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On July 30 2014 11:05 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys, i wait around most of the day and then it starts while i'm at work that makes me sad. But i'm caught up now thankfully.
I know its been talked about a little bit but I agree with that it should be a confident townie against his top scum read. Its to easy sometimes when two people you think look scummy to tunnel them both and just not see whats going on besides that.
Obi why didn't you post more like this in titanic? You were so much more reserved their and you are acting so much more confident and easy going here I Iike it in comparison to our previous games together.
Meh, I'm not entirely sure in hindsight. I got really detached from Titanic for some reason. I wouldn't be able to tell you why because I honestly don't know.
If I really had to give you a reason, I think frustration might have been a really big part of it.
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On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes.
If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched.
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Please don't duel anyone until we've talked it through properly. In response to your question though batsnacks you'd have to wait and see. The way games are going nowadays mafia always need to be pushing into the lurker category of people because people are getting pretty exceptional at finding town reads out of active players. If you have extra information that someone is pushing a towny in the lurkers you'd been in a good spot. So really just see who is lurking because they either come back mafia which is a win or they come back town and you have a lurker that could be pushed in your mind for making reads on ppl.
So really there is no specific name to give.
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On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes.
Who the hell cares, you probably aren't even the cop.
Acting all pseudo-insulted about something this pointless.
I got more experience at this game than you and an innate ability to bleed town so if you really want to force town to kill you go ahead.
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yo if anyone does a retarded duel i am going to pduel you next cycle
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On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched.
Your loss. You've got less than 24 hours. My alarm is set.
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On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched.
O duel-mastah-sama, if you had an imaginary grenade that your could imaginarily throw to imaginarily kill two players in the game; who would you spam nades on?
also, do you like empanadas? cuz i feel quite alone right now.
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Please don't let this be that thing where you rng a name and they are an alignment.......
It's worse than bh rng :s
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On July 30 2014 11:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched. O duel-mastah-sama, if you had an imaginary grenade that your could imaginarily throw to imaginarily kill two players in the game; who would you spam nades on? also, do you like empanadas? cuz i feel quite alone right now.
I like empanadas AND jager.
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On July 30 2014 10:45 Vivax wrote:
I feel like this guy and HF have only been trying to paint all the stuff I've done in the worst light possible, so I need third party opinions.
Ok, we (me you and HF) are gonna clear this out now otherwise we probably won't be able to play the game proper since it will nag at our minds and whatnot.
I'll step through my thought process from start to end, and give the evolution of my thoughts. Let's keep it civil and clean.
The posts in question that started it all are the following:
On July 30 2014 07:27 slOosh wrote:
##Duel: Vivax On July 30 2014 07:30 Vivax wrote:We have some discussion going and try to find the good apples in the crowd, this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town. In short words: Are you scum? Why come in swinging? On July 30 2014 07:34 Holyflare wrote:
Other joke posts/not caring posts from me and ritoky and you pick out sloosh who is doing the same thing and write a big paragraph explaining it. Reeks of too mafia try hard.
My initial post was done as a simple read check / way to jumpstart discussion. I don't think the posts prior were doing much apart from being opener posts, so I went ahead and did it.
Your general phrasing of questions was very off putting. When you ask "Are you scum?", how is that meaningful? How is that helpful? Prior, you asked Obi "Will you have the balls to duel somebody at some point in the game or do you prefer to leave it to others?" which also felt quite loaded. There are tones of "are you scum or are you scum". Perhaps I'm reading too much into it / language barrier or whatnot, but that is the feeling that those questions give.
HolyFlare (I'm guessing) interpreted my post as a joke / not something serious, and then found your response out of character, given the presence of other joke posts.
What soon follows is you basically calling HolyFlare scum in each post you make without being explicit of why HolyFlare is mafia. To clarify, it wasn't explicitly clear to me, maybe it was obvious to you.
On July 30 2014 07:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's one thing to ignore it entirely but to then continue to ask a question with only 1 logical follow-up (i cant be sure 30 mins into a game herp derp) is actually silly and not in the same spectrum of scum hunting that you would associate with someone thinking about things like you want to appear to be doing Misrepresentations of my posts will be either corrected or punished. Stubborn perseverance on a point made that apparently isn't valid enough for you to definitely categorize me as scum, but valid enough to be classified as analytical, isn't something I see as townie behaviour. I have challenged your strange confidence you expressed in me being mafia by forcing you to prepare for an eventual duel, and now you have proven my point by saying that nobody can be very confident 30 minutes in the game, yet that post of yours sounded like it was the case, given that it offered no townie explanation for my behaviour. You have backtracked in the face of danger, sir. Prepare for the consequences. On July 30 2014 07:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 07:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that you didn't give a satisfactory answer as to how sure you are about me being scum just based on my former reasoning.
Do you have the guts? I think you're confusing guts with being retarded. You yourself agreed with my complaint about games degrading and not being analytical but the moment i start with analysis why do you try and sidetrack that instead of just refuting what i said and in fact avoiding any real analysis with some useless "do you have the guts question"? Very bad vivax My post about SlOosh was even more analytical, and not instantly condemning as opposed to yours, which was limited to skip over my point of view to summarize it as being tryhard scum. Faced with your one-way infamy I see no choice but to force you to be prepared for a challenge against my minority, and from what I've gathered, you seem to display a great deal of cowardice, and call my courage retardedness, just like a rat would, to rationalize his failure in facing a much more worthy contender. On July 30 2014 08:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:02 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax dont you think two scummy people should duel each other, rather than 1 scummy vs 1 townie? I think the idea Obi proposed of getting one townie looking guy to duel a scummy guy is good. Mafia can cause a lot of chaos in the eventuality that two scummy people duel each other. Imagine if they both were townies. You mislynch one, and they can push the idea that people on his wagon were scummy, then maybe they mislynch the other, and so on. Besides, if mafia so wants, they can simply refuse to duel, upon which somebody has to take up the task and pick one of the two. Seems rather unrealistical. I like the idea of having one townie guy duel somebody who is scummy, it will look one sided, but it will also be one of the opportunities where either scum shows face or has to give up on their teammate, if the target was right. And after all, if somebody is confident enough, he will duel on his own. We should be careful after all to not become tunneled and emotional all too quickly, even though it's hard for me when confronted with HF's attempts to misrepresent my posts and paint me scum.
I found this post very reasonable. It clearly explained your intent and explains why you reacted the way you did from a town motivation.
On July 30 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote:
I picked SlOosh's post cause it interfered with my intent and was after all, a post that might or might not tell me he's scumreading me. It was one of those posts that have the potential to cause chaos while you try to get a productive discussion going, and people making those posts can say it was meant seriously or as a joke afterwards, whatever they prefer and is most comfortable for them in the moment they have to explain it.
Without this post, it just seemed that you were calling me scum for vague reasons.
Upon leaving thread and thinking about it, and rereading, I feel that both you (Vivax) and HolyFlare are town, and have different playstyles which account for the misunderstanding and consequent finger pointing. This is where I stand. If you have more you want from me, ask away. HolyFlare if you want to talk logics or whatever, I'm here to talk as well. I think that we should clear this up earlier than later, lest we emotionally make a gutshot duel or something.
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On July 30 2014 10:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 10:26 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar why is jat town? not trying to get a read on you palmar just curious abvout jat because he was looking sorta scummy to me. All he's done is say that obi is confident which = town (extrapolating on my part) and then say that this confidence if continued is probably forced. That's really it and a very odd sentiment to come into the thread with (when cav hadn't really done much more since then)
Don't you think that if someone feels the need to say he is the towniest town ever and will decide the lynch in almost every post he makes it looks like he is overcompensating? Maybe he is town who knows at this point but even if he is I have trouble buying this level of confidence. And since I think he knows that we won't all blindly follow him it really serves no purpose apart from getting people to townread him. Anyways...
On July 30 2014 11:05 Damdred wrote:
I know its been talked about a little bit but I agree with that it should be a confident townie against his top scum read. Its to easy sometimes when two people you think look scummy to tunnel them both and just not see whats going on besides that.
What is this paragraph even supposed to say? Explain please.
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On July 30 2014 11:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. Who the hell cares, you probably aren't even the cop. Acting all pseudo-insulted about something this pointless. I got more experience at this game than you and an innate ability to bleed town so if you really want to force town to kill you go ahead.
How do you figure you have more experience than me at this game? Because your tl post count is higher than mine on this account? You go ahead and force town to kill me if you can.
Notice how Vivax says nothing about his alignment in this post. He only says he has an "ability to bleed town."
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On July 30 2014 11:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched. Your loss. You've got less than 24 hours. My alarm is set.
Seriously don't do this bat its a good way to get yourself killed and help town become dysfunctional. If you duel Viv at least wait till the last second so that we can get as much information as we can from the day.
However viv didn't necessarily give you bad advice, just check someone who you think are lurking day one or night so that you can gather information from more active posters. So don't go crazy on viv because he didn't give you a solid name right now
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Yes sloosh that's what i felt and subsequently said I'd be dropping it so arguing would be futile but vivax no likey and still won't say why.
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On July 30 2014 11:19 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:18 ritoky wrote:On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched. O duel-mastah-sama, if you had an imaginary grenade that your could imaginarily throw to imaginarily kill two players in the game; who would you spam nades on? also, do you like empanadas? cuz i feel quite alone right now. I like empanadas AND jager.
top town
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On July 30 2014 11:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched. Your loss. You've got less than 24 hours. My alarm is set.
No, I don't think you get it. If you end up dueling people for asinine reasons we are just going to lynch you and move on. We are not wasting our time with people who insist on doing stupid shit instead of scumhunting/solving the game.
If you honestly believe that whatever the fuck you said is actually grounds for a scumread/duel then you're out of your mind.
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On July 30 2014 11:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 10:52 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 10:26 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar why is jat town? not trying to get a read on you palmar just curious abvout jat because he was looking sorta scummy to me. All he's done is say that obi is confident which = town (extrapolating on my part) and then say that this confidence if continued is probably forced. That's really it and a very odd sentiment to come into the thread with (when cav hadn't really done much more since then) Don't you think that if someone feels the need to say he is the towniest town ever and will decide the lynch in almost every post he makes it looks like he is overcompensating? Maybe he is town who knows at this point but even if he is I have trouble buying this level of confidence. And since I think he knows that we won't all blindly follow him it really serves no purpose apart from getting people to townread him. Anyways... Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:05 Damdred wrote:
I know its been talked about a little bit but I agree with that it should be a confident townie against his top scum read. Its to easy sometimes when two people you think look scummy to tunnel them both and just not see whats going on besides that.
What is this paragraph even supposed to say? Explain please.
Did you read world cup though x_x? A game where cav was actually mafia and was pretty... I dunno.. Blendy/scared.
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Anyhows, all those words aside, I'm on board the Palmar train. (Train conducted by Palmar, not the other one)
On July 30 2014 09:34 Palmar wrote:Now that I'm confirmed town I'm gonna go to sleep. JAT is probably town too. yamato77 sinani206 fuba goodkarma MysteryMeat1 batsnacks raynpelikoneet Damdred many mafia above. ^^  gn
Reason being that I think Vivax and HolyFlare are town, and the argument between quite clashy, which newer scum would have more difficulty entering thread. The people who have already entered looked ok and didn't seem particularly awkward.
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On July 30 2014 11:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:18 batsnacks wrote:On July 30 2014 11:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly?
Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. If you waste our selection period doing stupid shit instead of letting the duelmaster do his thing, you are going to get lynched. Your loss. You've got less than 24 hours. My alarm is set. No, I don't think you get it. If you end up dueling people for asinine reasons we are just going to lynch you and move on. We are not wasting our time with people who insist on doing stupid shit instead of scumhunting/solving the game. If you honestly believe that whatever the fuck you said is actually grounds for a scumread/duel then you're out of your mind.
Not the first time I've heard this. I might be out of my mind but I'm good on my word.
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On July 30 2014 11:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:21 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 10:52 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 10:26 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar why is jat town? not trying to get a read on you palmar just curious abvout jat because he was looking sorta scummy to me. All he's done is say that obi is confident which = town (extrapolating on my part) and then say that this confidence if continued is probably forced. That's really it and a very odd sentiment to come into the thread with (when cav hadn't really done much more since then) Don't you think that if someone feels the need to say he is the towniest town ever and will decide the lynch in almost every post he makes it looks like he is overcompensating? Maybe he is town who knows at this point but even if he is I have trouble buying this level of confidence. And since I think he knows that we won't all blindly follow him it really serves no purpose apart from getting people to townread him. Anyways... On July 30 2014 11:05 Damdred wrote:
I know its been talked about a little bit but I agree with that it should be a confident townie against his top scum read. Its to easy sometimes when two people you think look scummy to tunnel them both and just not see whats going on besides that.
What is this paragraph even supposed to say? Explain please. Did you read world cup though x_x? A game where cav was actually mafia and was pretty... I dunno.. Blendy/scared.
No, I didn't.
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