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Alright so before heading off to bed I am going to give where I am at.
I looked at the claim again. I already mentioned I did not like the way VA played D1 he was pretty lurky and just left his vote on dama but he could have been PR trying to hide.
With the claim itself..
I can't see any reason for scum VA to claim there. I think scum VA just gives some towny reads and tries to give a town impression and he could easily put the lynch elsewhere.
The action, if he is cop, was so wrong that maybe he could be town. I think a mafia fake claim just says "i checked rayn, he had suspicion on him for lots of d1 and he wasn't around for votes" perfectly reasonable.
Like I said, I can't see a reason for VA to fake there which makes me feel the claim is real.
Furthermore, he is an Un CC PR. No way am i voting into that like are you fucking real.
A final point is I don't like some of the people pushing this VA vote. I will explain that now.
I analysed the rayn NK, who benefits? well someone who reads rayn as town, and also said they think rayn is town. when I look through all the people who did this it makes me look at Hapa in a different way. He came out with his rayn is mafia post and possibly he did this to help him read rayn, he then backed off and started calling rayn town. I don't like his town read on Xat and some of my top town have called Hap SK. I need to look at Hap again properly but I don't like him anymore.
So two people Xat and Hapa have voted on SK. I think Xat is scum and Hapa could be SK. I really don't like voting on someone that these two vote on.
I said I would vote on Xat, Onegu or VA.
I don't want vote on VA anymore I think he is just an...unorthodox JoaT
I think Xat is scum I would happily vote on him. I have tried to convince town how scummy this guy is and you either agree with me or not. The only way I switch off this guy is to stop a ML by switching onto Onegu.
don't know what Onegu is doing, he has said nothing, wasn't around for votes. I would lynch this guy aswell.
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EDIT - "two people Xat and Hapa have voted on VA"
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On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly?
At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch
But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles.
Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read.
read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum.
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sorry for mistakes in format , posting from phone in bed
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On August 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. Once again, I don't see how you can pick and choose like that. I am also pushing VA. Why is it scummy for them to do so and not for me to? Why is it just because they are voting for someone that immediately it is a bad lynch?
You think mafia want to lynch other mafia players?
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Well I am being active with the current targets, I CLEARLY stated.
VA is a bad lynch, Onegu would be a good lynch.
I have made my point on Xata and just want it out there how scummy I think he is.
I don't understand why you think I am super scummy when I have been consistent and logical with my reads.
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If top town don't think Xata is the lynch that is fine but I just wanted my point of view out there
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So when you said. At the moment its you, i and yam who think kel is scummy. Do you mean "think xat is scummy"
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On August 26 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 10:42 KelsierSC wrote:
If top town don't think Xata is the lynch that is fine but I just wanted my point of view out there
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##Vote Onegu Horrible shift, man. Horrible. Just because top townies says they don't think Xat is mafia, why would you change your vote solely on that? If you have a scum read, you have to push it firmly! How's people judging VA's claim now? I've just got home, can't catch up because I'm awfully tired.
No it's not a horrible shift at all considering I have called onegu scum multiple times. I have pushed the case on Xat for the whole game , people know where I stand, if he is not the target or under consideration then I am not leaving my vote there.
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On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum).
1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all.
2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle.
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On August 26 2014 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
Blues should not claim because VA is clearly getting lynched regardless.
VA had no reason to fake claim, why not give some reads, be more active and convince people you are town that way
His use of the role was bad and a fake claim had much easier outs.
He is un cc'd
Like how hard you are pushing this just adds to the scum reasons.
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On August 26 2014 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
KSC: if you just dislike my vote being on VA, then shouldn't both of the Mason votes on VA make you think of something?
turtle doesn't read the thread.
I don't think GB is that good honestly
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On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 19:50 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum). 1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all. 2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle. 1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't.
I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die.
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On August 26 2014 19:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
Blues should not claim because VA is clearly getting lynched regardless. VA had no reason to fake claim, why not give some reads, be more active and convince people you are town that way His use of the role was bad and a fake claim had much easier outs. He is un cc'd Like how hard you are pushing this just adds to the scum reasons. Honestly how you want blues to claim doesn't look very good for you. Even if you're town it just helps scum/SK to bluehunt (the ones shouting for blues to claim probably aren't blues themselves unless they're just trying to heavily WIFOM haha).
the first 2 reasons? sick dodge
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On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:50 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum). 1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all. 2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle. 1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though.
meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling.
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Anyway Xat it appears, much to my displeasure, that we are not lynching you today.
But one of the main reasons I am not voting on VA is because Xat and Hapa are doing it.
I don't really give a shit about anything turtle does at this point. He is confirmed town but his reads or votes are meaningless.
Same with GB i just don't think he has looked at the game properly.
By the way before anyone jumps on this being inconsistent with my "assosicative playstyle" GM and turtle are confirmed town by roles but their play has not impressed me and they dont read or analyse the game the way I do, for this reason I do not put much stock in their votes or reads.
When people like Dam or WoS give a read I take it more seriously because I think they have played in a town way and they seem to read the game in a similar way to me.
"But WoS voted on VA why don't you?" as I mentioned I have my own specific reasons to not vote on VA.
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On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:50 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum). 1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all. 2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle. 1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled.
He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched
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On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:50 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:
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At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch
But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles.
Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read.
read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum.
I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum). 1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all. 2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle. 1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town.
You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier.
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Anyway I am just derailing town with this stuff I have rehased it before, everyone knows I think your mafia. You aren't being lynched today.
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On August 26 2014 20:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:09 KelsierSC wrote:
Anyway Xat it appears, much to my displeasure, that we are not lynching you today.
But one of the main reasons I am not voting on VA is because Xat and Hapa are doing it.
I don't really give a shit about anything turtle does at this point. He is confirmed town but his reads or votes are meaningless.
Same with GB i just don't think he has looked at the game properly.
By the way before anyone jumps on this being inconsistent with my "assosicative playstyle" GM and turtle are confirmed town by roles but their play has not impressed me and they dont read or analyse the game the way I do, for this reason I do not put much stock in their votes or reads.
When people like Dam or WoS give a read I take it more seriously because I think they have played in a town way and they seem to read the game in a similar way to me.
"But WoS voted on VA why don't you?" as I mentioned I have my own specific reasons to not vote on VA. I think you're town based on your persistence / lack of care for your own appearance, but I'll just say that your "associative playstyle" sucks  It would have merit if you based it on confirmed associations (confirmed/dead players), but it seems like you do exactly the opposite (you only put value on reads of unconfirmed+alive players). That's not how you play the game. It just creates a huge loop that feeds your confirmation bias over and over.
did you just ignore everything I just wrote
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