• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:05
CEST 03:05
KST 10:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 580 users

IV Titanic Mafia: It Has Been a Privilege - Page 137

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 135 136 137 138 139 166 Next
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:29 GMT
#2721
##unvote
##vote: VayneAuthority


If VA knew batsnacks was the vigi. Then why was the vigi under "who are they"
On July 25 2014 12:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
bored so made a list post

completely null - palmar, chopin, rayn

hard to believe they are scum based on meta - koshi, vivax

scum plausibles - CR, HaruH, xatalos

who are they - damdred, batsnacks, obiwan, glowingbear

kush - kush

some guy that raged at me - teemursu



Please understand people that don't want to vote VA (Xatalos, Obiwan, Marv), that we would always have this discussion "why would mafia fakeclaim knowing that they will get CC". It will always happen. The fallout of the discussion is often "too crazy to be scum" "why would VA put the spotlight on him?"

But the reasoning VA gave was silly enough to vote him. He knew batsnacks was vigi so he claimed vigi to save batsnacks. VA should know that batsnacks was a top lynch candidate. Or that batsnacks is not the player who would hide his shot and take some more crap about being scum. So VA his plan was doomed from the start.
And why would a townie be scummy on purpose? VA as a townie is most of the time a plynch somewhere in the end. He doesn't do these shiny plays as town, I don't remember it. Ask yourself how much this play helped town D2 in case batsnacks stayed silent?

Anyway. VA is not doing any intelligent scumhunting.
Everything he said points out to marv being scum. But marv not willing to vote him makes him town.
VA says Xatalos is scum even though marv harddefends Xatalos.
VA says CR is scum for "overreacting". I disagree. What CR says sounds smart. He can sound smart as scum. But he isn't scum for "overreacting".


Also. VA master of Night Kills thinks Xatalos, CR, rayn killed Palmar, Kush and HaruRH.




I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:32 GMT
#2722
All this being said I still think we should lynch marv.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:34 GMT
#2723
VA is good with the Palmar shot I guess. meh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:35 GMT
#2724
On July 26 2014 15:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
He retracted his claim.

Besides, that claim doesn't make sense to make as scum. You get rid of a confirmed town and die immediately after, and a 1 for 1 trade is never good for mafia. Town lies for bad/stupid reasons, like taking a hit or what the fuck ever, so I don't see the claim as alignment indicative unless he's actually going to stick with it and waste our time lynching him for nothing.

If you actually think he's scum, then you need reasons and a case. A nonsensical counterclaim is not a case.


I'll explain to you why Vayne is mafia.

Vayne rescinded his claim right when batsnacks claimed. Vayne's intention was never to square off in a 1v1. It was to force the vig to come out and then rescind the claim. His mafia partner will try to argue that this is not a scum move, so that Vayne gets off scot-free. The end result is that vig is forced to claim, and Vayne doesn't look any worse for it, which is exactly what is happening right now.

The reason why mafia need to make this play is because if they shoot VTs at night, they lose. We have 4 roles alive and a vested VT. That's 5 potentially confirmed town. There are 4 VTs left. The only mislynch that can happen today is on a VT because a role would simply claim. With 3 VTs left, if mafia shoot 2 of them, we mass claim and then the game ends in a town victory. So the only thing mafia can do to survive until the next day is to reliably kill a role. That's why Vayne fakeclaimed and then rescinded.

If Vayne was town, there would be no point to fakeclaiming. The only outcome of fakeclaiming is that the real role will counter claim you. We're not talking about a new player here; we're talking about Vayne, who is an expert in this field, fakeclaimed many times before, and knows exactly what was going to happen.

Like. Why are people so incredible dumb and not read this shit right here.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 12:39 GMT
#2725
I'm voting VA though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 12:40 GMT
#2726
I don't really know what the setup speculation accomplishes atm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 12:43 GMT
#2727
Could you describe clearly why marv is so surely scum? I don't think the night kills should be the ultimate deciding factor on who is scum anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:50 GMT
#2728
1) Palmar kill
2) Kush kill
3) Navillus lynch
4) how he moved off VA onto Obiwan who is town due to rayn
5) how he is not clearing lynchbait townies ever (Obiwan/Damdred/navillus/CR)
6) rayn filter
7) marv not reading rayn filter
8) how he was wrong on rayn
9) Holyflare doing absolutely fucking nothing the entire game yet always comes into this thread fully updated pushing something that shouldn't be pushed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:51 GMT
#2729
marv moved off VA really lazy. Don't you agree with that?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 12:56 GMT
#2730
10) Koshi believes marv could be scum
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:22 GMT
#2731
"9) Holyflare doing absolutely fucking nothing the entire game yet always comes into this thread fully updated pushing something that shouldn't be pushed."

HAHA! I actually laughed IRL

I guess it's possible, and I was wrong about rayn too. Still I don't think we really lose anything by waiting. Either he dies (almost certainly if he's town) or doesn't (and then he starts getting more suspicious). Whereas if we lynch him, it's ultra-bad if he flips town and definitely good if he flips scum but quite risky.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:27 GMT
#2732
And you've been 100% certain on quite a few things so far too
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:31 GMT
#2733
It could also be possible (WIFOM WIFOM) that the kills were planned to 1) avoid protective roles and 2) make marv more suspicious. It's not impossible at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:33 GMT
#2734
Dunno why he hasn't looked at rayn after he flipped...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 26 2014 13:36 GMT
#2735
##Vote Chopin Liszt

Going to sheep Koshi here. I'll post more if needed once I'm done with playing video mafia.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:38 GMT
#2736
I must admit it feels a bit weird how he hasn't been "leading the town" almost at all today :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:41 GMT
#2737
Oh yeah, Teemursu, you had the power to initiate a private discussion with someone? Why didn't you use it yet? It really makes no sense at all. But since there's no counterclaim, you're confirmed. I'll be really sad if you won't use it tonight.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:43 GMT
#2738
I won't vote for Chopin, but I won't strongly object pressure on him since it might produce interesting reactions or something like that. At least it's more interesting than everyone just voting VA.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:44 GMT
#2739
It would be better if the lynch was between players like VA/Damdred though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 13:46 GMT
#2740
I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 scum between VA/Damdred. Not as confident that there's one between VA/Chopin.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Prev 1 135 136 137 138 139 166 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 240
Nina 133
RuFF_SC2 118
StarCraft: Brood War
Barracks 4438
ggaemo 129
Sexy 67
NaDa 61
firebathero 55
Aegong 40
Dota 2
monkeys_forever958
League of Legends
febbydoto8
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox914
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor199
Other Games
tarik_tv22298
summit1g13176
gofns11159
shahzam536
JimRising 441
ViBE137
C9.Mang086
ROOTCatZ8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick951
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH180
• davetesta35
• Hupsaiya 32
• gosughost_ 14
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 51
• Azhi_Dahaki5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22414
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 55m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
12h 55m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
14h 55m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 9h
OSC
1d 22h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.