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On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote: At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. Once again, I don't see how you can pick and choose like that. I am also pushing VA. Why is it scummy for them to do so and not for me to? Why is it just because they are voting for someone that immediately it is a bad lynch? | ||
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On August 26 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote: That claim sucks. He says he wasted his roleblock and nullifies his cop heck and track because mafia probably have a roleblocker. Tbh I think it's impossible that they don't have it. Nothing is ok on that claim. I'll lynch him without second thoughts and if he flips blue I will blame him for bad play. By the way ##Vote: VayneAuthority You're not a smurf, right? 'Cause I am consistently impressed with your play and attitude----it meshes really well somehow with people who have been playing here for years. Yamato just because you feel like being ballsy doesn't mean hapa is necessarily the right lynch. | ||
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How are we not discussing a second wagon? Onegu has been talked about, Hapa has been talked about to death, hell even Xat has been talked about. I really don't get the complaining, first from turtle now from you. What would you rather we be doing? | ||
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I hate that. Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim? | ||
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On August 26 2014 12:32 Damdred wrote: Ok, In three posts I have said what I would rather do in two of them I was more sarcastic then was necessary granted. These are the things that I think we should spend some time with over the next 20 hours or so of gameplay. 1) We should look at the people who are in direct opposition of the VA lynch, you yourself Wave suggested this (not sure if you were being joking or not) but it is an excellent idea. If we are so sure that VA is scum then it is a good idea to see who opposes the idea of a VA lynch. 2) We need real answers from Hap about some of the things mentioned in the thread prior to his reappearance and subsequent disappearance in the thread. As far as I can tell (corrections are welcome) hapa laughed all of the suspicion off or said he was rusty. Once hap pushed the VA claim again the pressure on him lessened to answer anything and the thread went back to talking about the claim and Hap subsequently left. 3) Talking about Oneg must happen at some point an indepth talk not just throw away votes or a lesser wagon like he is now. There are a myriad of reasons that he is scummy at this point in the game. He came into the thread admitted he didn't read much but filter died Rayn and said he was an expert at Rayn reading said he was scummy in a horrible case peace'd out and he has been allowed to lurk since then for what 72 hours? That is unacceptable especially since he is admittedly not reading the thread at this point. If you compare his scum games to his town games, which I have started to do this looks a lot closer to what he was doing in N&T rather than some games he replaced in or was town in previously. These are what I would be happy to talk about for the next 20 hours or so, and yes I understand that talking bout point one would include myself. And this post was the most annoying to get through my phone died and then froze as i was posting twice but i got it through yay On August 26 2014 07:40 WaveofShadow wrote: And this is what I've been saying for ages. It actually might make sense to look at the people who think it's a good idea.... 1) No, if you'd read I was saying it would be a good idea to look at those who think it's a good idea to counterclaim even though we're already lynching VA. Were you one of those, Damdred? 2) Hapa answered the questions as well as I believe he is going to answer them. I'm sort of unsure as to how you can further pressure him right now without actually garnering a leading wagon on him, which in all likelihood will not happen. I in no way bought any of his answers and still believe him to be the most likely SK candidate, but I am not as sure about Hapa not being town as i am about VA not being town. I have stated this already. I lynch VA a lot. I know him pretty damn well. See You Only Shoot Once mafia if you'd like an example. 3) What kind of in-depth talk can you have about a guy who is going to be fucking modkilled for not posting/voting and has barely a page of filter to his name? If you want to talk, go ahead and talk; nobody is stopping you from doing so. But much like yamato earlier in the game, all I see is bitching and complaining about the state of things without any effort to change them. I'll start you off---Onegu has lurked/fucked off in both town and scum games, both of which he has many. He also may very well have a legitimate reason for fucking off, as he has quite a tumultuous family life. | ||
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On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote: Oh I was writing and my battery died ![]() I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills. Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however. | ||
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And if we choose not to lynch VA, is it then a good idea for blues to claim? | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote: I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now. And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then Don't go all emo on me. If you think there's something to discuss, go ahead and say something. On August 26 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote: Pretty balanced considering scum has 2 kill points each night and masons are completely powerless to catch mafia. Regarding you second question: not good to claim blue. You seem to like this idea. Why? Hapa is my second target. Btw, hapa, what do you think of lynching VA? If you already answered that, could you ease answer again? I'm going to sleep now. 'Scum' doesn't have 2 KP but I've played games on this forum with SK and I don't think I've ever seen a combination this strong. I would expect JK/some kind of cop or vig/mason. I seem to like this idea because a lot of people are bluefishing at a time where it's not necessary, and blatantly so. Damdred, Hapa and yamato are all doing it I believe. I actually don't mind yamato's answers on the subject as he seemed pretty damn confident when I bothered him. Damdred is just doing his usual thing of sheeping along with the idea of 'hey bad we shouldn't lynch uncced blue' and I forget what hapa said atm. | ||
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Mucho interestingo. | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. LOL It's hilarious and true Well the Oats part. You haven't fucked up nearly as often as he has and I know you're a very capable scum player who doesn't just forget to do shit. | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafia this game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch. I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game) Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless. | ||
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GB what the fuck are you doing? It's sad when Xat is actually the one making the most sense in thread. Traps are fucking stupid because they never set out to do what they're supposed to. On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you. Considering you're arguing with the king of confirmation bias in thread right now, why would you not consider that neither your 1) or 2) are right? You're ruling out a whole bunch of mafia activity possibilities when YOU YOURSELF said: E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. I already brought up this example but in Heavyweights we killed a towny N1 who was COMPLETELY WRONG on ALL THREE of his scumreads at the time and we came out ahead. Trying to base NK speculation solely on people's reads is simply bad. KSC has the right of it here, and very obviously so. I get you refuting his post that you analyzed, but how in the hell does that post make him scum exactly, GB? I'm with Xat on this in that he has spent way too much effort and stuck to his horrible heuristics too hard after being constantly scrutinized for them to be scum. Scum would be correcting his play to blend in more than this. Oh and btw Xat: On August 26 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote: I know for sure that I'd be sheeping KSC's views all game as scum. Such an easy ally to gain just by sheeping him. On August 26 2014 20:31 Xatalos wrote: This makes me worry about WOS/Damdred a bit but they'll be another day's worry regardless... This is particularly silly considering I have been the one to push VA for the majority of the day, and have been in various arguments with KSC throughout. How the hell could you think I am trying to 'sheep' KSC, and more importantly, why in the hell of all people, as scum, would I sheep HIM? KSC is right and the lynch WILL be between VA and Onegu, and nobody else. Vote accordingly. | ||
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On August 27 2014 01:44 Damdred wrote: I think you are taking that one quote out of context a bit Wave, he was making fun of KSC always town reading people who agree with his reads. Also i'm going to be out for a bit but i'll finish up reading in a bit. ##Vote Onegu I've read most of his town and mafia games, it just feels more mafia than town but there is always wild swings in his gameplay either way. but feels more like the mafia version. What? That's not what it looked like to me. Especially since you guys all of a sudden seem to be suspicious of me again for whatever reason. I'd recommend being careful if we decide to vote Onegu, btw. If he does get modkilled it comes down to 'do we want to play it safe' or not. We could in theory hit two scum (or SK) today if Onegu is modkilled. For those people still doubting VA, please reread this post On August 26 2014 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game) Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless. Note (especially you, GB) that VA while claiming early which is supposedly supposed to help town get it out of the way early as he said in that old game actually put forth effort to do things in that game after his terrible claim. Not so here. Also important to note that VA SHOULD KNOW based on that old game that no way in hell was anybody ever going to 'get it out of the way so we can scumhunt.' It's fucked with town most of the day and he needs to burn for it. As I've already said today, I will be voting one of VA/Onegu/maybe Hapa---who, by the way, has done absolutely dick today. I can see no reason to vote what I would call 'secondary targets' (ie Xat/KSC/Damdred if it comes down to it, which it won't) before any of the former. | ||
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