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On August 22 2014 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Two things: First. If i am town and awake i do post. If i am mafia and awake i do post. If i am town and asleep i can't post. If i am mafia and asleep i can't post. I have never in my life intentionally lurked as mafia (i do that as town though for reasons) except for in Noir when Mocsta fakeclaimed medic as town to get the real medic lynched and i was having  in scum QT with Pandain.You should know that. Second. I have a tendency to not explain my reads fully because i want to encourage other people to think and find the reasons by themsleves. Because it helps me getting a better read on them and that's how i play - and have always played. You should know that. So yes, your first post had absolutely no thought behind it, even though you SHOULD know these things and pay more attention to what i say and try to figure out why i say the stuff i do. You didn't, and that makes me think you are mafia. Well granted I suspected you in Neat & Tidy (I was onevone) for not explaining your reads and just senselessly pushing me early in the game. And you were town, so clearly you could do this (not explain anything + push me with senseless conviction) as town. On the other hand, you did it in Titanic too as scum (not explaining much of anything and pushing me early on). In the Arnie game you explained your thoughts very clearly and that's what made me think you were town. I guess what I mean is that your reads being good + well reasoned makes you town, your reads being bad + unreasoned makes you null. | ||
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I just explained clearly why you not explaining stuff is null while you explaining stuff is towny based on your earlier games. That should answer your second question. The first question... Ugh. How "should" I know your behaviour's every aspect? Plus I think you're a bit more lurky as scum than town so I don't necessarily think that's even true. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Why? Wave was being all casual and shit but he said very little game relevant things. And there are things like this: Why even ask this? Wave is perfectly able to use the database I am pretty sure. Because increasing the amount of information in the thread is against scum's win condition. Let's assume that like WOS is very wrong on all of the players he mentioned throughout the game. That would make him more suspicious. Is it worth it to share that information with the thread in the hopes that someone like me would give him a bit of townie points for it? I don't really think so. Well maybe he was just lazy? I've done that plenty of times. It's usually easier for the player himself to go through his own games (subscribed threads list). | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:27 IAmRobik wrote: He got right down to business. He didn't make a retarded intro post that he would make as mafia. He didn't even bother putting a smile in it. He also did the rayn town thing where he said a read and then asked someone specific to explain it for him. When rayn is mafia, I feel like he forces reads onto people, meaning that he wants people to see what he is seeing so he yells at people about why someone is scum whereas when he's town he lets people make conclusions and then reads them based off of whether their conclusion is logical. I guess we'll see where the thing with hapa goes. I've been notoriously bad at reading rayn these past 2 games though, so my word on his aligned shouldn't hold the weight it used too. Lately I've been a bit more reticent about giving out strong reads because I haven't been at the top of my game, but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's in my blood This isn't really true though because in Titanic he (as scum) didn't explain much and started aggro on me immediately just like here. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:18 justanothertownie wrote: I have trouble buying that you really believe what you are saying here. Feel free not to buy it. That isn't why he got +4 points btw, just my initial impression of him was a bit towny from that post, like +1 points. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:23 KelsierSC wrote: I like Just as town, seems to share the same reads as me and I think he has pointed out flaws with Xatalos's post which I agreed with. Yamato seems town so far, I like the way he is posting it seems genuine and relaxed, he shared the read as me on WoS but wasn't totally leaping on a bw. Rayn feels town to me, his interaction with yamato felt town and his aggression with regards to Xatalos was town. I don't like Xatalos so far. Firstly his initial ranking system feels weird to me and doesn't line up with my reads. Like he said Wos was responding casual/towny and being natural..if that is what you call spamming gifs and shit posts then ok I dont read that as town at all. Secondly his read on dama being mafia and then voting, I mean dama isn't my top town but he has still played in a town oritentated way. I think there are more important people to look at. I also don't like his read on rayn, like he gets -1 point because he didn't post whilst he was asleep like how does this system work where WoS gets 4 points but rayn is on -1 for not being awake. Xatalos I want to ask you, what do you think of the line of questioning that WoS went with. Specifically his asking everyone to give a scum, and asking GB to give a yamato read The Damdred vote was just some slight gut feeling. It's plurality so it's not like it matters too much if I switch around votes throughout the day. I thought rayn was awake based on his post just before the deadline where he said he'll stay up for the deadline. Not to mention that I didn't like his starting posts that much either. Reminds me too much of Titanic I guess. I'm phone posting now so a bit hard to go through WOS filter, but I just didn't feel any malicious intent with WOS. He was basically hanging around in the thread and discussing naturally with anyone. As scum it's kind of a natural instinct to hide away from the thread when it's not necessary to discuss something. WOS just felt like he enjoyed chatting in the thread as opposed to being afraid. What's so bad about asking for scumreads etc? I think it's a pretty normal topic to talk about? | ||
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Can you link a scumgame where WOS is being all casual and active in thread? I'll look when I get home. I was just referring to the awake thing because someone asked/talked to me about it. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:57 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? To me it looked like you called him scum for that. Wave was scum in the championship game that finished recently if you want to take a look. The scum qt is also worth a skim in that regard. Oh you meant my original note post. Well I didn't call him scum for it just a bit concerned about him. I'll look. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:29 IAmRobik wrote: It was most certainly forced. You have this weird unfounded hardon for GB as town 2 seconds into the game and it's completely unfounded and unwarranted. I don't even care about the WOs read as much as the GB one. Pretty sure your saying the GB thing because you know he's town and the only way you know that is if you're mafia It's just that I recently saw scum GB and it's not like this. Specifically his posts earlier. He was being very constructive and constantly participating in the discussion. That's what I think atm. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:30 GlowingBear wrote: A summary if what's being happening, of course. Xatalos, why are you repeating what people are saying? You mean the forced thing? Just wanted to point out that your post wasn't forced at all compared to your Arnie posts. Wasn't repeating. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:38 justanothertownie wrote: You repeated that it was useless. You also kinda repeated rayn when you said there has to be scum in the people who hadn't posted. I guess so. And? | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:47 GlowingBear wrote: Like when you already give high points to your mafia partner before writing things about players? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far. I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now. Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to? I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange. You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. | ||
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It's true though. Titanic (scum): unhelpful and aggressive Neat & Tidy (town): unhelpful and aggressive Arnie (town): very helpful and constructive | ||
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