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On July 25 2014 06:48 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. It was HF who was scumreading you. But unlike with the Koshi thing, there are no beatings for that one from me. Primarily because you're pushing so hard/repeatedly about the people on Navillus being suspicious for doing so, when that only makes sense if the alternative(s) are mafia, which I don't think they are. Pushing the idea is ridiculous until you've resolved the alignments of the alternative wagons. Chopin
You seem to make much more sense than HolyFlare. Could you just cut his head off and continue playing this as solo?`
Thing is, I'm not calling out everyone who voted on Navi yet, I just think it wasn't a good lynch at all. Even if you don't think that Viv is mafia, we probably should've lynched either Damdred or Obi (in hindsight, which isn't really a great way to look at things).
You don' t think any of the alternative wagons are mafia? Regardless of Navi getting ML'd and the people wagoning on him?
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The baseless discrediting is not helping your case.
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On July 25 2014 06:49 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. If this is the case why are you blindly throwing out blanket statements regarding people being mafia instead of refuting the cases made on you? Why is koshi now in your mafia containing list after you said he was your super town person?
I'm apparently expressing myself really badly now when I'm tired. What I meant is that it seemed to be like a general consensus that there is mafia between us, since Viv, your hydra partner, GB and someone else are starting to build up cases against us, so they think there's mafia between us.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Koshi as town. Neither do I really care about refuting cases that are made against me. Viv's stuff is pretty bad and I answered to some of HF's stuff. I was pretty pissed off at that point and probably reacted really badly, but I don't really care at this point.
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On July 25 2014 06:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:48 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 06:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. It was HF who was scumreading you. But unlike with the Koshi thing, there are no beatings for that one from me. Primarily because you're pushing so hard/repeatedly about the people on Navillus being suspicious for doing so, when that only makes sense if the alternative(s) are mafia, which I don't think they are. Pushing the idea is ridiculous until you've resolved the alignments of the alternative wagons. Chopin You seem to make much more sense than HolyFlare. Could you just cut his head off and continue playing this as solo?` Thing is, I'm not calling out everyone who voted on Navi yet, I just think it wasn't a good lynch at all. Even if you don't think that Viv is mafia, we probably should've lynched either Damdred or Obi (in hindsight, which isn't really a great way to look at things). You don' t think any of the alternative wagons are mafia? Regardless of Navi getting ML'd and the people wagoning on him?
Liszt was always a more capricious composer than Chopin, whose melodies were sweeter than strawberries.
Navillus was a good lynch compared to Xatalos and Vivax I think. Compared to Obi or Damdred - perhaps not. Unfortunately townies aren't blessed with perfect information and foresight...
I voted Nav purely because no-one was getting on Obiwan and Nav wasn't a bad lynch compared to xata or Vivax.
Chopin
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ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum?
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On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum?
Exactly the point
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On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum?
I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear?
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What kind of terrible logic is it to say that you town read yourself and koshi but then say there's probably scum in your town read and the only 2 people in the thread making cases? It doesn't even make sense from any perspective.
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I'm basically implying that Viv is mafia, Chopin maybe. Koshi I'm reading as town and I know I am town.
There is/has been so much pushing between us four that it's so unlikely we're all town. I guess it's obvious but w/e.
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On July 25 2014 07:02 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum? I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear?
in the post you said "one of these people are scum", then list Koshi as one of them and then call him town....
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Like... I can't believe you fuckers are reading Teemursu scum. This game is over. Fucking hosts. w.e
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On July 25 2014 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 07:02 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum? I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear? in the post you said "one of these people are scum", then list Koshi as one of them and then call him town....
Just read this post. This is my opinion. I might have worded it previously like shit because I'm tired, had a really shit day and personal reasons. If you want to harp and badger me for expressing myself poorly, go ahead. If you want to lynch me tomorrow for it, go ahead and enjoy the 3KP @N2.
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If you think vivax is mafia then the case he made on koshi is fabricated and scum motivated. It's actually one of the better cases I've seen in a long time and you haven't even so much as said a word about it and still stick to koshi being a town read.
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Koshi, I don't want to give up yet, but I'm kinda close to.
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On July 25 2014 07:09 Chopin Liszt wrote:
If you think vivax is mafia then the case he made on koshi is fabricated and scum motivated. It's actually one of the better cases I've seen in a long time and you haven't even so much as said a word about it and still stick to koshi being a town read.
I haven't read it yet. So what?
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/facepalm
Please just start posting seals
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On July 25 2014 07:11 Chopin Liszt wrote:
/facepalm
Please just start posting seals
is this marv or hf?
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You're sitting here giving out reads on people like it's information you've gathered and it's concrete and you haven't actually read the rest of the thread.
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Basically you're saying I should read Viv as town and Koshi as mafia because you believe the case is good.
I don't need your opinion on the case to form my own read. Even if the case was good and would find myself agreeing with it in the future, I don't have the information now, so I'm reading Koshi as town because I haven't yet seen any evidence that would contradict the read. Is that some sort of a miracle to you? I'm not going to post seals just because I haven't caught up yet.
Also, mafia can make good-sounding cases and it kind of comes back to your opinion on the case and my read on Koshi/Viv not having any relevant connection.
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