring more PR magic.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 22:27 GMT
#564
That should be "if loaf gets modkilled and is town'
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 23:20 GMT
#573
Sorry i thought loaf hadn't spoken during this day phase. I've actually put a lot of effort into this so this phase feels like its gone on forever ignore the modkill shit.

Also about the people watching stuff yeah sure i agree people watching can probably be scum. I also agree people in the thick of it can also probably be scum.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 23:23 GMT
#577
I don't know fecal as i have said before im not sure which between the four that voted are probably mafia. I don't like how if you take out the lurkier people (superbia rad loaf), you have the least content. It doesn't feel like you were truly reading me as scum when you were calling me scum. That being said I want to see more from rad and superbia before i make my mind up on them.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 11 2014 03:23 GMT
#591
FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.

Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?

Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 11 2014 05:41 GMT
#593
On October 11 2014 14:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote:
FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.

Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?

Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.

I do not have time to just give a read on everyone. I have to take a foodsafe course early in the morning tomorrow.

Give me a name and i will filter dive them.


Superbia
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 11 2014 22:04 GMT
#737
I'm here and basically caught up guys.

Superbia please don't call me town for me not being here at EoD, i said i probably wouldn't make it so i don't think you can take it as being alignment indicative.

I don't even know what to say about the Elvis flip, my reads are garbage.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 12 2014 00:50 GMT
#740
I'm happy to talk ff but it just feels like with the promises of knowledge bombs and the fact that roles will claim tomorrow that assessing everything right now isn't that useful.

That being it is looking more and more likely to me that the D1 vote may have contained two scum unless loaf is scum but like most people im finding it hard to read this guy. So i went and looked back to see why both mafia players would vote on a miss lynch D1 pairing themselves together. At the end of that vote superbia had two votes on him so it is very possible that if superbia is scum his partner jumped on the Zen wagon to ensure that a late swing in the votes wouldn't cause superbia to be lynched.

Fecal you were on the wagon fairly early and if you and superbia were scum together i still don't think that you would have started the game that way. Abuse and Rad both jumped on that wagon nearer the end of the day so they couldboth be options for superbias partner.

The problem here is i am still reading superbia as town hence why I am finding it hard to commit to reading people scum here knowing that tomorrow we will have so much more information.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 12 2014 05:46 GMT
#742
On October 12 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:
anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis?


What do you mean by this? Do you think they are both scum? One of them? Explain.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 12 2014 21:16 GMT
#752
To be honest i will be really suprised if it is a JK because that means we have a role blocker aswell and no one admitting to being role blocked yesterday is a stretch.

I also thought i had a PR read on another player but superbias stuff on loaf seems much more convincing so i guess ill just see how it plays out.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 12 2014 22:58 GMT
#758
On October 13 2014 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
Doesn't matter if rad helps me right now, or is actually mafia. I have my scumread and will ride this vote to the grave, I'm not sure about any of you anymore.

##vote loafery

If you are town this is terrible. You are just saying here you will never re evaluate. You arn't sure about anyone anymore but you have a scum read that you will ride to the grave i am not understanding you right now ff.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 05:15 GMT
#761
My tracks are

N1; Fecal Feast
N2; Abuse

Also ff i think you should realise that the lynch on superbia was probably to stop him from becoming confirmed town either by being vet or the jk/medic saying they used their power on him. I find it very interesting that you jump to the conclusion that it was done to frame you and bring it up that fast.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 06:06 GMT
#770
Sorry ff i just think it was weird you saying im so confused then being so sure on your read on loaf but i get what you mean more now after you explaining.

Loaf im fairly sure its a tracker because if it was a jail keeper/role blocker combo there would have been two people role blocked each night that STILL havn't claimed. Yes it's still possible because they didn't have to release this info but i find it highly doubtful.

On loaf, i don't get what he is doing this day.

On October 12 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:
anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis?


Coming from the person who didn't even vote trying to push scum on the people who made the decision and if were mafia would cause them to be in the spotlight. Also the fact that abuse could have changed his vote to me hammering me who he had actively called scum all day makes me look at him as more towny.

On October 13 2014 14:38 loafery wrote:
I find it odd u guys think there is a definite tracker


I don't know what you are doing loaf but you are still such a question mark for me and it is D3 and if you are the PR I would rather you claim sooner rather than later because at least then i would have something to read you off

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