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Don't really want to/can't name a favorite work, but if I really had to, it'd probably be Mahler's Symphony no.8 in E flat "Symphony of a Thousand". | ||
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On July 17 2014 10:41 GlowingBear wrote: Oh the urge to play. I said I was only going to play newbie games until I couldn't, but this music thing hooked me. Oh the urge to play. I can't resist it. Alright, /in for now and I choose Villa-Lobos -> Valse Choro A huge proud to my country. Top town, I feel like I'm mindmelting with you right now.  | ||
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Oh. Dear. God. No. | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:20 HaruRH wrote: but I want to be the lead violinist because violin is something im willing to play over piano and cello I'd way play piano over any of those. Although, I'm happy with my current choice, alto sax, as well. | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:21 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, game hasn't already started and I am already randomly voting you. Randomly. You're adorable. You ooze townie perspective. lololo My read is completely genuine. Why would I lie? Why? | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:26 HaruRH wrote: Oh man. This game will be a cacophony of destruction. I can play the violin without breaking the strings, I'm proud of it. Sorry, but I can't listen to any musical puns, I got a trauma from the time I got arested while playing guitar for fingering A minor. | ||
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On July 22 2014 18:24 marvellosity wrote: tldr; read your role PM or you're a dickhead Yeah, this convo is boring the hell out of me. When's the game approximately going to start? | ||
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On July 22 2014 18:38 Vivax wrote: I should probably post lolcats and youtube videos too. This actually sounds like a way better plan! (y) | ||
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On July 22 2014 19:51 GlowingBear wrote: You can run but you can hide. I'm glowing because I bathed on virgin's blood, and yours is next EDIT: I though Teemu wrote that, not Vivax. I guess I need more sleep Yes, during my free time I like to answer my own questions. :D It's why I'm great (bad) at mafia. I'm not sure if I should be scared or aroused? | ||
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On July 22 2014 19:30 HaruRH wrote: You wont have time for lolcats when we roll scum I have all the time at work!  | ||
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On July 22 2014 21:42 kushm4sta wrote: teermursu if you don't read your role pm i will find out after the game. Ok, you convinced me to read it. | ||
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Starting to read the thread right nao. Anyone alive at this hour? | ||
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On July 23 2014 14:51 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm up. Main focus of the day so far have been on Xatalos and Harurh You too, what do you think of Damdred? | ||
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On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet Why am I seeing this instead of who you would rather -want- to lynch. This post is a waste of time and fluff. | ||
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On July 23 2014 07:58 Palmar wrote: Yeah I might just do nothing today, we'll see. Terrible. | ||
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On July 23 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess. Why? | ||
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On July 23 2014 10:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what do we even do? How are we supposed to start this game in earnest without policy lynching the hydra smurf? I feel like this is mafia trying to insert themselves into conversation while not knowing how. | ||
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On July 23 2014 13:28 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote haruH Please, explain your vote. | ||
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On July 23 2014 14:17 HaruRH wrote: ???? So a shitty list post that doesnt even have 50% content is acceptable now, while a push on him doing that is scummy to hell? Time to get some free townpass from kush by posting a giant list post full of nothing. Brb I actually agree with this. I also don't really see Haru scummy here. Haru had some inconsistency in terms of how strongly he expressed the scumread but it's not something I would harp on. Rather, I want to hear from VA and Obi about why Haru is scum. | ||
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On July 23 2014 15:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This would make sense if there was a conversation going on to start with. Then why don't you start one? Who do you think is mafia and why? | ||
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On July 23 2014 15:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's exactly what I was doing, and I don't know. Also, your other post is stupid and you should feel stupid for having posted it. Not really, you're asking others what we should do/talk about/who to lynch instead of providing any of your own original content. I don't really count that as contributing to making conversation because you're more so only spectating/directing the traffic, which is anti-town. Besides, you voted on Haru, I asked you why. So, how about you answer me? | ||
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If Palmar doesn't actually do anything today, we should lynch him. | ||
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On July 23 2014 15:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already gave a reason as to why I voted Haru. Go read my post, holy shit. God damn it I don't understand why the newbies always gun for me for no reason. Fucking anti town. Rofl. Get out. Nope, not going anywhere. All said was that you sheeped Kush. Great. You're not able to substantiate your reads yourself without getting overly defensive and mad first? | ||
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There have been reasons for me to "gun" you and you're not helping yourself. | ||
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On July 23 2014 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You know why I'm getting mad? I'm getting mad because you're acting like a fucking idiot and you don't even realize that you don't know what you're talking about. I dare you to try and lynch me for sheeping. Go ahead. Fucking do it. Not for sheeping. Because you can't substantiate yourself. If you can, why aren't you doing it already instead of getting mad? | ||
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On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote: Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable. On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote. Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? Sure, sorry, I guess the style comes from more fsat phased video mafia. Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people. Anyway, what's your read on Obi? The whole sheeping kush thing I did to apply som pressure, and imo he's reacting badly to it. I still stand by what I've said about him doing jack shit about providing any content, though, and him callin me a moron, retard and an idiot instead of giving reads or askng any relevant questions looks really bad for him. I want to see if he actually commits to calling me a moron for the rest of thr game, though. | ||
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On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote: I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys. Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that. So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it? | ||
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On July 23 2014 12:36 Navillus wrote: Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another. What does this say? | ||
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On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote: Did you read it? That's why. Xatalos isn't retarded you know. I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game. To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc? | ||
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On July 23 2014 17:51 Koshi wrote: I am just going to call all those people jubjubs. So you're not interested in finding out people's alignment based on how they're pushing on someone who you think is town? Palmar, what do you think of damdrad? I feel like he's making similar mafia posts. | ||
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On July 23 2014 18:31 Vivax wrote: Palmar am I doing this right? Your instructions weren't very clear in the qt. Trolling in your first/second post is fine but keeping it up without providing any real content is pretty scummy. I could totes see you two distancing each other. | ||
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Will reread a little bit later on. So far I'm okay with keeping my vote on Obi. Navillus didn't have too good of a follow up but I still find Obi's responses scummier. I'll focus on Xata, so if anyone has anything specific they want to know, feel free to ask. | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote: I laugh everytime someone says that someone defending them and being correct when nobody else is makes them probably towny when it should give you the opposite reaction ~_~ Anyway, I think navillus has potential and I'd rather keep him around over the likes of obi/teem/vivax. Vivax probably strongest mafia read for not giving a shit like usual mafia vivax, time will tell in the day though. You accuse me of the same thing Navillus has been doing, give him a pass and not vote on Vivax, who is your strongest mafia read. Well played. When someone says something you've been thinking about before you yourself say it out loud, I can see that person being on the same wavelength as I am, thus the town read. Most of your case is just pushing on me for asking people what I thought of Damdred. I was starting to read the thread, and I didn't like his entrance to the thread. Him being my first read, I asked others what others thought about him. Also, when I asked Palmar about him, I mentioned that I think Damdred is scummy. I -am- giving a read on Damdred, I think he's scummy. Kush doesn't interest me today, what I quickly saw from him was okay and nothing he did was particularly scummy to me. You're wasting time with me. Generally I get decent reads from people interacting with me, but your push on me solely because of giving unsubstantiated reads doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. I would much rather see you look at my interaction with Obi. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:32 Navillus wrote: I am going to keep trying to get conversation about things that I think I can make reads off of, but my last thought is the votes on me happened very fast with not much said. Palmer seems fine, he made a real case and I honestly agree with his points for how that post looks, it's a bad post. But not bad enough to deserve 2 or 3 people immediately bandwagoning with literally no elaboration. On July 23 2014 19:31 Chopin Liszt wrote: so why are we lynching navillus? Why do -you- think we shouldn't? You voted on him with Palmar, and are now giving him a pass. Navillus, What do you think of CL? If the bolded is true, I'd rather hear your thoughts on the alignments of the people who did that. On July 23 2014 04:27 Chopin Liszt wrote: You must have very long dreadlocks All you do is speak in paradox ##vote ObiWanShinobi Funny that I see this only now. I thought about pointing this out as well while I was on my phone. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:44 Xatalos wrote: Koshi: Navillus has posted a ton of opinions, but don't you think they're pretty inconclusive and weak? Granted it's D1, but some of his posts feel like... "It could be X, but it could be Y" leaving his options as open as possible. + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2014 18:48 Xatalos wrote: Navillus could be scum. Reasonably likely is. His posts are pretty inconclusive and weak despite having a lot of text. Leaving a lot of options open for future actions. On July 23 2014 19:42 Xatalos wrote: Well, kush is 100% correct and probably slightly towny for that. ObiWan doesn't look too bad. He seems more frustrated than scared of pressure. I don't like the way he complained about the thread atmosphere several times. Posts like that are just... useless and potentially scummy. +some other wishy washy posts. On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. This literally means nothing. You talked about your scum meta in other posts as well, and I haven't really liked your other posts either, you haven't really taken a strong stance on anyone alignment-wise either, while not trying to figure out alignments either ("person X appears as scummy when town and person Y is hard to read, just give him a pass"), and I think you're being a bit hypocritical by doing it. It's like, you're leaving your options open. You're on my radar. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything this game. Literally nothing. I wouldn't be too bothered with Palmar doing nothing but he made this shitty case on Navillus so he is on the table. I also know I somewhere said it wasn't shitty but now I think it is shitty because I read Navillus his filter. What about his case was shitty? | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything this game. Literally nothing. I wouldn't be too bothered with Palmar doing nothing but he made this shitty case on Navillus so he is on the table. I also know I somewhere said it wasn't shitty but now I think it is shitty because I read Navillus his filter. Just noticed this. Let me rephrase the question. What about Palmar's case was bad until Navillus had his follow up posts? Why can't TL have some kind of avatar/profile picture system. It's sometimes harder than necessary/confusing to differentiate between who's posting what. >_> | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:38 Chopin Liszt wrote: How is that anything like what navillus has been doing? He's backed up his scum reads with quotes and evidence and pointed people in directions and then asked people what they think of the people he was discussing. You just questioned people on damd and then gave only a "he's scummy" reason, which is not a reason. Vivax is a scum read for not doing anything but that can change based on what he does later in the cycle hence why he's not being voted over you. Why does that matter anyway when you've already stated that you don't take meta reads into account at all? I'm talking about pre-Palmar's case, the one you jumped on, remember? I can't predict the future, you know? All Navillus did before that case was say that 1) there wasn't anything odd about Damdred, 2) give the wishy-washiest non-content read on you and 3) called Xana scum/said his list was bad for the same reasons everyone else has. It's your own problem if you don't think it's a reason. If I think there's a potential scum somewhere, of course I want to hear people's reads on the person. Might be pretty useful later on if that person turns out to be mafia, y'know? I get my reads the way I do and I could care less what you think of how I do it. You yourself said that he is your strongest scum read. You're using superlatives, which indicates he is the person you think is the most scum. I thought that was kind of clear to everybody. Meta reads != people becoming more active and improving their play during the game By meta reads, I mean I don't care if you think you know how someone plays mafia/town. I haven't played with almost anyone here, thus I can't accept/disprove when someone here talks about X person's play. Your case is so weak at this point and the fact you're harping on the fact that I was asking questions makes me think you're either mafia trying to push a miss lynch or bad town, in which case you should just let your hydra partner play solo from now on, which would also make it easier for me to read you. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote: When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on. And those questions were not made to be ignored. I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide. Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well. You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though". I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were. I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote: Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:39 Chopin Liszt wrote: Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores. Chopin If this is how hydras play out (in terms of how hard it is to read that person) I probably will never want to play with a hydra in the same game. Which one of you was the one who pointed out Obi's hypocrisy earlier in the game or was it Liszt? Which one of you was the one who made their case on me and pushed on it? Is every post that isn't signed by Chopin made by Liszt? I'm so confused. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote: Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words. I give him a townread. The end. Great way to approach the game, keep it up. You'll get really far with this. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:43 Chopin Liszt wrote: You agree with Vivax, little Teermursu? In the battle royale with Koshi, you have the view That Koshi is the evil, the bastard, the swine and Vivax is dandy, splendid, and fine? I tell you this, I'll make it breve I hope this, I can achieve It may be two fine composers, a simple misunderstandin' but if one is malign, it is not our Belgian. Chopin I'm not sure about how the alignments go for Koshi/Vivax yet. I see that they've been fighting a little bit, but I haven't really read that stuff with thought yet. So far I want to lynch Obi, okay with lynching Xata and Navillus and you I'm now unsure about. That's mostly agreed. If you weren't a hydra player, I'd read you pretty scummy. Not because of just flipping reads, but because you're not substantiating the flipping. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: Liszt, Liszt, no. Liszt's posts should be obvious now that he has revealed himself as the famed mafia player, Holyflare. Chopin What if I said that I've heard his name like twice and that I've never seen or read him play nor played with him? How do you expect me to read you still regardless of how obvious it is to you? I can answer the rhetorical question, just because: I can't. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:03 Vivax wrote: Don't think Obi is scum for what it's worth. He is a very nervous/demoralized mafia player, at least in his past games. Don't see it fitting for him to throw around votes and joke and be generally rather carefree if he was scum, like when he came out begging for a townread jokingly. Again, meta reads in this game are almost worth nothing to me in this game. I could weigh in a confirmed town's opinion, I guess, but even in video mafia people tend to be wrong often. To address the jokey nature, I can't really read town from that. As I said previously, being jokey and trolling in the first couple of posts is fine, but when it's most of what you're doing and you keep it up for longer, I read it scummier or non-alignment indicative at best. I've spoken up about him and I've said other things than just him sheeping Kush's read. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:15 Vivax wrote: Teemu, could you give me your opinion on this post about Koshi chopin is trying to blow out of proportion. I feel like what he's doing is scummy but I'd like the view from another party observing the interaction. I'll read Koshi v Chopin v you interactions later on. Right now I need some food and the legend rank in Hearthstone. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote: I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half. Idk, I feel like both you and Koshi are town, as much as I'm starting to agree with you on Koshi (not too much about the timing on his vote on though). I'm not sure about Chopin's alignment. I don't think I can read hydras too well. He still gave an He still gave an opinion on I was making a longer post, and I accidentally lost it, and I'm not really in a mood to rewrite it. >_> On July 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: never seen kushmasta this town. Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred). CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good.. Navillus post badbad. ##vote: Navillus Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos? Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff? --- Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid. but Koshi for reals what the fuck? There's a post by me about him somewhere previously, if you've read through the thread, you'll find it.. Also, who is Cava? On July 24 2014 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: this is one of those funny games where the people "scumhunting" are more likely to be scum. with 3 mafia only you have to really shit on the thread and make it unreadable or you will just lose. The fuck? Are you... joking? This is your contribution after being asked, for example, your reason for voting on Haru, which is literally the only thing you've done in this game? How are you expecting to win as town? If not by scumhunting, you're saying we should not post at all, throw out a half-assed non-content post about how doing towny things somehow implies being mafia? If you're town, you still realise there's a difference between scumhunting and posting as mafia? Who is shitting the thread and how are they making it unreadable for you? mafiamafiamafiamafiamafia ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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Those people include, VA, Obi and maybe Damdred. | ||
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On July 24 2014 01:47 Koshi wrote: We should lynch mafia. Like Vivax. I don't think Vivax is mafia. So far you're not convincing me either. I agree with him calling you out. Why am I not mafia to you? From your pov I've been siding with Palmar and now Vivax too, yet you read me as town? | ||
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He still gave his opinion both Koshi and you instead of kind of poking at you in a obviously scummy manner, so I didn't think too much of what he said about you not being blunt enough with you calling out Koshi. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:06 GlowingBear wrote: I'm catching up. It seems that you guys wait until I sleep to start talking. Just wanted to say here that Teemu, at least until page 25, is playing EXACTLY like his scum play on my first game. Looks like contributing but ask repeated questions about a specific player to draw attention on him (that game, meatpudding; this game, damdred) and maybe persuade someone to build a case on him to jump on the wagon, and mislynch him. Teemu. You ooze mafia perspective. Funny how mafia managed to change focus in Xatalos to something else. I'm keeping my vote on him, he has done nothing that would confirm town to me. Great, another meta read I can't respond to. Read the rest of the game and come back to me then. Why do you need a confirmed status for Xata so that you can vote on someone else? Once you catch up, tell me if you still think he's mafia. I honestly think there are better people to target right now than him. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:09 Xatalos wrote: By the way, my real name is Teemu so it's kind of disturbing when you call Teemursu as "Teemu". Hi, Teemu. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:08 Palmar wrote: You guys write way too much. I agreeee. Why is everyone fine with VA still breathing. I don't understand. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:15 Vivax wrote: Leave him to the vigs and talk about something we have information on instead. Unless a vigi hard claims to shoot him or people start voting on VA, I'm not going to not vote it & complain about people not voting him. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:23 Teemursu wrote: Unless a vigi hard claims to shoot him or people start voting on VA, I'm not going to not vote it & complain about people not voting him. change my vote* | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:53 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. Gonna dive you and Vivax when I get to the computer Can you dive me too, please? | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:36 Palmar wrote: Koshi|3576 Vivax|3230 Navillus|2906 Teemursu|2837 Xatalos|2132 raynpelikoneet|2017 These are the players that have written more than 2000 words in this game. I think we should just not lynch them. I disagree, high word count + a lot of fluff, null, lack of scum hunting/forming town circles properly = generally mafia. Mafia can be active too, y'know? | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:38 Palmar wrote: breaking out the statistics, that's what this is What do the numbers mean in the first stats? | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:40 Palmar wrote: Oh, sorry, I didn't know that, thanks for letting me know. I'm pretty sure you're thinking I'm talking about the game in general, thus the sarcasm, but I want to make sure you understand that I'm implying day 1 activity too. | ||
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X = not Obi, not Xata. I just went through your filter and I'm getting a stomach ache. The only game I've played was mafia with you and my gut feel is that you sound similar to that time. A little bit. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't care. Guys, look at how town Obi is for not caring! Mafia are so self-aware and care so much when people call them mafia! Therefore Obi is not mafia! Had to make this post before someone else does. Now everyone can go back to thinking he's mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:52 Vivax wrote: Palmar please don't tell me your case on navillus was a dud cause I really believed in it. Why does it matter if someone else than you thinks it's a dud, if you believed in it? | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:55 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: ObiwanShinobi Too much attitude. Vivax still scum. Oh, hey, now you guys want to lynch him? Too late, VA is still technically confirmed mafia. | ||
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Yes, apparently, his filter. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:58 kushm4sta wrote: teemersu, are you familiar with his meta? shitcontent is null for him. I'm not familiar with anyone's meta and I don't care about anyone's meta. He is not posting. He is not contributing. His only "meaningful", single, post is scum indicative. If he actually is town, he is not going to be an asset to town. If he is actually town, he is going to be a huge questionmark later. If he is town, he is mafia siding HARD. Lynching him today is PRO TOWN. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:01 Chopin Liszt wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: batsnacks 1. No-one has mentioned him really (except Koshi calling him town for colors) 2. He's not done anything but has a reasonable number of posts 3. Just staring at the playerlist my eye kept getting drawn here. This makes him very likely mafia. Looking at his towngames, he has wonky accusations that he follows through strongly. In his most recent game he was mafia and struggled to be at all productive. Thank you for listening. Chopin Wait, he has posted words? | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:05 Chopin Liszt wrote: In your newbie game you went after people for quite superficial reasons. It feels like you're doing the same here, although I'm struggling to tell whether that's because you're the same alignment or it's just the way you play that you tried to mimic in your mafia game. Lynching a townie is never pro town. Do you actually believe this? Chopin Your question is dumb. It only has one correct answer. Still, he is not confirmed town. Why do you think he's townie? Feel free to show which of the reasons that I think someone is mafia are superficial. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:11 Chopin Liszt wrote: Of course it only has one correct answer. Therefore why does half your post run with that assumption? Chopin [QUOTE]On July 24 2014 05:02 Teemursu wrote: [QUOTE]On July 24 2014 04:58 kushm4sta wrote: teemersu, are you familiar with his meta? shitcontent is null for him.[/QUOTE] Mostly because of this. I'm also baffled as to how badly someone can play. Great question though, saw it coming too. | ||
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I think Obi is mafia I think VA is mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:14 Damdred wrote: Teemursu do you think obi is more town or do you think hes more mafia? Which lean are you taking right now? Also your post is not to good its never good to lynch into someone you aren't sure of, its not pro town to lynch a townie Why are you pushing this and what are you trying to get out of this? What you just said was mechanics fluff that is obvious to everyone. Why don't you instead divert your focus to the actual content that I've posted? | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:19 Chopin Liszt wrote: Re: superficial. For instance. You reach the conclusion, apparently extremely strongly here (mafiamafiamafiamafia) that Vayne is mafia for his post. Yet nowhere in your explanation do you allow for the fact that he could just be a terrible townie. You don't need meta (other than having played the game of mafia before) to know that there exist terrible townies. But there's no consideration for this here. There are other instances too, which I'll bring up if I decide that we're going to lynch you. But that isn't the case just yet. You've posted quite a lot, which makes me wary. But your suspicions in general I don't like. You can buy my favour by voting batsnacks the fake composer with me. Just last night I caught him trying to copy my work. Chopin My read is superficial because I'm strongly opinionated and don't talk about the fact that he could be a terrible town? Complaining/talking about the state of the game without contributing or trying to change the course yourself is highly scum indicating. I even tried asking him who is mafia and who's making the thread unreadable for him. He didn't respond and only made one post that was a troll. Again, what is making you think he could be town? | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:24 Damdred wrote: Whats so wrong with me asking questions about why you think someone is mafia or your leaning on someone? And then you get defensive about it? I will look into your content when I get to a computer, but I would like an answer or at least a glimpse into your thoughts I was addressing the second half of your post. | ||
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Not anyone at this point. I just thought the conclusion was faulty. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: Ok then address the first half and the followup question of why you think that they are mafia at this point I already did, I said he was mafia. Most of the reasons I've already said previously. Since you said you're going to read my filter, I'll just wait for you to figure that out for yourself. Since then he hasn't done anything productive. His reactions to people calling him out are bad. He thinks they're random/without reason, while he's not substantiating any (few) reads that he has. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: alright that sounds fucking dumb. lemme try again. i think your case on teemu is much stronger than your case on bats, so i can't understand why your vote is where it is atm. and i can't understand why YOU think your vote is better placed on bats than on teemu. What does this matter? | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't believe you are asking this... People vote for their top scumread, at least until EOD (consolidation). I feel like Shoppinglist is having you as more scummy as he does have batsnacks. therefore he should be pushing you and not him right? I'm not telling him who he should be pushing on, that's his own choice. Liszt's case on me earlier was bad. Chopin's case on me is meh, I don't really see either one of them being stronger than the other. Kush, did you say you think Rayn is mafia? Could you explain why? | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i dind't say rayn was mafia i just wrote it in my stupid list. and i changed my mind Ok. I'm off to bed. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what the fuck man? Can you answer me? I asked you a question and you give me a "could be maybe not" answer. Answer the question; do you think it's scummy or not he is not pushing you as per what i said? I thought I implied that I don't think it's scummy when I said that it's his own choice as to who he wants to pressure. | ||
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This is all assuming that a) he actually does think I'm scummier than bat (not you thinking that) or b) I'm his strongest scum read. I could see what you mean if b) was the case but other than that this whole thing feels meaningless to me. | ||
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Chopin, who do you think is mafia besides bat? I'll read your answer in the morning, off to bed now for realsies. | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:02 HaruRH wrote: Hahaha I can say with more than 50% certainty that glowingbear is town. He does all his towntells (pushing people that are hard to push, posting long posts full of content etc) and from my experience, town. Teemu, not so. You're doing what you did in newbie mafia Then why aren't you pushing/voting me or trying to figure out my alignment? | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: i can give you a hint. palmar is town, so is VA. damdred and batsnacks look like mafia. Why is VA town? | ||
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On July 24 2014 16:07 HaruRH wrote: Xata deserves my attention for actually posting scummy, while you're just a gut read that could be baseless. So you're going to be posting only about one person day 1 (who also has the biggest voting wagon going on) and not try to figure out anyone else? Oh Haru.. | ||
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On July 24 2014 15:20 Vivax wrote: Besides I'm not sure yet whether I should scumread you but that one gave me a bad impression. Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't? | ||
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Point is, there shouldn't be any should or shouldn't. you either do or you don't. | ||
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On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote: Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far. If you're town, could you stop being lazy and fight this lynch? Who do you think is mafia and why? You haven't given a clear scumread so far. I already accused of you being hypocritical for leaving your "options open" while accusing Navi for the same thing. Now that I read through your filter properly, I haven't seen you push ANYONE. | ||
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On July 24 2014 17:45 Vivax wrote: Aaaand I'm still open to the idea of lynching Koshi, be my guest if you feel like joining me in my efforts and do some analysis on him for yourself. Most people I talked to about him seemed to see the him vs me thingy as a secondary issue (Rayn and Teemu). On July 24 2014 17:45 Vivax wrote: Aaaand I'm still open to the idea of lynching Koshi, be my guest if you feel like joining me in my efforts and do some analysis on him for yourself. Most people I talked to about him seemed to see the him vs me thingy as a secondary issue (Rayn and Teemu). At the time when you were fighting, I was reading both of you as town. I still need to go through both of your filters after the fight, but I wouldn't want to lynch either one of you today anyway. Do you actually think Xata is scum? I agree with you that Xata's playing really passively, not pushing anyone etc, but I'm still not like convinced convinced that he's mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote: VIVAX IS 100% SCUM? 100% SCUM Do you have a cop check on him? If not, again, you're not convincing anyone by just mostly making posts like this. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:10 GlowingBear wrote: I don't like koshi's post at all. They are all rubbish. CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who. Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3 Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia. If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR What do you think of Haru, then? | ||
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I'm agreeing a lot with your list a lot but some of your posting has been kind of shit. I kind of wish you could just explain some of your mafia reads better. | ||
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I'm also a little paranoid if both GB and Haru are actually town. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:20 Vivax wrote: Enough of the smurfhunting, I know who it is cause of one particular post but I won't spoil his fun cause I can't stop chuckling at the turn the thread took. So instead of saying who you think it is and make him easier to read, you're keeping it as a secret for your and his amusement? | ||
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On July 24 2014 17:36 Teemursu wrote: If you're town, could you stop being lazy and fight this lynch? Who do you think is mafia and why? You haven't given a clear scumread so far. I already accused of you being hypocritical for leaving your "options open" while accusing Navi for the same thing. Now that I read through your filter properly, I haven't seen you push ANYONE. Could you, please? I feel like you're given all the chance to prove you're town and fight the lynch, but instead you're going down like you've accepted it already. Your whole filter is just random fluff with no direction. It's such a bore to try to read it. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:38 Chopin Liszt wrote: Honestly this is the best reason I've seen so far for Xatalos being mafia. Me too, and the fact that it's close to being the only (good) reason is bothering me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:42 Xatalos wrote: Oh, there's only 3 hours left. What's the vote count? All you need to know is that you're about to get lynched. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:52 Chopin Liszt wrote: Assuming this is correct, all the votes in red are effectively useless right now. That's 2/5 of the votes being cast on people who aren't getting lynched. Can we fix this please. Damdred has a good chance of being mafia. Better than Xatalos. Haru is not mafia. Votes on Vayne and me are silly for differing reasons. Just looking at this, Obiwan might be mafia. He's practically let this day slide by completely. I would support a lynch on Obiwan. ##Unvote ##Vote ObiWanShinobi Let's do it then. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:43 Koshi wrote: How the fuck is Xatalos being lynched while all big filters are not on him? Yet there is almost no resistance. Which doesn't make Xatalos town in this 13 vs 3 setup ofc. It just makes all the big filters scum. Explain it to me like I'm an idiot. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:10 Chopin Liszt wrote: Better question: you tell me why he might be town I'm better at scumhunting. I'm pretty bad at forming towncircles/finding town. Just because someone isn't the towniest town doesn't warrant a lynch to me. I'm not switching to Damdred if I'm not convinced he's scum. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:15 Koshi wrote: Damdred is doing absolutely nothing just like he was doing absolutely nothing in Storm 2. Vivax knows that he did nothing in Storm 2. Still he pushes Damdred for doing nothing here. Vivax, What is the difference between Damdred in Storm 2 and here? Both Vivax and Chopin are voting for him. Do you not feel like you'd be mafia siding if you voted on Damdred? | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:20 Koshi wrote: You are supposed to read the thread. Chopin made a vote count. It looked pretty ok. Yeah, but getting them regularly and often in the newbie mafia game was so nice. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote: The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town. So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:31 Xatalos wrote: I don't think me claiming would serve much purpose. Mostly those who are active in the thread don't want to lynch me anyway and it'd just make things easier for scum. If you're a town sided role, please, claim. | ||
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Koshi, if you're town, you have to realise that Vivax is almost guaranteed not going to get lynched today. I feel like we need to decide who to lynch between Obi/Damdred if we don't want to lynch Xata. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:15 Teemursu wrote: Damdred, if you're here. I want to hear what you got out of the questions that you asked me. I addressed everything you wanted me to address and then just started lurking. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:37 Xatalos wrote: There's still 2 hours of time before the lynch? Well, I can lynch ObiWan. He showed little interest in me being the main wagon despite (slightly?) townreading me. ##Unvote ##Vote ObiWan Oh, I thought there was like less than an hour. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:40 Vivax wrote: Don't wanna generalize but I've seen mafia lynched for posts like these. I don't care, I'm not mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:40 Vivax wrote: Don't wanna generalize but I've seen mafia lynched for posts like these. What's your point with this? Do you think I'm mafia? If so, please elaborate. If you think, as you said previously, that I'm town or "the light that you see", why throw random scum at me like this? | ||
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Was Koshi right about you? | ||
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No, what you said was scummy. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote: Yea why not let's give it a try. Teemu why do you feel that town is in a terrible spot? How the fuck are we supposed to know? I'm not comfortable with the fact that Xata is being lynched while none of the people that are voting on him are here and while I don't find that person as scummy as others seem to do. Also what Koshi said about people with big di- filters makes some sense in my head. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:45 Damdred wrote: Yea once I actually read your filter I understood why you were on Obi and even without reading your filter I could see why you were on VA. Especially Obis random I don't cares and just showing up in the thread when hes mentioned it makes sense for more of a read towards mafia. I did play a couple games with him since I got here though, and his game so far has followed what he did as town rather than how he played as mafia not saying that he couldn't change though. Also whats up with asking bear his read on you then telling him to filter dive you? Just felt a little odd there... And no i'm not dipping out of the thread right now So.. do you think I'm town or mafia..? The best way I get reads is when people interact me. I'm terrible when I'm confirmed town. Also, I've only played with Haru and GB, so if there's someone in this thread who could read me better than someone else else, it would be those two. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:00 GlowingBear wrote: You want him to role claim but he can't because he doesn't have a power role and if he claims he will be counter claimed, being lynched. I'm pretty sure you thought this and that you are fishing for a blue. Clarifying: having town!xatalos fake claiming you will probably get a legit counter claim to be shot at night, and you also get a mislynch. Kill koshi. Now! ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi I just saw the vote and the first sentence, and I dropped my jaw. what. How do you know he isn't a PR? Like.. town!xatalos would never fake claim.. what. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote: LYNCH KOSHI HIS POSTS WERE OFF AND HE CLEARLY IS FISHING FOR BLUE The second part is so what that I would appreciate if you elaborated the first part. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:06 GlowingBear wrote: I can't be more clear. A fake claim will probably receive a hard push from a blue. Easy night kill for mafia. You're pratically forcing someone to counter claim. Fuck this 3G. GB, if Xata is VT and fake claims, he is literally THROWING FOR TOWN. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:08 Koshi wrote: And why are you suddenly massivily townreading your scumread to a point he can only fakeclaim a blue as town? Exactly. wtf. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:31 Xatalos wrote: I don't think me claiming would serve much purpose. Mostly those who are active in the thread don't want to lynch me anyway and it'd just make things easier for scum. On July 24 2014 22:32 Xatalos wrote: More information to help with night kill decisions. On July 24 2014 21:50 Xatalos wrote: I don't see a reason to claim. I'm usually terrible at reading softs, but if this isn't fucking softing then I don't know what is. GB, how can you be SO sure that Xata is just VT? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:14 batsnacks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: GlowingBear WTF | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote: I want Koshi and Teemu to explain me the scum agenda behind GB's new read. I don't fucking know. But how does he KNOW that Xata is just VT? In some twisted sense this could be him fishing for a role as well or something who the fuck knows. This is not making any sense and it came out of the blue. harhar. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:16 Vivax wrote: Would he know it as mafia? Seems to me like you two are making a drama out of a guy pissed at Koshi's rolefishing. Holy shit, every time you post I feel like I should be voting on you. gbs logic only makes sens if xata is vt anf him pushing it so hard is really fuckibg weird. seem to me like youre throwing random scum at joshi and me for this by asking retarded questions that arent leading anywhere and NOT TRYING TO FIGURE THIS SITUATION OUT. i am confused and koshi seems genuinely confysed, making me think hes town in this situation. and th more and more you post koshis push on you is making more sense | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:30 Vivax wrote: Yea but GB can't know if 1. Xata is town and 2. If Xata is a VT even if he was scum. So even if what he's saying doesn't make sense to you it doesn't make him scum. no shit. that shit is fucking obvious but it isnt making him town either. what the fuck is your point? i feel like you dont have one | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Xatalos wrote: I think it's the opposite. Quick and hectic situations are the best for figuring out who the scum are. i agree but you.not claiming if youre actually pr isnt helping the situation. claim and see how the votes go THEN. if your mafia please dont claim and get lynched | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:36 Vivax wrote: The point is you and Koshi went apeshit over something that shouldn't have made you do that, since apparently it's obvious to you it doesn't make him scum. is there a fucking law that states that town mustnt try to panic when.something nonsensical happens? you still dont have a point. is us going apeshit make us town or mafia? right now youre just wasting time by sayibg what koshi or i should or shouldnt do | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:40 Koshi wrote: Teemursu confirmed town for arguing when on phone. please give me a keyboard | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:41 Xatalos wrote: I'm a Passenger OR a Prepared Passenger. That should be enough information, although I think it's already too much. Happy? someone who k.ows more other than koshi please explain. i guess koshi could orchestrate this with xata, highly unlikely but idk. gb whats your reaction now xat town or maf koshi town or maf i think i want to lynch.viv now | ||
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xata youre not helping town by doing this. if youre not mafia, mafia already will figure out what they do at night. youre just hiding information ffrom town and makin town more confused. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:55 Chopin Liszt wrote: According to the people voting Xatalos, his plan was to fuck around with claiming while making no sense and look absolutely terrible when he claims VT in the end anyway. This is not how mafia try to rationalize their way through claiming while they're being lynched. i kinda agree and i dont want to lynch xata today | ||
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koshi could chopin be mafia with.viv and thus not voting on him? i know its retarded to make aligbmet connection theoroes right now but i keep going from town to really unsure slash paranoid about him | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:05 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but I'm phone posting so I doubt anyone will ever hear it unfortunately. fuck that. do you think im drubnk or phone posting wuss | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:18 Chopin Liszt wrote: Vivax is a stupid lynch. Not as stupid as Xatalos, but stupid. Why? I think he's mafia. Him having a relatively "OK" amount of posts is not a good enough reason. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:21 Koshi wrote: I am not on vivax? I am also on phone atm and traveling home. Will be there before deadline Unvote Vote: Vivax LYNCH VIVAX YOU SCRUBS. I AM HIS ONLY SCUMREAD 70% AND HIGHER AND HE NEVER PUSHED ME. The bolded reminds me a little bit of my interaction with Haru today. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:24 Koshi wrote: Also. Xatalos is far from cleared. He never gave any fucking reads while being lynched. This veteran claim was maybe even too dumb to come from town. Like.... I see chopin his point. But this was so bad I still tjink Xatalos is scum. And he fucking left after that shit. I agree but we shouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:27 Vivax wrote: That's what you get for smurfing. Names and symbols are power on TL. Maybe you should tell us all who you are and to fucking get a grip. Koshi decided to not scumread you at all any more, just sayin. Kush, still waiting for you to compare Damdred's case with the one you find scummy from navi, doesn't matter if we lynch him anyway, I'd still like to know. ##Unvote ##Vote navillus Koshi is this true? | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:28 Chopin Liszt wrote: Because I have played 50+ games of mafia and never has the man with the longest filter on day 1 been mafia. I've played 50+ games of video mafia and an active person that's not even necessarily leading town has been mafia. What's the point? Also, my first forum mafia game I had a pretty long filter day 1 and I was mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:30 Chopin Liszt wrote: This is a forum. This is not video. "pretty long" != longest. I don't really see too much of a difference between anything you tried to make a differentiation with. In theory, yes, in practice, not so sure. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:33 Vivax wrote: I honestly don't even know why town teemursu would suddenly scumread me like that. Cause I made an observation about me seeing people getting lynched for posts like that, he suddenly feels like he has to kill me and is Koshi's best buddy. When he didn't even read his filter cause it's obvious that his scumread on chopin vanished. Try to lynch me, you fucker, try to lynch me and get lynched I dare you. Because you were posting without having a strong point about anything. You were asking questions and implying/throwing random scum at both Koshi and myself. You're not saying Koshi is mafia, you're trying to sneak that thought in by asking questions that either have only one obvious answer or that the person who answers it is kind of in a bad light. Kind of like asking if you have stopped beating your wife? | ||
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Idk, I read him play one game and played multiple games with him in video. Doesn't sound like him at all to me . | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: Palmar's last words were that Navillus was mafia. Stop it. Where? Also, I'm still correct in saying that. I don't even fucking know what the reason that Navi got lynched IS. I only know that a bunch of people sheeped Palmar, didn't say much about him afterwards and now he's lynched. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:56 GlowingBear wrote: That's exactly why I say koshi was pushing Xatalos for. So he could get a fake claim out of pressure. This is not math, you can't be sure no vt will fake claim to get himself saved. Koshi Teemu Chopin Also, Haru, you're on my scum radar. Come on, posting WOW NAVI GOT LYNCHED INSTEAD WTF a minute after night post is not okay. Battery is running flat. I'll be back in a couple of hours I'm the towniest town that has ever fucking towned here. Fuck that list. Koshi is also probably town, at this point I don't even care if I basically jumped into his pocket for free. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:57 Koshi wrote: Ok Vivax is also confirmed town for this: If you dare to insult town players after this monstrosity as scum you don't deserve any respect. Unless they are scumbuddies this is completely out of line. I'm not insulting anyone. Koshi was a terrible lynch and people making terrible decisions is not a reason to insult anyone. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:04 GlowingBear wrote: I can't stand having people calling "ridiculous ideas" what is actually decent logic. You may believe that a vt would never fake claim, that's fine. But saying that it does not have decent reasoning, I give up. People rather say "oh this is not his meta" like you guys are inside Friends sitcom "HAHAHAHA THIS IS NOT LIKE JOEY LOLOLOLOLOL" if you fakeclaim as VT, you're throwing the game, literally. it's against your win condition to do that. It's like intentionally lying as town throughout the game, not making a single read that you actually believe in, fake claiming cop and a red check on an RNG'd person in the game, not voting on confirmed mafia, or whatever. It's not a play, it's throwing. the. game. for. town. You simply don't do it. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: when is the lynch? LOL | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:20 Palmar wrote: Oh someone claimed? Then I don't have to do any work, just tell me who fakeclaimed and I'm going to policy vote him until one of us is dead. Thing is, that person won't die since you're not doing shit in this game. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well you think mafia posts include sheeping so I don't know how much faith I put into your analysis. Are you actually a brain dead retard? | ||
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On July 23 2014 16:43 Teemursu wrote: Sure, sorry, I guess the style comes from more fsat phased video mafia. Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people. Anyway, what's your read on Obi? The whole sheeping kush thing I did to apply som pressure, and imo he's reacting badly to it. I still stand by what I've said about him doing jack shit about providing any content, though, and him callin me a moron, retard and an idiot instead of giving reads or askng any relevant questions looks really bad for him. I want to see if he actually commits to calling me a moron for the rest of thr game, though. I regret not switching my vote back to you. Why are you playing this game? | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: God damn it shut up. Someone fucking vig Teemu so he stops talking. I point out how fucking wrong you are, and all you can say is "STFU"? You're obviously an amazing player yourself. Lynching all dat scum, etc. For the sake of your intelligence's reputation, I hope you're mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You didn't actually make it clear when or why I was wrong, you just kinda quoted a mishmash of posts for no particular reason and expected them to get some kind of point across. And I still don't know what that point is. If you quoted all that shit because I was wrong, then I simply don't see how they're related in any way. But it's not like it matters, because you have no idea what to do with that supposed pressure or how to interpret it since you've been trying to kill me all day anyway. I don't put any faith into your analysis, period. I don't need to. You don't need to know. You don't need to see. If you don't then just don't answer my posts? | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You're not making any sense at all. I think I'm comfortable ignoring you for now, yeah. Holy shit, I'll just spell it out for you. Palmar thing was partly a joke, it was a reference to what he's said earlier. Partly it's true. Mafia like to joke about themselves being mafia, in a sense. It's kind of related to guilty conscience. I never actually called you mafia for sheeping anyone. I did it to apply pressure. I later said that and you're obviously not paying attention. I didn't call you mafia because you've been rude as fuck. To see you act like this is so frustrating. Not doing shit and getting BM about people calling you mafia for reasons that they aren't actually calling you mafia, and then saying those reasons are bad or w/e probably shouldn't get you a town pass. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well you think mafia posts include sheeping so I don't know how much faith I put into your analysis. Like this is so much beyond saltiness I have no idea how I should be reading you anymore. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:48 Vivax wrote: What happened to those people scumreading me. Am I confirmed town now or what. Hope you take a good look at them if I flip tonight. And also at damdred, the guy didn't do nearly enough to redeem himself. Why would you be confirmed town? | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:49 Vivax wrote: Teemu your scumread is me. Attack me please, show me how you scumread me. Don't wanna generalize but I've seen mafia lynched for posts like these. Like holy shit that's such a mafia thing to say dfjgperjnghpr | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also for the record i have my 30th birthday this Sunday sodon't expect me to be quite active during tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday. If it's a problem you might just aswell vig me because i will get mad at people who call me mafia "for lurking". I'll read & post whenever i can but this game is not going to be my priority at that time. That being said Teemu / Xatalos. Are you guys (living?) in Helsinki during weekend? Let's meetup, i'll bring the champagne. I live in Espoo, so basically yeah. Sounds cool! | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:02 Vivax wrote: So this guy thinks I'm scum. He's so sure of it that when he has the chance to figure it out he prefers to troll me based on a comment I made against him earlier. That comment was like, saying that I once saw a man eat a bunny alive. And this particular bunny immediately thought he would be the next bunny and had to kill me before I did. But I didn't even say that I would kill him for it, I then said it was Holyflare eating bunnies alive for that. But no, still, I wasn't blunt enough that I wanted to eat him so he decided he had to side with Koshi in killing the drill sergeant that's trying to pull this goo of content out of the scumbags. On July 25 2014 01:49 Vivax wrote: Teemu your scumread is me. Attack me please, show me how you scumread me. This post reminded me of this. I've already explained my flip on you when I was on my phone. On July 24 2014 23:39 Teemursu wrote: is there a fucking law that states that town mustnt try to panic when.something nonsensical happens? you still dont have a point. is us going apeshit make us town or mafia? right now youre just wasting time by sayibg what koshi or i should or shouldnt do On July 24 2014 23:29 Teemursu wrote: Holy shit, every time you post I feel like I should be voting on you. gbs logic only makes sens if xata is vt anf him pushing it so hard is really fuckibg weird. seem to me like youre throwing random scum at joshi and me for this by asking retarded questions that arent leading anywhere and NOT TRYING TO FIGURE THIS SITUATION OUT. i am confused and koshi seems genuinely confysed, making me think hes town in this situation. and th more and more you post koshis push on you is making more sense I'm not going to filterdive you right now because I'm pretty frustrated with the lynch and just kind of want to play Hearthstone. I'll do shit d2. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So I guess I'm supposed to ignore all the times you tried to vote me and include me in your scumlists? Uhm, okay. You do what you want to do. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:08 Chopin Liszt wrote: i read it and it looked terrible because he was: a) talking to koshi like koshi was confirmed town previously ("hey koshi we need to lynch between obi/damd if not xata") b) a complaint straight after someone had switched their vote to one of the names he wanted to lynch Ok, and? How does a) b) make me scum? | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:17 Chopin Liszt wrote: mafia talk to people like they are confirmed town because they know they are confirmed town and if people are going after the people that you are scum reading then why on earth would town be in a terrible spot unless every suspicion you have put on people has been baseless? How does b) make me scum? I was talking to Koshi about who we should lynch because he was the only person at the time I found myself agreeing with a lot of his posts. The spot where I was with Koshi, Viv, GB and Xata, Koshi seemed to be the town in the spot while I had to re-evaluate who I wanted to lynch. If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:19 Vivax wrote: No followup on this wtf. And the reasons you gave happened long after the post you said looked scummy from me. Are you just being sloppy or why don't you include what you found me scummy for from the start? All of those reasons you gave just now is me fighting off your petty wagon. What am I supposed to follow this up with? The vote is making zero sense in all kinds of worlds. GB wasn't going to get lynched that day, what GB did wasn't mafia indicative (as YOU ALREADY SAID AS WELL). I feel like you're trying to find reasons why I'm mafia instead of actually thinking that Im' mafia. All those reasons I gave you while I was typing on my phone was at the time when NO ONE had actually read me as mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:35 Chopin Liszt wrote: For the record, I haven't posted since Holyflare said "I am back " or whatever the exact post was.Chopin Wait, this is interesting. Are you agreeing with Viv about me being mafia now, or was it Holyflare/Liszt? | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:48 Chopin Liszt wrote: It was HF who was scumreading you. But unlike with the Koshi thing, there are no beatings for that one from me. Primarily because you're pushing so hard/repeatedly about the people on Navillus being suspicious for doing so, when that only makes sense if the alternative(s) are mafia, which I don't think they are. Pushing the idea is ridiculous until you've resolved the alignments of the alternative wagons. Chopin You seem to make much more sense than HolyFlare. Could you just cut his head off and continue playing this as solo?` Thing is, I'm not calling out everyone who voted on Navi yet, I just think it wasn't a good lynch at all. Even if you don't think that Viv is mafia, we probably should've lynched either Damdred or Obi (in hindsight, which isn't really a great way to look at things). You don' t think any of the alternative wagons are mafia? Regardless of Navi getting ML'd and the people wagoning on him? | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:49 Chopin Liszt wrote: If this is the case why are you blindly throwing out blanket statements regarding people being mafia instead of refuting the cases made on you? Why is koshi now in your mafia containing list after you said he was your super town person? I'm apparently expressing myself really badly now when I'm tired. What I meant is that it seemed to be like a general consensus that there is mafia between us, since Viv, your hydra partner, GB and someone else are starting to build up cases against us, so they think there's mafia between us. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Koshi as town. Neither do I really care about refuting cases that are made against me. Viv's stuff is pretty bad and I answered to some of HF's stuff. I was pretty pissed off at that point and probably reacted really badly, but I don't really care at this point. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum? I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear? | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: in the post you said "one of these people are scum", then list Koshi as one of them and then call him town.... Just read this post. This is my opinion. I might have worded it previously like shit because I'm tired, had a really shit day and personal reasons. If you want to harp and badger me for expressing myself poorly, go ahead. If you want to lynch me tomorrow for it, go ahead and enjoy the 3KP @N2. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:09 Chopin Liszt wrote: If you think vivax is mafia then the case he made on koshi is fabricated and scum motivated. It's actually one of the better cases I've seen in a long time and you haven't even so much as said a word about it and still stick to koshi being a town read. I haven't read it yet. So what? | ||
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I don't need your opinion on the case to form my own read. Even if the case was good and would find myself agreeing with it in the future, I don't have the information now, so I'm reading Koshi as town because I haven't yet seen any evidence that would contradict the read. Is that some sort of a miracle to you? I'm not going to post seals just because I haven't caught up yet. Also, mafia can make good-sounding cases and it kind of comes back to your opinion on the case and my read on Koshi/Viv not having any relevant connection. | ||
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On July 25 2014 03:00 Vivax wrote: - He called you scum quite confidently earlier on and then entirely stopped caring about you close to deadline. Even said something about sheeping you by voting me when that was nowhere your intention, also he tries to glorify his former scumread. - First he says something about your vote on Damdred being useless, later says Damdred had to step up like promised after I explained why Damdred was scum, he even said what he was doing was worse than in Storm. Later, when he has to push me, he totally says that what Damdred is doing isn't scummy when compared to Storm, says he doesn't see the difference. Change of opinion is obviously of practical value so he can use it to paint me scummy at the same time by claiming that there's nothing scummy about Damdred I'm pushing. - Then goes again with threatening Damdred and acting as if he was scummy. - When asked about lynch option the only option is me.No compromises, he had multiple options from earlier, but it had to be me, the drill sergeant, his former scumread chopin becomes the guy we all should sheep. - When he gets mad at you for not scumreading me, then it's like something he should be expecting anyway since he claims to have read both of us as scum. He'd only get mad if he didn't manage to convince you thinking you're a townie. My 20000 ¢ How is this one of the better cases you've seen for a while? There is no evidence. I'm not doubting that some of these things have happened, but things can be taken out of context so easily as well. Like, I'm not interested in going back and trying to find everything that Viv is talking about. How can someone like Rayn read this and accept it as a good case, when he already admitted that he hasn't read most of EOD? | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:21 Chopin Liszt wrote: Let's just get this out of the way with a little exercise: A) i am reading vivax as mafia because: B) i am reading koshi as town because: I've expressed my opinions. Don't be as lazy as me and filterdive them or w/e, I don't care. I don't feel the need to convince you why I'm reading them as I do, when I was pretty loud and imo, clear as to why Viv was acting scummy EOD. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:32 Koshi wrote: And how was this not the most obvious joke/lie/lets just fucking lynch Vivax thing ever. Marv/HF weren't pushing Vivax in the slightest. This is the third time Vivax takes something I said and twists it into something scummy. 1) I clearly said why Navillus was town and Palmars case bad. Vivax turns it into something scummy. 2) GlowingBears says something retarded and I am scummy for thinking it is retarded. 3) That ↑ ---- This on top of all the other retarded shit he says like "Koshi stopped pushing me after the lynch was over", he fucking pushes me for being right on Navillus and stopping to push him AFTER THE FUCKING LYNCH. And I can keep going on why Vivax is scum but hosts decided that as soon Vivax was not up for lynch to end the day within 10 minutes and 25 minutes early so w.e. This bolded is what Vivax is doing. Too bad everyone is reading him town for it. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: what the fuck? where have i said that's agood case? Sorry, I keep expressing myself really poorly. Remove the word "How" from that sentence, and it might make more sense. I'm not saying that you did, I'm saying that the way case is made, someone like you can't know it's a good case since you don't know the context/don't see the evidence. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: WHY WOULD I WORK WITH YOU, YOU DUMB RETARD? YOU CALL ME MAFIA OR SHIT EVERY 3 POSTS YOU MAKE. Meh, Koshi, I wouldn't give up yet. Give it some time to cool off and come back later. We can still win this. Not -everyone- is going to instalynch you or me tomorrow just because CL and VIv have talked tonight. Not sure about the OGI, though. | ||
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On July 25 2014 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ehh.. i don't get you would feel the need to say "rayn would / wouldn't accept this" as you directly appeal to me in your post right? why? i just don't get it. You and what you know was just the first/a good example that came to my mind when I was trying to express my thoughts on the case. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:00 HaruRH wrote: Can someone convince me why chopinlist isnt scum? I can't. Idk if -Chopin- is mafia, though. What do you think of Viv? | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: how do you know what i know about any of the ppl in this game? You said you haven't read the EOD where most of the shit the case is based on happened. That is the context you're missing. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:04 Teemursu wrote: You said you haven't read the EOD (where most of the shit the case is based on happened). That is the context you're missing. Edited so I don't express myself as poorly as I am today again. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:05 Koshi wrote: And how is nobody taking any responsibility or even analyzing this incredible shitty Navillus lynch? There wasn't a case on Navillus except the one from Palmar that I fucking destroyed. Like how the fuck can Navillus get lynched out of fucking nowhere? I am traveling home and suddenly Navillus gets marv, Xatalos and Vivax on him. With fucking Kush & VA already on him. And then the fucking hosts decides that is the perfect time to give a 10 minute warning the game is over and 3 more retards vote Navillus without thinking twice. Like... There hasn't been a single case on Navillus since the one from Palmar that I destroyed but w.e let's lynch this guy. Even though he made a couple big posts since then that looked extremely town. Yeah wait, I already said he was 100% town. No need to repeat this shit for the shitters. But the funny part is. I AM THE ONE GETTING THE MOST FLAK FROM SHITTERS LIKE VIVAX BECAUSE NAVILLUS FLIPPED TOWN. BECAUSE I DEFENDED NAVILLUS AND WAS RIGHT. HOW THE LIVING FUCK?? HOW???? DID I MISS ALL THE FUCKING CASES ON NAVILLUS OR SOMETHING? WHERE ARE THEY? I haven't even started reading the rest of your post, but I already laughed out loud because of how ridiculously true it is. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:05 Koshi wrote: And how is nobody taking any responsibility or even analyzing this incredible shitty Navillus lynch? There wasn't a case on Navillus except the one from Palmar that I fucking destroyed. Like how the fuck can Navillus get lynched out of fucking nowhere? I am traveling home and suddenly Navillus gets marv, Xatalos and Vivax on him. With fucking Kush & VA already on him. And then the fucking hosts decides that is the perfect time to give a 10 minute warning the game is over and 3 more retards vote Navillus without thinking twice. Like... There hasn't been a single case on Navillus since the one from Palmar that I destroyed but w.e let's lynch this guy. Even though he made a couple big posts since then that looked extremely town. Yeah wait, I already said he was 100% town. No need to repeat this shit for the shitters. But the funny part is. I AM THE ONE GETTING THE MOST FLAK FROM SHITTERS LIKE VIVAX BECAUSE NAVILLUS FLIPPED TOWN. BECAUSE I DEFENDED NAVILLUS AND WAS RIGHT. HOW THE LIVING FUCK?? HOW???? DID I MISS ALL THE FUCKING CASES ON NAVILLUS OR SOMETHING? WHERE ARE THEY? This is why I said the Navi lynch was so fucking bad. I was too frustrated to express it out loud, but these are basically my exact same thoughts. Koshi, if you by some miracle are mafia, well played, I'm 99% in your pocket. | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:18 Vivax wrote: Just take your time with catching up I don't want to really repeat stuff that is fairly visible in my filter. We aren't in a hurry now. Why are you trying to make it sound like town is in a good spot when we've miss lynched and mafia will have 3KP tonight? It's like you're trying to ease someone into not being cautious. Kinda wanted to post this before I go to bed. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:21 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, calm the fuck down man, jeez. I got pissed off but now my head is cool. Useless to analyse vote during night time. It will just give ideas to mafia about who to kill. I've already untunneled you, so, why don't you smile? Do you still think I'm mafia? You're really the only one I want to hear reasons from as to why someone thinks I'm mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:37 Koshi wrote: Like this list is so fucking gold it is scary. And I had to work with the shitters D1 like Palmar/rayn/VA. GB also dumped some retardation in the thread endgame but what can I do? Vivax has lied this game so many times. It is scary. And he says so much dumb shit. Obiwan is his cocky self and refuses to solve this game. Somewhere he changed his play and became this new thing. Out of all people he is probably the best plynch and that means a lot if you have the D1 shitters like Palmar/rayn/VA. Xatalos has done nothing this game, had most of the votes on him the entire game and then 3h before the lynch. (less because hosts decided to fuck us in the ass) to start softclaiming blue and do nothing else. Then 2 hours before the lynch he claims veteran because he wants to get shot by scum. And then a bit later he claims he was actually just a VT. And in the 3 hours before the lynch he did absolutely nothing except vote Navillus because WHO THE FUCK KNOWS. Chopin Liszt Isn't off this list till he solves the game. Which is how we always approach marv. Which is why we can talk to him as if he is town. Because he most likely is. Unless he doesn't solve the game. This time he has a retardation handicap. Which will make it really hard for him to be taken serious if he survives the night. But who do we lynch? NAVILLUS. WHO COULDN'T be more town if he tried. LIKE WHERE ARE THE CASES ON NAVILLUS? READ HIS FUCKING FILTER. SO FUCKING TOWN EXCEPT ONE POST. WHICH IS THE ONLY POST ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT. So, fucking, much, town. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: You want to know if I think you're scum. I only thought you were scum for completely discrediting my logic against Koshi. I thought you were trying to change the focus I've dropped on Koshi. Like a scum partner would do. But it seems NOBODY agrees with me. I don't believe I have divine intelligence, so, I can be wrong somewhere. So I decided to not tunnel him. Therefore, if I decided to not tunnel him, it means that you were trying to defend a possible town, so you are somwhere around null to me. Can you start making hard pushes or hard cases on people? Like, diving and bringing thoughts? I hate when you start asking ton of questions to everybody and engage useless arguments I'm in a bad mood today. It's cool, I was kind of in a bad mood as well. I'm kind of tired and calming down now, like I've been hit by a tranquilizer dart. I'll be more useful tomorrow, unless I'm going to be just sleeping at work since I can't get any sleep now. Thing is, when you came out with your thing on Koshi, it came so out of nowhere and I've said this before a lot of times, for someone to accept that logic, you'd have to literally KNOW that Xata was just VT in that spot and VT's should literally almost never fake claim (like I get role swaps and such but outside of those) to save their own asses. If you can't see that as a true statement, Idk what else to say really. | ||
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On July 25 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote: I actually have a clue, rayn, but it's not worthy talking about that at night LOLOL Remember when I was mafia and you said I might be a blue, I told you you probably shouldn't say things like that in the night? Pls, GB. :D | ||
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On July 25 2014 09:01 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, I do get the critics to what I've brought. I just thought that it was a fair conclusion that Xatalos wasn't blue. Suggesting him to claim was okay. Voting him so he would get lynched unless he claimed? Not ok, sorry. Never seen this before. "CLAIM OR DIE". It felt blue fishing. But again, I do understand the critics. I just felt it was a better guess atm. Right, I kinda get it. Thing is, we kinda needed him to claim if he actually is a PR. I guess it can look like a bit scummy to vote on someone who is possibly PR, but not claiming would've been beyond bad (it's literally what he was suggesting in some of his posts). | ||
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On July 25 2014 09:06 Koshi wrote: 6th he's calling you a fuckface, not mafia. | ||
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OK. I'm not taking part of any of the talk about BM anymore, not even Obi, if he thinks I'm a moron and wants to ignore me the whole game, that's his way of playing the game, he'll either get lynched for it or not. Gotta calm down about this game and get focused. | ||
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VA, I didn't rage at you. You were playing scummy and I called you out on it. Imma be awake and posting moar in an hour or so. Currently just on my phone omw to work. After I actually wake up with some coffee, I'll post something that might actually require thought. Are the muricans still awake? | ||
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On July 25 2014 14:38 kushm4sta wrote: what's wrong with killing someone for sheeping? I really want to leave this topic behind, but I have not said that Obi is mafiafor sheeping you. I said it to apply pressure. | ||
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On July 25 2014 12:47 VayneAuthority wrote: bored so made a list post completely null - palmar, chopin, rayn hard to believe they are scum based on meta - koshi, vivax scum plausibles - CR, HaruH, xatalos who are they - damdred, batsnacks, obiwan, glowingbear kush - kush some guy that raged at me - teemursu This be most of your contribution, yes? You voted on Navi to see if he "unlurks". Once you saw that he didn't, why did you not vote someone else? Did you actually think he was mafia? | ||
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On July 25 2014 15:01 kushm4sta wrote: right now im afraid chopin/rayn might be scummy but i really dont want to read their long ass filter :'( Read the stuff around EOD, like, from the time where some of us were starting to say that Xata's lynch is going down kind of quietly? Without reading the filter, why do you feel like Chopin could be mafia? | ||
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On July 25 2014 15:32 VayneAuthority wrote: no this is probably my worst contribution to the game as it is largely a joke. I rarely/never contribute day 1 because I prefer to work backwards. to the second question thats right in my filter actually, day ended early and didnt really have time to reassess it, happened too fast Well, it's day two and it'd be nice to hear something that's not a joke. Who do you then think is mafia and why? | ||
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On July 25 2014 15:37 VayneAuthority wrote: incorrect its still still night one, ive promised contributions after kills its all in the filter, redundancy bores me so im off to bed now and that isn't a joke! Woops, you're right. For some reason waking up in the morning makes me feel it's actually a morning in the game as well. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:33 Vivax wrote: I honestly don't even know why town teemursu would suddenly scumread me like that. Cause I made an observation about me seeing people getting lynched for posts like that, he suddenly feels like he has to kill me and is Koshi's best buddy. When he didn't even read his filter cause it's obvious that his scumread on chopin vanished. Try to lynch me, you fucker, try to lynch me and get lynched I dare you. Again, with the first sentence, you're IMPLYING I'm mafia, but not directly saying it. You've kept doing this constantly after I called you out on your bullshit questioning, and what Koshi expressed really well, "laying out traps". You're making me sound like I made a snap-flip about my read on you. This isn't true. I pointed out multiple times where you've been doing this, and after you started OMGUSing me, I decided to vote on you instead of Damdred or Obi. Koshi's scumread never vanished on Chopin, and you're outright -lying-. I'm not getting lynched at all because I am town. You, on the other hand, we'll see about it. | ||
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On July 25 2014 15:49 HaruRH wrote: It is roughly another 10 hours right? Ask me anything teemu. Roughly yeah, Idk what to ask. I've been asking a lot and not following up enough, so I wouldn't mind answering some questions either. If you want me to start, what do you think of Viv? Especially now since Chopin seems to be your strongest scum read? | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:26 Vivax wrote: Lies, this was your opinion on Koshi & me at the time: None of these posts imply a strongly imply my opinion on either one of you alignment-wise, kind of awkward to quote these posts and call me a liar for nothing. | ||
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Most of Viv's accusations on me is that I'm "buddying up" with the person who was going hardest against him and that I haven't at times expressed it clearly enough that I'm starting to read Koshi as more town. As I said previously, Viv is trying to find reasons that I'm scummy for, not that he actually finds me scummy. If he did, why didn't he push and make cases on me earlier? He literally only talks about me with the underline that I'm scummy, but he never said it until the very end of EOD. | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:08 HaruRH wrote: Vivax lies. Chopin (hf) is an asshat. Xatalos is so scummy I need to redefine scummy in my scumdictionary. Rayn is raging but probably town. koshi is town. glowingbear is town. CR pops in and out. Probably not scum. VA... well, I can't read him. Teemu is a null read. Kush town. obiwan stinks scum. Batsnacks mia. Palmar... null. damdred probably town. Cases on him weak. Don't really think I have anything great to comment about this, maybe other than that the two first names you haven't said the alignment of. Do you think they're both mafia, or? | ||
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On July 25 2014 10:29 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't understand why we lynched Navillus instead of Xatalos. Chopin, can you explain to me why you thought Xatalos was town all of a sudden? CR, did Chopin answer this? | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:17 HaruRH wrote: I would feel safe lynching into the 4 scummers (chopin/vivax included). Btw scum please shoot me so I can prove I'm veteran. Or else I wouldn't have dared to post shit d1. Wot, where did you claim? | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:17 HaruRH wrote: I would feel safe lynching into the 4 scummers (chopin/vivax included). Btw scum please shoot me so I can prove I'm veteran. Or else I wouldn't have dared to post shit d1. Are you hard claiming? Which instrument do you play? | ||
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On July 25 2014 14:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I'm still here. Just don't try to kill me for sheeping someone and we'll be cool. Did you ever respond to Vivax's case? You still here? I've responded Vivax's case about me. About Palmar I haven't too extensively, and I don't really need to. I don't need to defend him myself nor do I think he's really getting lynched. I looked at major point of the Koshi v Damdred interaction, and it didn't convince me. That's all I can really bother saying about it. | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:42 Teemursu wrote: You still here? I've responded Vivax's case about me. About Palmar I haven't too extensively, and I don't really need to. I don't need to defend him myself nor do I think he's really getting lynched. I looked at major point of the Koshi v Damdred interaction, and it didn't convince me. That's all I can really bother saying about it. About Koshi*, not sure why I wrote Palmar. | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:55 Vivax wrote: Yea, and you lied cause you said during this night: Implying you read Koshi strongly as town when the quotes suggest you weren't that sure at the time. That was when people were going apeshit, which is when I started reading Koshi as strongly town. Where am I not making myself clear? None of this is still making me mafia. Is this really all you have on me? | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:04 Vivax wrote: I'll just say that if you're town and think I'm scum you really need to learn to play this game, or at least sit back and show me if you can reassess and figure out that you're wrong. I'm pissed as crazy about koshi's push on me yesterday cause it was incredibly stupid, baseless and stubborn. It just stops me from being able to take a good look at the game when there are people constantly tunneling you for bullshit, who refuse to explain what they find scummy. And that you didn't realize that the way Koshi was pushing me simply was not townie, cause it was 90 % yelling and 10 % reasons, if even, and he refused to talk with me properly, and still does with others, is one of the reasons I want you to die, cause I just can't see how a townie could be so insightless and animal. So I'm giving you the chance now to take a look at my filter and actually explain to me what in it makes me scum, and what gives you doubts, or I'll just further categorize you as ungenuine tunneler not worth of being talked to but only to be pushed relentless. So you admit not having a good look at the game? I already have expressed why I think you're mafia. You thought Koshi is "70%" mafia and you didn't make a single strong case on him before or in the post you said that. You started thinking I'm suddenly mafia for reading Koshi as town, and yet you can't build a good case on me. Instead, all you do is harp on me for reading him as town and point out posts where I've said that I don't have a strong opinion on either one of you yet. Telling me to L2P isn't going to change your scummy play that I've addressed multiple times and that you haven't responded to yet. So what is the point of this post? Instead of "giving me a chance to read your filter and come up with an accusation", why don't YOU address what I just now posted on like p. 99? Wanting me dead because of how you think Koshi is treating you is probably even a weaker accusation against me than me town reading Koshi, LOL. If you think the way Koshi pushed on you wasn't townie, why didn't you push on me earlier for that? I did express at some point earlier in the day that I thought both of you were kinda town during your fight. Why didn't you question me for that? Instead, you tried to pocket me by saying "I was giving you light" and you for some reason wanted my opinion about Chopin accusing you for not speaking bluntly and actually calling people mafia, which is what I've been accusing you of right now. | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:21 Vivax wrote: That's not a case for me being scum that's a bunch of nitpicking. That's it? That's your defense? How is it nitpicking when I point out that you're going against me NOW for something I did a way, way longer time ago, and instead at that time ask me a question about Chopin and say I'm giving light to you? I can accuse for close to the same thing you accused Koshi for. You're scumreading me now because it suits your needs to stay alive and accuse me back. | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:22 Vivax wrote: You need to make something that is supposed to be convincing for the thread and not for me, so talk to the thread. Everyone will see this conversation and judge it for themselves. I'm confident that I'm getting my point across now and that I'm not expressing myself poorly, as I did when I was half-sleep deprived and frustrated with the game and real life issues. | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:25 Vivax wrote: Here's how you do it: (quote) Here we see how Vivax bsbsbs (quote) Then he bsbsbsb bs 1 and bs 2 make Vivax scum cause the scum motive was to bsbsbsbs I don't care how you think I should be making a case because everyone else will judge these posts by themselves, as you said is more important, right? If you don't want to respond to my accusations, and instead call them "nitpicking", that's your problem. As I've already said, everyone else will decide for themselves. | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:30 Vivax wrote: Yes, it is for everyone to see that you're not legitimately trying to figure out my alignment and push for my lynch properly, good job, come again. It doesn't matter that you think this. You're going to get lynched and everyone else will be doing it, not you. See? I'm going to try to get you lynched, and you're still not doing anything to get me lynched. That's what you committed to, though, right? | ||
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On July 25 2014 17:34 Vivax wrote: For me it's not just all about getting lynched who's pissing me off at one particular moment, it's about lynching scum, hence whyI gave you the chance to prove your push was genuine, so I could reconsider if it was a good idea lynching you. Wanted to see if you were a tunneled townie with real reasons and real intent or just a scummer shitflinging. Needless to say what feeling I get from this page. Your "chance to prove my push" was you telling me "l2p" and let go from my scum read on you, as well as telling me "how to make a case" against you, while in reality I have given a bunch of accusations against you that you haven't addressed yet. No wait, apparently I've been "nitpicking" all this time. To me this feels like you as mafia are trying to justify reading me as scummy. | ||
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On July 25 2014 19:21 Vivax wrote: Teemu ran away when I was trying to bring the argument to an objective level, since he just complained I didn't. Did I do anything wrong? To an objective level? Anyway, I got kind of swamped with work today. You see, working at a police office kind of means that you might get a huge workload out of nowhere. I'll get back to things probably on my phone again, whenever I'll be heading home. | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:30 HaruRH wrote: AHAHAHAHA 100% TOWN If you seriously dare to say this while I'm in this game, you're 100% town. Welcome to townville teemu. Lmfao, I knew you'd touch on this. | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:43 Vivax wrote: If I get janitor'd and one of Koshi or Teemu claims vig, lynch them immediately. Understood? Hey, I wanted to nitpick at you a little bit. Does this mean you're not going to kill either one of us in the night? That's ok, I guess. On July 25 2014 19:34 Vivax wrote: That would be true if he was a guy who scum has to fear, which I don't think is the case. Prime targets for tonight are me, chopin, Palmar. Assuming they are all town which I currently do. On the other hand scum also has to assume they are likely medic targets, or jk, or whatever we got. So if one of us gets shot they really wanted us out of the way, and badly, take that into account the next day. To get back onto more useful topics: Xata I have to admit that rereading the start of D1 you do seem scummy. Just so many weird things, starting with you deciding to not lynch Koshi for something he said in pre-game, then posting a list when prompted. Kinda tryhard but not really, same arguments I used on Damdred. I'm just musing right now and it's night but I'll assume it's my last just to be safe, do you see the reasons for why that looks bad? So you're just throwing scum at us again, without directly calling us mafia. This time you're using a WIFOM argument trying to make me look bad because obv obv obvi Koshi and/or I killed you in the night for you being SO onto us atm. Why do you feel the need to speculate about nightkills and what those "will" mean before they've even happened? | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:48 Vivax wrote: The most recent memory of his town play is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=Koshi&view=all Compare it. He's assertive, and genuinely tries to figure the game out, leaves back room for doubt. Asks the right questions. I'm almost certain this is scum Koshi at this point. [QUOTE]On July 25 2014 19:49 Vivax wrote: [QUOTE]On July 25 2014 19:43 Koshi wrote: Xatalos refuses to scumhunt.[/QUOTE] What happened to your aggressive push. I feel like something is missing in my life since I don't hear the angry mobster asking for my death any more. If you have legit reasons for thinking I'm town now, and not just the modconfirming silliness, then I need your opinion on Teemursu keeping up the push on the drill sergeant. Martial law might have mercy if you prove you were just on the brink of insanity and not able to control your actions.QUOTE] Huh? Back to work. | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:55 Vivax wrote: Teemursu is like the only guy in the thread that thinks Koshi is playing alright. If they aren't scumbuddies I don't know. We aren't because I am town. What next? | ||
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On July 25 2014 22:14 Chopin Liszt wrote: I don't know why people disagree with me when I am certain. I am always right when I am certain. Literally always. It's like the thing I learnt to do this year. Like there are so many players who guarantee this or that or say people are 100% alignments and more often than not they are wrong. But when I do that, they are the alignment I say. Because I am Chopin. Chopin Are you certain about my alignment? Am I town or mafia? | ||
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On July 25 2014 22:42 Xatalos wrote: Vivax is like the Jailor role in SC2 Mafia. Fun fact, there is an identical role except just mafia sided as well. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:49 Koshi wrote: This is where it all started. Here do you see why I am actually gold in this game and why Vivax is trash or scum. Somewhere you would like to think Vivax wouldn't be so obnoxious right? And I keep telling you people that Vivax is a liar this game. I already gave you 3 examples. If you didn't read them, look them up. Or take my word. I don't know if he does this as town but it isn't very townie. The last point on why Vivax is scum is that he tries to trap me into saying things that prove me scum. Now this could be comming from a townie, it also sounds pretty townie to do it, but I can just feel it in my bones that it is not coming from a townie and that the true intention is to let me say something I don't want to say. It is not a trap that a scummer would fall in. It is the kind of trap that is sneaky and let's you say something that you as townie clearly aren't thinking and therefore shouldn't say. I feel like Vivax knows this while asking these trap questions. It is hard to explain. Again, can it be that town Vivax plays like this? Maybe, but I doubt it. And maybe my 4th and last point is that I know that Vivax is wrong about me. And on top of that Teemu and I are connecting so fucking hard that I can only see him be wrong on him as well. Also, so many people see that I am obvious town, why is Vivax not accepting this? Why does somebody like Vivax thinks two scummers are just pushing him like this? It just feels all to wrong to me. Too wrong to be town Vivax. Oh, and a really last point. He says so much dumb shit. My eyebrows went up with at least 5 posts of him. Maybe more. Like not this guy is town and he said something dumb. More like: "I can't believe Vivax is town and makes this post." I will end all this with me acknowledging Vivax has a big filter and that that can be used to argument he isn't scum. Tldr: Why Koshi is town, and has been pushing Vivax: Koshi activilly tried to steer town away from a Navillus lynch. Vivax bashes him for it. Koshi votes Vivax and never let's go. Then some other stuff happened. But Navillus the obvious townie got lynched anyway. And Sentinel alone is to blame. I am 100% sure I would have gotten Obiwan lynched if I couldn't get more votes on Vivax within the first 10 minutes of the 20 minutes stolen from us by the host. I don't care how many votes Navillus in the end had. I tell you with 100% certainty he would not be lynched with 20 more minutes. No, I am 80% certain. It all kinda depends on how scum marv is and on how town Obiwan is I think. I will not scream that Vivax or anybody else is confirmed town anymore by actions by this host. But let it be known that the host lynched Navillus and that he is responsible for denieing the information of a Vivax/Obiwan vote switch. I now completely calmed down. I have never been so mad in this game as I was after that lynch yesterday. I must say that I somewhere respect and am thankful to Sentinel for not modkilling me. I think I might go look for a selfban endgame. But the blind rage I felt after the lynch. And it kept going on till I went to bed. I never felt it before. Pretty epic experience now that I look back on it. Now this game is tainted for me. Just like Noire was tainted. I still have this superupset feeling so maybe I can still care in this game. Maybe I will get shot. If scum has mercy on my soul. I am changing my TL meta from this moment on and I will try avoid making conversation posts or as I call them "game evolving posts" in the future. So don't expect small posts anymore. I might also not reply to Vivax if he keeps his shitty line of questioning up. Look at how he greeted me today. Oh well. I can't be too mad about that because I did push him like a maniac yesterday. Vivax/VA/Xatalos/Obiwan/batsnacks If I could shoot 5 now I think those are the ones. marv alignment can be seen after N1 or for sure after N2 simply by the fact he lynched scum and is alive. If it is D3 and marv is alive and never lynched scum. Just lynch him please. CR I simply can't read. I don't know why. Damdred is null but I can see him being town. Palmar is Palmar but I can see him being town. Somewhere if I really had to pick 3 Vivax/VA/batsnacks I don't know why these 3. The End? This fucking shit right here. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:46 Chopin Liszt wrote: I also have a vest. Chopin Does HF have one?  | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:47 Xatalos wrote: Whatever. The damage is already done. I'm just PASSENGER (VT). I was trying to bait scum into shooting me at night but now it'll be impossible. GB. I'll give my thoughts on Xata later. | ||
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Does it mean something that I'm the town cellist? Idgaf if this is a bad claim, but I want to confirm myself. I haven't used my power yet because I've been lazy. I have the exact same power as Rayn. Mafia, feel free to CC me, I will know that you're mafia and we can lynch both of us. I don't even know how my power is useful, so me not making use of it is kind of already bad anyway. If I take a bullet for a cop or w/e, it's even better. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: rayn made me so mad yesterday with that retarded town GB stuff. Can't believe he did it as scum. I haven't played with him but last night when I was about to go to sleep, his nitpicking and harping on weird things was so weird, I didn't really know what to think of it at the time, lol. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:21 Chopin Liszt wrote: now your cockiness makes more sense. ok. Because "I'm a new player with PR"? Lmfao | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote: Oh Xatalos. Now that Koshi and Teemu are flipped town on D2. What is left in Vivax his filter. I was laughing so hard when you said this, and I was already visualising this post. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: Let's get back to business. WHO IS NEXT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. I know someone. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:23 Chopin Liszt wrote: Not even "new player". When I can confirm myself as blue/town I am even cockier than usual. There is one game reasonably recently (i forget which) where I was blue and just trolled all day 1 because I knew I could always confirm myself as town. Not saying you were trolling mind you. That's fine. Is it just me or am I noticing a change in your tone? | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:24 GlowingBear wrote: Not using your power because you were lazy is an awful excuse. I would believe it if your activity was low, but it's pretty high. You're not lazy to post a lot but lazy to use your useful power? More than that, if we know cellists have the same power, you using that on me would make you 100% sure you're the cellist to a townie, it would be better if you used your power to contact me privately. It's better for a Prepared Passenger or a possible veteran to take the bullet for the cop. You brought NOTHING here. You're just fishing for blue. Look, if I'm mafia, the real cellist cc's me and we get one guaranteed mafia, thus, it's a retarded play as mafia. I can use my power on you no problemo unless there is someone else who can come up with a way for me to actually make use of it. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:26 Chopin Liszt wrote: ##Vote: Vivax Let's start with this, yeah. ##Vote Vivax Please, start squirming, I know of a room you really like. Want to squirm for me in there? | ||
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Good thing you didn't give up and modkill yourself yet, eh? | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:28 Vivax wrote: I'm not a squirmer, I'm a sergeant, you worm, so keep piling up those votes and show me your real face, your WAR FACE: Is this you giving up as mafia? | ||
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Also, sorry, Haru, I kinda really tried to take a bullet for you. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: I don't believe your claim, but I'll wait for your contact by night. If it doesn't happen you are confirmed mafia. Don't you even think of contacting anybody else. I want people to remember Teemu's promise. I thought I was bad with game mechanics. What is my motivation as scum to claim this role? Why wouldn't the real cellist then CC me and GUARANTEED get one mafia between two people? It's like a free different check from a parity cop. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:34 Xatalos wrote: I'd say it's less than 5%. Now that you know I'm confirmed town, and Koshi is very likely to be town. Who is mafia and why? | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:41 HaruRH wrote: GG I died GG, sorry I couldn't take a bullet for you. | ||
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On July 24 2014 07:49 Palmar wrote: rayn are you mafia? PALMAR? | ||
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Make it really adorable too. <3 | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:53 GlowingBear wrote: CR is actually suspicious Then go make a case on, him, hurry! | ||
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On July 26 2014 02:06 GlowingBear wrote: I've been really lazy and I was avoiding making big cases because people ignore the. *sob* but I'll do that 8 hours from now (it's the time when I get home to my precious computer) What does FoS mean? It's okay, now that I'm confirmed town, you're under my wing. People will listen to your case and so will I. | ||
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On July 26 2014 02:16 GlowingBear wrote: @teemu thanks it feels warm under your adorable peacock wingsRemember, you're not cleared. I said I will read the case as well. | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:52 GlowingBear wrote: WUT???? I'm sorry, then. I though I've read he was prepared passenger. It leaves it only to you. >] Unclaim it or I'm going to vote you Wait what, are you hard claiming prepared passenger? | ||
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I'm thinking if he's mafia and didn't expect to hit on a prepared passenger. Idk though what the motivation still is to claim it even with all the Passengers alive. I'm not really interested in counting the numbers, but could that claim carry to lylo if you lynch the two other real ones first? Idk. I'm a little under the influence of alcohol, so please don't take advantage of the confirmed town. | ||
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On July 26 2014 16:07 batsnacks wrote: VA claimed vigi I claimed vigi VA is scum Vote him immediately. Didn't someone rescind their claim? | ||
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Going to sheep Koshi here. I'll post more if needed once I'm done with playing video mafia. | ||
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On July 27 2014 16:46 Vivax wrote: Yay Obi. I was just looking for somebody to argue with. That's obviously a scummy post and makes me scum, push me pls. Ok ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:54 HaruRH wrote: When both chopin and koshi put me up as town, I knew I am definitely 100% dead since either of them is scum. So I tried to roleclaim etc. Yea teemu I loved that call of yours to tell me you're town :D Worked out gg | ||
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