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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 13:52 GMT
#2741
Tell me why damdred is scum. I can only see town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 26 2014 13:55 GMT
#2742
On July 26 2014 22:44 Xatalos wrote:
It would be better if the lynch was between players like VA/Damdred though.


Trying to direct people to lynchbait eh? How about put a real case together on instead of just bringing me up every few posts because of idk why.

Just finished catching up i agree VA move doesn't make complete sense why would mafia. claim and lose another kp before night 2 affectively losing the game....
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 14:02 GMT
#2743
On July 26 2014 22:55 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 22:44 Xatalos wrote:
It would be better if the lynch was between players like VA/Damdred though.


Trying to direct people to lynchbait eh? How about put a real case together on instead of just bringing me up every few posts because of idk why.

Just finished catching up i agree VA move doesn't make complete sense why would mafia. claim and lose another kp before night 2 affectively losing the game....

Read CR his post on why mafia would do it.

Why would town VA do it?
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 26 2014 14:06 GMT
#2744
Town va shouldn't of done it.... claiming blue as town is just disaster waiting to happen
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:10 GMT
#2745
Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 26 2014 14:12 GMT
#2746
On July 26 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention).


If weakly pushing you is almostevery post? Then yea its been weak indeed. And i think your push on me is idiotic ..... and your reasons are bad and honestly mostly weak and nonreasons
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 14:21 GMT
#2747
On July 26 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention).

So I give you 10 reasons why marv is scum and you say the entire town should lynch Damdred because of this.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 14:25 GMT
#2748
On July 26 2014 22:31 Xatalos wrote:
It could also be possible (WIFOM WIFOM) that the kills were planned to 1) avoid protective roles and 2) make marv more suspicious. It's not impossible at least.

Let me also address this.

Scum is afraid of marv. They don't fucking kill the people who are suspicious of marv so that marv is left with people who trust him to lynch mafia.


The only one who would dare to do that is possible VA. But not fucking Damdred or Obiwan.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:25 GMT
#2749
They're not the greatest reasons, yeah, but it's not like anyone else has noticeably more scummy traits either. And I feel the same way about your push on me. (Btw by "weakly pushing" I didn't mean how focused you had been on me, but rather that I don't think your push convinced anyone, it was just something that happened while other people also started pushing me for whatever reasons.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:27 GMT
#2750
On July 26 2014 23:21 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention).

So I give you 10 reasons why marv is scum and you say the entire town should lynch Damdred because of this.


Those reasons are mostly stuff that marv couldn't control himself (if he's town) or slightly concerning points. It's not enough to lynch someone like marv D2 over Damdred who similarly has slightly concerning traits.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:29 GMT
#2751
On July 26 2014 23:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 22:31 Xatalos wrote:
It could also be possible (WIFOM WIFOM) that the kills were planned to 1) avoid protective roles and 2) make marv more suspicious. It's not impossible at least.

Let me also address this.

Scum is afraid of marv. They don't fucking kill the people who are suspicious of marv so that marv is left with people who trust him to lynch mafia.


The only one who would dare to do that is possible VA. But not fucking Damdred or Obiwan.


marv was a likely Medic target though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:32 GMT
#2752
Maybe I've been pocketed by scum marv, but I'd feel pretty bad for lynching marv D2 after he (in big part) saved me from being lynched D1 and hasn't really done anything that suspicious. And the night kills can also be explained through scum avoiding Medic.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:34 GMT
#2753
Btw marv, I'd really appreciate if you could appear in the thread again at some point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 14:36 GMT
#2754
And Vivax too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
July 26 2014 14:49 GMT
#2755
I'm here and will probably sheep Koshi at the end of the day.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 14:54 GMT
#2756
##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos


As a newbie, and as this is my third game and I'm playing with vets, I was trying not to tunnel and to think more about other people's argument. I realised that it was exactly what I did when I read Templar as scum in my first game but decided not to vote him (and he was scum). I'll stick to my initial read.

##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos


Believe me or not, it's not because of those couple posts. I'm bring a full case on you soon.
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 15:17 GMT
#2757
On July 25 2014 19:13 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 22:16 Teemursu wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:14 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I don't know why people disagree with me when I am certain.

I am always right when I am certain. Literally always. It's like the thing I learnt to do this year. Like there are so many players who guarantee this or that or say people are 100% alignments and more often than not they are wrong.

But when I do that, they are the alignment I say. Because I am Chopin.

Chopin

Are you certain about my alignment? Am I town or mafia?

Only Koshi and Xatalos are within the bounds of certainty for me.

On July 26 2014 07:47 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Chopin - Xatalos - Vivax - Glowing - CR/Damdred - Obiwan

from least scummy to most scummy.

##Vote: ObiwanShinobi



If you vote Xatalos before marv you don't respect marv.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 15:22 GMT
#2758
On July 27 2014 00:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 19:13 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though.

Chopin

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:16 Teemursu wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:14 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I don't know why people disagree with me when I am certain.

I am always right when I am certain. Literally always. It's like the thing I learnt to do this year. Like there are so many players who guarantee this or that or say people are 100% alignments and more often than not they are wrong.

But when I do that, they are the alignment I say. Because I am Chopin.

Chopin

Are you certain about my alignment? Am I town or mafia?

Only Koshi and Xatalos are within the bounds of certainty for me.

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 07:47 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Chopin - Xatalos - Vivax - Glowing - CR/Damdred - Obiwan

from least scummy to most scummy.

##Vote: ObiwanShinobi



If you vote Xatalos before marv you don't respect marv.


If you think marv is scum don't you think Xatalos is scum with him?
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 15:27 GMT
#2759
On July 27 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 00:17 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2014 19:13 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:16 Teemursu wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:14 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I don't know why people disagree with me when I am certain.

I am always right when I am certain. Literally always. It's like the thing I learnt to do this year. Like there are so many players who guarantee this or that or say people are 100% alignments and more often than not they are wrong.

But when I do that, they are the alignment I say. Because I am Chopin.

Chopin

Are you certain about my alignment? Am I town or mafia?

Only Koshi and Xatalos are within the bounds of certainty for me.

On July 26 2014 07:47 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Chopin - Xatalos - Vivax - Glowing - CR/Damdred - Obiwan

from least scummy to most scummy.

##Vote: ObiwanShinobi



If you vote Xatalos before marv you don't respect marv.


If you think marv is scum don't you think Xatalos is scum with him?

Either VA or Xatalos. I think chances are higher it is VA tbh. But both VA and Xatalos had strange interactions with marv.

But a Xatalos lynch is not optimal I think. But feel free to post your case. Maybe it is Xatalos and not VA. I am not really sure.

I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 15:31 GMT
#2760
On July 27 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 00:17 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2014 19:13 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:16 Teemursu wrote:
On July 25 2014 22:14 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I don't know why people disagree with me when I am certain.

I am always right when I am certain. Literally always. It's like the thing I learnt to do this year. Like there are so many players who guarantee this or that or say people are 100% alignments and more often than not they are wrong.

But when I do that, they are the alignment I say. Because I am Chopin.

Chopin

Are you certain about my alignment? Am I town or mafia?

Only Koshi and Xatalos are within the bounds of certainty for me.

On July 26 2014 07:47 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Chopin - Xatalos - Vivax - Glowing - CR/Damdred - Obiwan

from least scummy to most scummy.

##Vote: ObiwanShinobi



If you vote Xatalos before marv you don't respect marv.


If you think marv is scum don't you think Xatalos is scum with him?

Either VA or Xatalos. I think chances are higher it is VA tbh. But both VA and Xatalos had strange interactions with marv.

But a Xatalos lynch is not optimal I think. But feel free to post your case. Maybe it is Xatalos and not VA. I am not really sure.



Gonna skim through the filters of both. This time I won't be lazy and I'll really skim. Then I'll decide if I sheep you today and make my case by nighttime or keep pushing Xatalos.
I'm adorable.
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