[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia

On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote:
Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.

On August 26 2014 11:12 meatpudding wrote:
Little town it's a quiet village.
Everyday like the one before.
Little town full of little people, waking up to say.
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!

On August 26 2014 11:21 lilwade wrote:
LET IT GO, LET IT GOOOOO!

On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote:
Good morning my darlings.
I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about!
You all heard the fairy godmothers!

First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event.
- The flavour text was exquisite. Good job!

Now, to more pressing matters.
Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny?
I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you.

lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?!
On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?

Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with.

May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D

On August 26 2014 12:10 meatpudding wrote:
OOC: This is my 3rd mafia game (of all time and here on TL). The other two were The Beginning and Star Trek. I think flavour should be compulsory for princess mafia.

Jenny, you're looking as beautiful as you ever do, morning noon or night. But the evil and wicked ones have assumed the visage of our dearest ones. I will be looking into your heart to find where your true alignment lies.

On August 26 2014 12:44 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia: meatpaper is a man with many a names. There are countless and countless of variations to meatphone's name. You just have to pick which one suits you best. Is it meatpouch or is it meatpurge?
It's hard to say exactly what his towngame is, for me, because all that happened was that he was being harassed and had to defend himself. He wasn't very active during the day and I guess a lot of people wanted to go for the "safelynch" so to speak. Sadly enough he was one of the two wagons we had, and he sadly ended up being town. He was put in a very awkward situation with only a couple of hours to try to sway everyone elses votes. He tried to bring up some scummy things other people had done during the day, as his defense, which ended up with him looking as though he was defending both the people on the chopping block. I don't necessarily think, now afterwards, that it was truly intended but it is what it is.
The other guy was lynched and in the night I went through the entire topic again and did some major calculations(1+1=2) and realized that way too many were going on him. He was probably town. I voiced my opinion and was killed during that first night. First mafia game, first to get killed by mafia.. Rudeness!
I guess I have myself to blame for being too towny. Everyone read me town that game and I had 2 people who was ride or die with me.
I'll let you know though, if anything out of the ordinary, based on what I've seen, shows up in meatpickle's posts. Just like I did with his sudden interest in flavouring it up.

meatproud: Flattery will get you a long way, but not far enough to be my beloved spouse. You will have to work much harder than that.

On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm.
God save the princesses.

On August 26 2014 13:14 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, oh no, the bold was just me trolling about abuse's name and adding different kinds of abuse in there.. erhm
Expect more of that btw.

The bang marry kill works a bit like this:

Bang - someone you think is town or leaning town, so you'd be willing to engage in a 1 time goodtime, giggity, and then they will have to keep prove themselves if they want to keep getting it.

Marry - This is your number 1. Your top town, the one you are willing to go to the end with. Ofc, like irl you can apply for a divorce should a skeleton come out of the closet. But this is to signify who you want to align yourself with during the game.

Kill - This one should be obv. Everyone who isn't a bang or a marry ends up in this category. If you want to can make a kill list of who should be dead first, and the others will have to lick your dirty boots to get back on your good side.

Hopefully that will make people see now how I do it, and feel free to do it yourselves if you want to.
Also, if you find someone you don't want to hookup with and also don't really feel like killing, I guess you could add a null area for those that do nothing for you. But try to not make that one too large, because it's really difficult for us other townies to discern those kinds of reads.

Gobblegobblegobble, welcome my fair maiden. God will not save us here, we will have to take matters into our own hands and solve this puzzle the best way we know how! Kill people and search their pockets for wicked dust that have turned those ugly faces into a beautiful facade.

On August 26 2014 13:29 Breshke wrote:
Hello everyone
Lets get down to business, to defeat the mafia. (God that was awful)

On August 26 2014 13:35 JennyHell wrote:
Haha, welcome to the topic, Breshke.
It wasn't awful at all! I didn't read it, I sang it out loud!
Maybe a better word at the end would have been mob? Sort of similar to mafia and only one syllable, so it rolls better off the tongue. Or maybe even better!!! SCUM! To defeat the scuuuum!!

On August 26 2014 13:45 Breshke wrote:
hahaha yes scum, that's perfect!
Also I think the Bang, Marry Kill is a great idea. Can't wait to use it.

On August 26 2014 14:30 Barakos wrote:
Good morning everybody!

And 'Happy Birthday' to our host, if i am not missinterpreting that little birthday-hat right next to your name! ^^



Funny, that out of all people you call someone out for having an evil name, when it is you, who is using the latin word for 'pride', one of the seven cardinal sins, as your name...

And in the last newbie-game a guy named DCLXVI was a mafia goon... latin numbers... and connected to the devil as well... this can't be a coincidence!

On August 26 2014 14:51 lilwade wrote:
Jennayyyy I am here! I hope you stick around longer than 1 night this time around. I like your play style, it makes me want to sing. I hope we get some more activity soon, what are your thoughts thus far?

On August 26 2014 15:21 JennyHell wrote:
lilwade, Oh how I hope I will last longer than 1 night this time around! I'm glad you feel the same way.
Singing is awesome! We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains!

My thoughts so far aren't many, but here we go.

1. I hope for more activity! This is painfully slow. But I'm assuming it's odd hours at all places of the world so just hold on nor necessarily super tight, because it's not needed right now, and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory!

2. meatpatty is currently being different than what you and I are used to, lilwade, based on the last game. So I'm keeping my eyes on him.

3. Barakos crashes in and slams a good one on superbia. However, I didn't really like it. I like that he's aware of what happened in the last newbie game, because it shows some sort of interest and effort in wanting enough pre-info to be able to read the game correctly. Which probably also mean he is willing to filter dive us all from previous games, and that can only be a good thing.
Now to the fact that I didn't really like what he said. Superbia was first to post and the startups are always trolly and odd. He made a similar joke as someone else did last newbie game with me and DC being scummy because of our names. Low and behold, it's not something you can read anyone from. Therefore, I don't think that Barakos can nor should read too much in to #1 post made in day 1, nor should he focus on peoples forum handles being scummy. That said, I don't think he is, or at least hope he isn't. Time will tell!

4. Some of you have made me sing already which is lovely.. But let's not make this into a claim-fest because it may out good roles and help hide scum.

5. I also appreciated that Superbia came out and asked what a typical town read on meatpillow would be. I would suggest he filter dives meatpole's previous games to get a better knowledge himself.

On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Oh Jenny, I have eyes for you as well. *blush* I'm at school so I should be able to show some activity in a few hours.

Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:
Hello people~

I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely.
Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome [spoiler]not really[/spoiler]
Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity..

I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.

I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)

I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -

What alignment did you get?(town or scum)

What were you hoping to get?

What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?

On August 26 2014 16:42 Breshke wrote:


I am town aligned and it was what i was hoping for. I don't think i would be a fan of Lynch all Lurkers as this is a newbie game and people such as myself find it hard to post unless questions are posed to them. (hopefully i can improve on this) I don't know where i stand on Lynch all liars though.

On August 26 2014 16:42 MihZaaa wrote:
Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we?

So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read.

You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches.

I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though.

On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote:
Hello darling, I see you've come in and hit us with some questions. I will approach those soon enough, but let me start with punching you back.

You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.

I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.

Now to your questions, although I can see why someone would make such a play, I'm not a huge fan of it. Too easy for scum to hide. But I'll indulge you. Else you might just hit me again.

I am top town, yay me!

Couldn't care less if I was mafia or town. I like the game in general and don't care which side of the spectrum I am on.

The policies all depend on who fall under those categories. I prefer to try to read people based on what they have given, rather than come out of the bat and just get rid of the stragglers. Some people are bound to do less than others, and it's not necessarily indicative of either a mafia or town alignment.

Killing all liars? You know it's a game of lies a deceit right? And there might be moments where town will have to go out of their way and say things that may not be 100% truthful, in order to save their asses from people being wrong, yeah? Or mafia pushing on them and getting town on the wrong path.

I hope that gave you the insight you were looking for. Again, just to remind you, read day 1 and 2 in the last newbie game.

On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote:
To answer your questions abuse:

Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.

Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you.

I don't like lynch all lurkers, I prefer don't play with the lurker next game. Some times especially in newbie games vt will lurk and mislynching is not worth it just to be righteous.

As to lynch all liars, i do like it when for example when people claim roles to protect the real ones but those are very rare occasions so even though i wouldn't bilindly lynch a liar I sure would keep an eye on him and have him in my scum side.

I'll have to go now for up to 5 hours but I will resume as soon as i get back home.

On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world!
Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia!

On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote:
Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given.
How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game?
How many do you think you could possibly give?

On August 26 2014 17:09 JennyHell wrote:


I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.

On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote:
@ meatpudding,

Fair enough -
I am town and was hoping for a town power role.

Waiting for your answer to this also.

As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above.
You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy.
How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.

On August 26 2014 17:13 meatpudding wrote:


I agree it is way too early. I'm not objecting to the use of the format, I love it. I think that asking people to give reads so early is meaningless. (Should be obvious)

On August 26 2014 17:15 meatpudding wrote:


I'm VT and that's the only role I've played before. I like it.

I guess there is a distinction between a lie told on purpose and a change of opinion.

On August 26 2014 17:18 meatpudding wrote:


Upon re-reading I think that is what you were trying to say. I thought that you were asking us to give reads right away.

On August 26 2014 22:26 abuse wrote:
So.. anyone else have anything to say, or is everyone asleep? :[

On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote:
At work, so i will try to post some thoughts... if you have any questions, ask them, i will answer, when i am at home in ~3h

First of, to get this out of the world (at least I hope so):
I didn't mean to attack superbia. I liked the irony and wanted to point it out, because I found it funny. I may be new to forummafia but i wouldn't go as far as calling people scum because of their names. I also could have added some smileys to make the intention behind the post a bit clearer.
For what it's worth: 'Barakos' is a name I took out of a Warhammer Fantasy Battlereport, where the author named his Strigoi-Vampirecount 'Barakos' and i've been using the name ever since, so if you want a 'scummy' name... there you got it.

Hope, that will be all, there is left to say about the name-discussion... now for the important stuff:

On Jenny:
I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:

On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:
Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.

Still most towny person at the moment.

On Abuse:
I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you.

And to answer your questions:

My alignment is town, but i kinda hoped i would roll mafia. I absolutely hate playing in the dark, so i would have loved to know, who is friend and who is foe. Now i will have to trust my instincts... god help us all!

Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?".

Lynching the lurkers is something I would only resort to, if I had no better scumread on anybody else, since I think it is a quite weak motiv to lynch somebody and chances are high, the lynchee will flip town. That being said: this is my first forumgame, so I haven't really met any really annoying lurkers. Let's just hope, everybody is active in this game, so we can get solid reads.

On the other ones, that have posted so far:
There is not much I can read out of your posts so far... mostly due to the fact, that there aren't that many posts to read from.

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:
Correction - in Day 1, not in 1 Day.

On August 27 2014 00:21 MihZaaa wrote:
I guess we'll have to be the ones filling those 30 pages for now.



[u]I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.

[u]In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles.

I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.

I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well.

On August 27 2014 02:29 JennyHell wrote:
Evening, my dears.
Let's have a lil chat, shall we?

I'll start with responding to this:



Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.

Example 1.)
This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.



As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.

The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.

Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.

The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?

On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote:
Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".

Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.

Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!

I hope that explains it a bit better.

On August 27 2014 02:51 JennyHell wrote:



I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.

The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse.
Care to explain that?

On August 27 2014 03:09 Barakos wrote:
... my post was too long.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:
To preface this a little: I am expect this post will be a bit lengthy so if there's anything you will have answered by the time I post then don't feel obligated to repeat.

Superbia

I liked your big post more than the Barakos does even though a lot of reads were "Alright!" which I thought didn't add anything. As such I will mostly talk about the things you attributed points to.




I didn't like that you said this at all. I don't see why town would bring up what might have been a major slip-up from cop. Seems like you're making sure who to kill in the night and considering you gave him a tasty +1 for pretty much nothing it seems like you're trying to pocket him.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I didn't read this as scummy necessarily so I'm looking forward to what your read was when you feel it has taken enough shape.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I assume this rather rude reaction means you think I'm sheeping? It's my first forum mafia game so I'm not familiar with the lingo yet. I think this would have been a valid criticism considering I didn't elaborate too much on my read had it not been really early in the game where expecting such detailed explanations is high hopes at best. Maybe i misinterpret the baa h though. I would like clarification.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

Aside from how condescending it felt I also feel like you're setting up a bit of a strawman. It's only that one question that I had a problem with not his attempt (successful attempt, i might add) to spark conversation.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:

I don't like that you attributed negative points to something you expect to happen but hasn't happened yet IE garbage excuses from me during a lynch.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:Will give a in a few hours but right now I'm seeing Barakos as top town.

On August 27 2014 04:12 MihZaaa wrote:This will not help the game but it's important to me.+ Show Spoiler +

On August 27 2014 04:13 MihZaaa wrote:
Forgot to say this but great effort with the long post you made Superbia. Your "abomination" was certainly much more useful than daydreamingmarine's was.

On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote:
Thanks, I guess.
But let's see, if we can lead this thread into a more productive direction...



Fine with me, if you don't want to talk about Breshke right now. But I'll come back to this point some point into the game, if it is still important by the time, Breshke answers.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)

On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote:
In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards.
I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.

Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:
My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.

1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little
2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this.
3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first?
It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.

On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.

Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:
2. I don't follow how this statement could allow abuse to cover up his scummy play. Are you trying to say that if he pushes for a lynch and they flip town, he will say 'I was just being vocal' as a cover?

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:3. Somehow I suspect the hard push is coming. Also, how does giving misinformation about your MBK list help town in any way? You've mentioned your private points list a couple of times but I'm not convinced it's going to help us.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:4. Good point, it may have been too early to reveal his reasoning here. As for the why, both me and Barakos called him out for asking us to provide information, when he wasn't giving us anything to read from. So I think he was forced to back up a bit. And if you check page 7, he does answer all the questions (I note this in my case on you).

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:5. Maybe you're right. But is it indicative of abuse's alignment? It could be scummy to hunt for roles, so maybe. But def a weak weak read. As for abuse's reply that often people don't answer before they ask, I think this is a scum trait because, as I said above, it doesn't give town any way to read the person asking the questions. So this could lead to abuse being scummy but not for the reason you've stated. This is something abuse needs to clear up asap.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:6. The thread has started slow, so not everyone has given reads. Some people have not even posted. By now, however, I think it's a good time to give some reads. Note that Jenny for example hasn't given any reads either and you don't push a case on her.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:7. Relates back to 2.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:8. You seem to have missed most of what abuse said on page 7 (see point 4) so I think he has a good point that you are rushing.

On August 27 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:Finally,
9. I'm inclined to agree mainly with abuse here. You and I seem to be reading the opposite and it makes you look wicked to me.

On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote:
meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy



...

This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'

It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.

EBWOP fixed quotes

On August 27 2014 13:59 meatpudding wrote:
I'm happen to agree with what he was saying at that point. That is, Jenny is neutral (not enough positive action to put her in the town circle) and Barakos and MihZaaa are leaning town. Is there anything specific you would like me to elaborate on? What is it about the abuse quote I posted that you disagree with?

Also, what is your reads on Jenny and Barakos?

You haven't put out a town read on anybody yet, you need to more than just point fingers. For now I'm going to say that I don't read you as scum yet, but if you are town you need to help a lot more.

On August 27 2014 14:10 Barakos wrote:


Good morning everyone. Just woke up, so here some thoughts on the abuse-case before i head to work:

1st quote and your reaction:
I feel like you are overreacting at this point. You were called out instantly by 2 people on your math not adding up and gave the explanation to this without hesitation. abuse himself said, that lying without explanation would lead to him pushing people... you explained why you "lied" (i wouldn't even agreeing on it being a lie), so I would not have awaited a reaction from him, since pushing this point would have made him look more mafia than town.

On August 27 2014 14:10 Barakos wrote:2nd quote and your reaction:
Here you slip hard. abuse has answered all of his questions
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=7#129
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=7#131

On August 27 2014 14:10 Barakos wrote:5th quote:
While I see the valid points in your post, I feel very uncomfortable voting on him yet, since he is one of the top contributors to the thread and your vote feels rushed to me, too.

On August 27 2014 17:20 abuse wrote:
Superbia
First off- I am not a fan of super long posts. They are confusing and have way too much information to handle in one read at least for me. It would have been much better if you had split your post at least with a single post per person you are analyzing. This is also why this post it will be a pain for everyone, because I need to quote you..(and it will be a disaster, but please bare(sp?) with me)




This is 100% speculation. You are being very cutthroat on something I have not even done, but you just assume that I will.
Why would you base your arguments on this?

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)

On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote:
As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:


Did you even read this part yourself before you commented it? If I catch you it means that I will push. That is what I said. I did not mention at any point that I want to enduce(?) a lynch all liars or lynch all lurkers in this thread. If you lied then you made a scummy play. Others have noticed. The push will come.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:


Does it make sense as scum? (hint: no)

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Does it make sense as a newbie, playing his first newbie game in TL? ( :OOOO )

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Also - I revealed this to let other people use this information to a good standard later themselves, and not discuss useless topics like why would i ask a general question.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:Also, as mentioned before by others, I have answered all of the questions myself, instantly when prompted. If you pride yourself on reading my posts, and blaming me for not reading yours, you should have known this. This also proves my point that you are rushing, and throwing out accusations all over the place. Also seems like you are making these super large posts on purpose, because nobody would actually quote your bs, to prove you wrong (especially in a newbie game where people might not know TL's formatting well, it also takes up a lot of time and effort.)

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:

If you liked it then why are you pushing me about this? I have gotten what I have already mentioned before - basic picture of what a player is like, along with actual mafia-related stuff started being talked about, not useless chatter about other games and whatnot.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:


It is slightly alignment indicative, but it indicates more who plays how. Who notices stuff what they are supposed to notice. Stuff like this needs to be called out, but there is a large difference in HOW you get called out on it. Scum and town would do it in different ways. One way- how town would do it, is ask about it and after they get an answer they would understand. The other way - how scum would do it - is latch on to this detail for all eternity and push that this is what scum would do. hence what you are doing now.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:

I didn't say you gave no reads. I said that you are saying that I ask for reads and not give any in return. Please read posts more carefully before you flag someone. There might be plenty of information to make reads from now, but not when I made that post, as discussions were only beginning.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:

I dont understand your argument. Why is something like that "blatantly obvious" here?

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:


You rush too much by not actually giving any good reads. Your arguments are flawed and are often based on stuff that you think will happen in the future, but have not actually happened yet , not to mention most of it was "alright" and jokes.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:You misread what people are saying and you do not even read most of what they are saying, and are trying to cause chaos that way. Your extremely large posts do not help either. It might seem like something that scum wouldn't do, because hey, scum wouldn't put that much effort because they want to stay under the radar, right? Scum can. You did.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I do not have a problem with the fact that you are giving a shitload of data, it is what I wanted to achieve with my first questions after all. My problem is with the data you give. Your data is like a biased TV news network. You put everything in your light, and try to make wagons, by making people think like you want them to think, presenting all of the information in your biased perspective, not just poking at weak parts of others plays, letting others notice it and make their own judgement on the matter. This is scummy in my book.

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:

How the fuck do you manage to find it bad and scummy, both when I say that there are no real reads available, AND when I post my thoughts on people?

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:You also seem to find it bad and scummy, that by your mind, I do not give thoughts on others (though I do). Why do you find EVERYTHING I DO scummy? Why do you want everyone to think that?

On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote:
Meatpudding
May I ask though why in reply to abuses questions did you feel the need to specifically claim VT and not just town. Im not looking that much into this I'm just intrigued.

On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote:Superbia
I dislike your push on abuse. You asked him how explaining his playstyle is helpful to town saying that this was just something he could fall back on for scummy play when you yourself were talking about “private reads”. Couldn't mentioning these be seen in the same way as a scapegoat to fall back on after a scummy play? Also was your vote for me just to try and make me talk? If not what changed between your vote on me and your vote on abuse?

On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:
"You need to back up your fucking circles man"
"I just feel like there's barely any town content."
I honestly do not know what game you are playing, and what posts you are reading.
I backed up every single of my town reads with seperate posts.

On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:Also i find it funny, that you are allowed to "get things going" with your huge post, yet when I do it with my questions before you, you fail to see this as the same thing, while many others have acknowledged this.

On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:I honestly have nothing more to say. This post of yours(though still mega) seems a little more grown up, but you still tend to fixate on a part of what is said.
You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind.

On August 27 2014 23:55 abuse wrote:P.S. And the fact that you think that being a newbie is a garbage excuse, you should stop playing in newbie games if you think that is true, and you should be ready to hit it with the big guys.

On August 27 2014 23:35 Daydreamarine wrote:
wakes up from a long sleep after drinking some grog in a tavern

Hi all,

just wanted to introduce myself. It is my first Mafia game and I expected a lot more role playing and interactiveness but maybe I am just used to role playing communities as opposed to RTS communities (although I love both) or the game has not properly began.
Nonetheless I think it will be a very entertaining experience.

I am not a fan of using a point system to analyze behaviour and find this a bit suspicious.

All the players who introduced themselves like "Lets ban all the wickedness seem a bit mafia too me since this would be a good distraction from their own role".

I am just making these points without mentioning names since it is my first post here and I want to give everybody a fair chance before I call my shots".

On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
Kill
Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you.

##Vote: Superbia

Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town.

On August 28 2014 05:20 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?

On August 28 2014 05:14 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people?

On August 28 2014 05:32 JennyHell wrote:


So if not him, who would you rather see us lynching today?

On August 28 2014 06:55 gobbledydook wrote:


I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them.

On August 28 2014 07:45 gobbledydook wrote:
I think we should vote breshke for being completely useless. If I get enough support I am voting him instead.

On August 28 2014 07:51 JennyHell wrote:


Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town.
Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him.
I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons.

On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote:
Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon???

On August 28 2014 07:58 JennyHell wrote:
Two hours left and we still haven't sorted out proper wagons. This is atrocious! It's like a playground for mafia!

On August 28 2014 08:01 gobbledydook wrote:


my response is fuck you
im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post

On August 28 2014 08:10 gobbledydook wrote:
IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME JUST TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM DO IT

On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote:
Can people stop using the F-word please!
This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here.


Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try?

On August 28 2014 08:17 JennyHell wrote:
Why am I the only one voting for mafia here?!
Everyone else is voting on this pissed off guy just because he's being bad mannered. I wouldn't be surprised if his horrible attitude is him being annoyed as town. I want the bad manner gone as well, but don't forget we are trying to scumhunt here!

On August 28 2014 08:21 gobbledydook wrote:


I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless.
If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try

On August 28 2014 08:25 gobbledydook wrote:
Do you seriously expect a mafia lynch on day 1 to look so easy?

On August 28 2014 08:29 gobbledydook wrote:


No it really isn't. Straight-unanimous lynches rarely end up mafia. Contested ones are much more likely to turn mafia.

On August 28 2014 08:30 gobbledydook wrote:
my top lynches are superbia, breshke and lilwade. Reasons can be found in my filter.

On August 28 2014 08:34 JennyHell wrote:
Breshke about gobble:

Still voting on him.

Superbia about gobble:

How about you vote on someone you actually think is mafia then?

On August 28 2014 09:06 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, do you still feel that gobble may be town but you're willing to vote for him anyways?

On August 28 2014 09:11 gobbledydook wrote:


hahahahahahahahahaha

you're scum.

On August 28 2014 09:18 JennyHell wrote:
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for?

On August 28 2014 09:23 JennyHell wrote:


To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what.

Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno..

On August 28 2014 09:34 JennyHell wrote:



How will your reads change if this guy flips town? Is it still donkey play to keep him alive and possibly instead having killed a mafia?

On August 28 2014 17:15 abuse wrote:Superbia, please get your head out of your butt.
there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer.

Are you kidding me?
The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this.

On August 28 2014 18:02 meatpudding wrote:
SuperBias

Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit.

You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads.

On August 28 2014 19:55 abuse wrote:


I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that.
Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different.
I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt.

What is "the formal" ?
And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little.

On August 28 2014 20:22 Barakos wrote:


I actually feel Breshkes swing has got some bad taste in it.
First of all there is this quote:

Yet he still votes on gobble, not for being mafia but for being anti-town, after gobble started insulting people.

Then he only went for MihZaaa after wades swing and when he could be quite sure, that he would not get lynched, since it would have taken 2 extra-votes on him and there were not enough people active in the thread to accomplish this, since many of us - myself included - were not present at the end of the day.
Gobbles vote already was on him by the time he switched, so it would have taken 2 out of Meatpudding, abuse, superbia, lilwade an me.
Lilwade switched back to his prime suspect just a few posts before, so he could be quite sure, he wouldn't get lilwades vote and meatpudding, abuse and I were not present anymore by the time he switched.
I don't think this switch was a risk at all.

On lilwades swing I feel unsure, since he had MihZaaa as his first vote, then switched to gobbledydook after his outburst and then switched back to MihZaaa, once his outburst was over and the tempers have cooled down. I don't like the back and forth, but it is in line with his previous posts and I can't blame him for swinging to gobble for a short period of time. He also gave an explanation for swinging:

Still: I don't like the switching back and forth but I can understand both switches. I still would have felt better, if he had stuck with MihZaaa.

On August 28 2014 23:31 JennyHell wrote:
I am not going to do much during the nightphase. Mafia doesn't need more reasons to shoot me and I will instead spend most of the nightphase sorting out my reads privately, doing some votecounting and what not.

All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed.
To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy.
Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included.
I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened.
That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways.

We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out.
We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc.

Do some leg work people, I know I will.

On August 29 2014 21:17 Barakos wrote:
Jenny/ Superbia area you here? If so, what are your thoughts on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=27#523

On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:


I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while.
I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought.

I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me.
I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of.

The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup.

If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there.
However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction.

Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information.

TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.

On August 30 2014 00:19 JennyHell wrote:


Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.

Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed.
Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.

On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote:
This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts?
And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?

On August 30 2014 07:12 Barakos wrote:

Yes. Reason is given here.

Read it and feel free to ask questions about it.

On August 30 2014 07:33 lilwade wrote:
I missed part of my superbia post.
that last sentence was "the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:
I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.

Your D1:
First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"...
You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads".
The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread.
Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense.
Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier:

I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again?

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this:

This doesn't add up for me.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Your N1:
You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this.
After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa.
You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read.
And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.

On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Then we come into D2.
You start it off with this:


I don't like this post at all... for several reasons.
The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier.
I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart.
So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him.
What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it.
So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out.
What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.

On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time.
Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.

So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.

On August 29 2014 12:13 Breshke wrote:
@Barakos
Ill try talk you through the thought process of my votes. It starts with dook bm'ing and also calling me useless. This annoyed me a fair bit because yes I conceded ive been fairly useless this game msotly just agreeing with people and such but this is a noobie game and my first game of forum mafia ever and I had been trying to produce content but it just wasn’t happening whereas people than asked dook to explain his reads and he refused to. Him calling me useless felt ironic to me but yes my initial vote looking back was probably a omgus. Jenny then started defending him and pointing out that this could be town behaviour which made me realise my vote was very rash. At this stage I wanted to change my vote to mihzaa as he was someone I actually thought was mafia. Mihzaa was not active though so I didn't know If voting him would be seen as bad mannerd. Lilwade then voted on him so this cleared this up for me and dook finally explained his read on abuse which in my mind showed he was interested in playing the game again. I then changed my vote.

On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote:
I asked if anyone else was roadblocked because if abuse was jailed mafia knew exactly what setup it was, If he was blocked by mafia (which now seems most likely as jenny and others have pointed out) the mafia had a 50/50 on the setup. Seems like i will be one of the wagons at the end of the day so its likely we could go two days without lynching a mafia. Because of this i wanted to try and get as much information out there so mafia can't fakeclaim easily tomorrow.

On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote:For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself.

On August 31 2014 00:27 Breshke wrote:
You seemed to analyse it much better than i did and cleared it up for me. I also think that abuses claim is now confirmed and i agree completly with the reasoning on how he was likely roleblocked by mafia. This makes Abuse my second top town if not equal with daydreammarine unless mafia was making a play (roleblocking one of their own) which again is very very very unlikely as it would have been such a huge risk as they still didn't know the setup, abuse is . Most of my problems with jenny this game have been that i have thought she is too town to be town. I realize that this is most likely paranoia and she is doing so many towny things for example fighting so hard to get the lynch of dook because she is town.

On August 31 2014 04:59 Barakos wrote:
Second: I bolded this part: I already did. This is exactly, what I am talking about, when I say, you invoke the impression of not reading the thread close enough. I don't expect you, to know the thread insideout, but this was a post, in which I was defending you from daydreamarines attack. You must have seen this post...

On August 31 2014 05:13 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, you still haven't voted. Please do so. We can't risk having too many people not on the wagons, making things easier for mafia.
If you feel someone else is a more suitable candidate for wagon than MihZaa, because obviously you already think you shouldn't be one, then come out with it and explain why and at least put a vote down.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:
Lets get down to it

Marry - Daydreammarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Bang-

Jenny - I really really want to marry you but something I was reading while going through your filter made me hold off, in short it was because you were doing something you told us all we shouldnt I do. I dont want to explain further because I feel you are still strongly town.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Barakos - Everyone has had you in their town circle and I dont necessarily disagree I just think that we need to examine everyone with the same perspective as others. Not what makes you town but what seems scummy.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Abuse - you started off pretty rocky with me, I read you really scummy early on with your super defensiveness and in newbie mafia that is usually a good tell, however I think I have seen enough from you to let you pass today.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Neutral

Superbia - A lot of people disagree with your playstyle but I actually read you as town early on, but the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Scum

MihZaaa - being as he hasnt posted anything since my last read I think that justifying him here would be me reiterating myself

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:Breshke - I do not think I have agreed with you at all lately and I need to go through and read everything from your point of view.

On August 30 2014 07:09 lilwade wrote:I know that I have not actually provided quotes to back up my post here, I plan to give full reads with information backing up how I feel but today has just been nonstop and I have class now. I am very sorry I can't do this now.

On August 31 2014 09:16 Barakos wrote:
This is just insane... we are 8 left and only 3 are here atm... 2 got an excuse and 3 go full submarine-mode

On August 31 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote:
I'm not sure if you noticed but my vote is on mihzaaa,as ive said i like how you stuck to your gut and still voted dook. This makes you look towny for me. Barakos doesnt see this point the same way and has also constructed another case against you. I would rather mihzaa or even maybe lilwade be lynched before you but if they flip town it isn't going to help much whereas if you are lynched which is looking likely i think your role reveal weather town or mafia will give a lot more information.

On August 31 2014 09:20 Breshke wrote:
Superbia i don't know if you have vocied your opinion on this but which would you rather lynch, lilwade or mihzaaa, i see before you mentioned lilwade isnt showing up and we should push on him why not on mihzaa aswell?

On August 31 2014 09:20 Daydreamarine wrote:
First we should get confirmed how many players will be killed. I highly doubt that two players will be modkilled in a Newbie Mafia Game.

One thing is still unanswered by most of the other players. Why did MeatPudding die, if not for being vocal about Superbia? So far I did not read any other motive if I am not mistaken.

I highly doubt it is because Superbia did softclaim him cop on Day 1.

Sure it could be that he was killed for no particular reason but that would be very risky to do that by Mafia.

On August 31 2014 09:43 Breshke wrote:
I really do hope we lynch an inactive today, going into tomorrow with 6 people 2 of them being inative would be dreadfully painful. The problem is mihzaa went inactive since before the night meaning if he was mafia he wouldnt have been able to submit his actions. I don't put much weight on this though because he could have easily just not posted in the thread but i just thought id bring it up.

On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote:
I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this.
I woke up just to be here when it ends btw.

On August 31 2014 09:45 Barakos wrote:
Don't make me regret this later, Superbia.

On August 31 2014 09:54 JennyHell wrote:


Then how do I explain my read on you? I'll just say "that thing I mentioned earlier and isn't allowed to say anymore" instead

On August 31 2014 09:56 JennyHell wrote:


I'll have the Elsa dress plz.

On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote:
Also what caught my attention is that when Superbia is the only one trolling and taunting (he only uses swear words when he wants to provoke Mafia or other players) why does he expect others to mirror him and join in, if it is obviously not their playstyle?

On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote:@Superbia I do not expect you to defend yourself against my statement that you fake claimed (since I could be wrong and you already defended yourself against it) but feel free to comment on my questions about your request to out roles since I have my theory but want to be proved wrong.

On September 01 2014 06:43 JennyHell wrote:
Hey Superbia, you said that you don't think MihZaaa and Breshke is in the same team. And that if Breshke flips mafia, then MihZaa is town. How are you feeling about Breshke now that MihZaaaa flipped town?

On August 31 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote:
What will you do if lilwade doesn't show up?

On August 31 2014 07:16 Barakos wrote:
go hard on him and mihzaaa. wade has been cut slack from everybody, especially jenny. This credit is used up, after tonight, i feel. Jenny is absolutely right. Going into mylo/lylo with blank-reads just wont work.
If we don't get consecutive mafia-lynches and it comes to a do-or-die, i want to be in it with people I have as many sources for reads as possible.
Also on daydreamarine... confirmed town or not. He has shown at some points, that he has the time to participate but just doesn't...
While marine still has to understand, that activity is key to bringing up thoughts about the game, the other two already should know better.

On September 01 2014 10:50 JennyHell wrote:


This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide.
For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out.

On September 01 2014 10:56 JennyHell wrote:


That's not true. I'm not going to tell you why it's not true. We shouldn't talk about it. If PR's know what they're doing they'll know what I'm talking about.
Basically, you're wrong.

We should definitely no-lynch. Simple as.