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On July 25 2014 02:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 02:17 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:15 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:08 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:02 Chopin Liszt wrote:i'm finally around!  Hi. On July 24 2014 22:39 Teemursu wrote:
I feel like town is in a terrible spot. Wanted to ask you about this. i read it and it looked terrible because he was: a) talking to koshi like koshi was confirmed town previously ("hey koshi we need to lynch between obi/damd if not xata") b) a complaint straight after someone had switched their vote to one of the names he wanted to lynch Ok, and? How does a) b) make me scum? mafia talk to people like they are confirmed town because they know they are confirmed town and if people are going after the people that you are scum reading then why on earth would town be in a terrible spot unless every suspicion you have put on people has been baseless? How does b) make me scum? I was talking to Koshi about who we should lynch because he was the only person at the time I found myself agreeing with a lot of his posts. The spot where I was with Koshi, Viv, GB and Xata, Koshi seemed to be the town in the spot while I had to re-evaluate who I wanted to lynch. If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion.
Lies, this was your opinion on Koshi & me at the time:
On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia.
On July 24 2014 22:36 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:34 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. No you are on the right track. Perfect. Koshi, if you're town, you have to realise that Vivax is almost guaranteed not going to get lynched today. I feel like we need to decide who to lynch between Obi/Damdred if we don't want to lynch Xata.
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Told you I'd get you lynched if you tried to lynch me.
Tell that to your buddies too.
Ggnore
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I feel like you're trying to find reasons why I'm mafia instead of actually thinking that Im' mafia.
This has artistic value
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I'll just leave this here for you to muse on. Will add my own thoughts before the night ends for the ultimate dunk.
On July 24 2014 21:55 Koshi wrote:
Why the fuck is your vote not useless on Damdred?
On July 24 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote:
ohyeah the ghost thing.
Now he did promise me he would do better on D1.
DAMDRED why do you PROMISE ME, KOSHI, RULES OF THE UNIVERSE, that you will play better on D1 and then play a D1 like this????
Probably worse than Storm 2.
On July 24 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, chopin is so mafia though. He wants to lynch Obiwan and doesn't vote him.
If this ass scuker is marv than he would always vote first. ALWAYS.
On July 24 2014 22:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:09 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Have list:
1. HaruRH
2. Koshi
3. teemursu
4. Chopin Liszt
5. VayneAuthority
6. raynpelikoneet
7. ObiWanShinobi
8. Navillus
9. GlowingBear
10. kushm4sta
11. Chairman Ray
12. Vivax
13. Xatalos
14. batsnacks
15. Damdred
16. Palmar IF VIVAX IS THAT LITTLE TOWN HE IS FUCKING SCUM. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. DID YOU EVEN READ WORLD CUP??? HF fucking hosted it.
On July 24 2014 22:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:13 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 24 2014 22:09 Teemursu wrote:
Reading through Damdred's filter now. Could people who have made cases against him link them to me, please? Better question: you tell me why he might be town I'm better at scumhunting. I'm pretty bad at forming towncircles/finding town. Just because someone isn't the towniest town doesn't warrant a lynch to me. I'm not switching to Damdred if I'm not convinced he's scum. Damdred is doing absolutely nothing just like he was doing absolutely nothing in Storm 2. Vivax knows that he did nothing in Storm 2. Still he pushes Damdred for doing nothing here. Vivax, What is the difference between Damdred in Storm 2 and here?
On July 24 2014 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Damdred
If you leave I will lynch you.
On July 24 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote:
Koshi if not Xatalos who is your two main lynches right now Vivax and Vivax But Xatalos is the lynch. He keeps soft claiming blue while if he was blue he could just say the name of the blue and scum wouldn't know what the role does. If he claims near the deadline it is too late. He can be lynched.
On July 24 2014 23:57 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Vivax
I am sheeping Holyflare/marv here. Everybody should sheep the 2 best players on TL.
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On July 25 2014 02:51 Chopin Liszt wrote:
what is that supposed to show vivax? although i like how koshi wants to sheep me/chopin but then doesn't actually vote for the same target
- He called you scum quite confidently earlier on and then entirely stopped caring about you close to deadline. Even said something about sheeping you by voting me when that was nowhere your intention, also he tries to glorify his former scumread.
- First he says something about your vote on Damdred being useless, later says Damdred had to step up like promised after I explained why Damdred was scum, he even said what he was doing was worse than in Storm.
Later, when he has to push me, he totally says that what Damdred is doing isn't scummy when compared to Storm, says he doesn't see the difference. Change of opinion is obviously of practical value so he can use it to paint me scummy at the same time by claiming that there's nothing scummy about Damdred I'm pushing.
- Then goes again with threatening Damdred and acting as if he was scummy.
- When asked about lynch option the only option is me.No compromises, he had multiple options from earlier, but it had to be me, the drill sergeant, his former scumread chopin becomes the guy we all should sheep.
- When he gets mad at you for not scumreading me, then it's like something he should be expecting anyway since he claims to have read both of us as scum. He'd only get mad if he didn't manage to convince you thinking you're a townie.
My 20000 ¢
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And generally if you feel one guy tunnels you so insanely with so much bullshit you won't get rid of the feeling he was scum all along, so I'm openly saying I want this guy to die for that too.
Add to this the other stuff I mentioned about his earlier game. Having no scumreads and then being super confident in writing a case for why navi is town when there were reasonable arguments for why he could have been scum, all along not pushing his own preference for scumread while doing that, instead talking about scum KP and claims.
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Did you look at Damdred yet.
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Take your time it's not like we have to lynch today.
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Somewhere in the middle of the day I wrote the reasons for Dam. I still have to take a good look at his comeback pre-deadline though so I'm not automatically calling for his lynch yet, kinda in his favour that he stuck to his guns when he had a chance to get me lynched iirc, might also be it's cause he wasn't caught up and had to resort to what he already wrote about Xata to post something proper, so I won't be putting too much weight into his favour for that cause I have to assume he wasn't really caught up, his questions to Koshi about his scumreads gave me that impression.
And yea I agree with the reasons on Teemu. Saying he was treating Koshi as town as justification for his hardcore stance switch towards me and koshi when he felt threatened looks like a lie if I look at what he wrote shortly before I made that remark.
I was really surprised he would try to turn against me like that just for that observation cause I didn't actually suspect him until then, and with thenI don't mean the post I made a remark on, but when he got all hostile at me for pointing it out, which I felt was an overreaction.
You try to argue more from a mindset point of view. That he kinda uses Palmar to take a crap on what happened to navi, which implies he valued his opinion, then turns hostile on him in the next moments, for example. I get that point. "look at this town dude, he said this and you didn't do it", "look how scummy he is now" a bit later.
Plus, I feel like Koshi and him gave up really quickly on pushing me now that they lost their probably only chance of achieving that. Koshi's push feels like an all in, I don't understand how somebody could be so insanely tunneled to the point of not wanting a compromise about for example Obi, who he called a good lynch earlier, but when me and your hydra buddy tried to move the lynch into that direction, all Koshi was yelling was still my name, as if he had a lyncher role and would win the game if I die and not when he hits all the scum.
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On July 25 2014 03:46 Damdred wrote:
Think i just haven't done enough for v
You sticking around for a bit? I'll be reassessing your filter so it would be nice if you could chat a little.
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On July 24 2014 22:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:51 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 22:49 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Damdred,
1 question:
To me from that post you made it feels like you were keeping up with the thread but not posting. Is this feeling true? That feeling is false, the last time I visited the thread was when I told teem that I would look into his filter when I got to a computer. I spent the good chunk of my morning was spent catching up on the thread. Ok sexy. Please tell me more about this Vivax/Xatalos interaction please. I am very interested. The interaction is generally strange he had Xat down as mafia earlier and Xat had viv down as mafia earlier (but he changed his mind quickly when prodded and based his read on other games where viv activity was lower when he was mafia), and i'm not sure if Viv is actively sheeping a case made against me or was just trying to get me to delurk so he voted me. I'd like him to answer that, because the case against me is much weaker then I would normally expect him to follow for being a vet.
First of all, I don't feel like I have sheeped any cases. I looked at your filter when prodded, and saw all the stuff I ended up writing about, I don't remember it being like I was simply repeating what Xata said, I simply said what I found scummy about your filter on my own.
Main concern being that you lacked followup on Xata's case, you looked like you tried to scumhunt, but somehow ended up playing very little, and there was some stuff at the end of the filter you promised and I didn't see you deliver.
So I was thinking to myself: "This dude tries to look like he's trying but he didn't really try much". Simple as that.
Wanting to get the wagon started, I expected you to pop up at some point and start pouring in a lot more effort if you were scum. Let's say I'd have considered you more suspicious if your post volume per timeframe exceeded the one before I made that case, cause it would have meant you rather focused on pleasing the guy voting for you, obviously I would consider at the same time whether your efforts were pointed in a genuine townie direction, you get the point I suppose.
Additionally I wanna add that there's nothing strange about people changing reads on each other, until you manage to argue why the reasons are strange. The way you try to put it in that post it's not evident at all what was strange about our stance changes on each other, so if you feel your point was important feel free to explain it now.
On July 24 2014 23:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:43 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:40 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:34 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:33 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you.
And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw? Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state? Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going... Why would it make sense for Koshi to hop on GB? He was busy getting Xata to roleclaim, explain please. ___ Ok let's get some common sense back in the thread and not this monkey panic fest Koshi and Teemu started. Kush, you aren't caught up if I had to guess, but I want you to look at my Damdred case and give me your opinion on it, and give an opinion on his comeback. Plus, evaluate if we should switch to Obi like chopin proposed atfer looking at Damdred. GB main lynch target today was Xata, he built several good posts around him, Xata responded to some of them a bit oddly which looks like made him stick to him. Suddenly out of no where GB comes up with vote Koshi for trying to get Xata to claim, it isn't to far fetched that Koshi could of changed his list and put GB on it for that post it was worth a question at least.
I don't really understand why you try to justify what Koshi did with this post. It's like an explanation for why what GB did precisely isn't scummy. You either think he was bussing Xata, or he wasn't. If he wasn't bussing him, then he had no real agenda as scum to pop into the thread and scumread Koshi out of the blue for the way he was trying to squeeze Xata.
If he was bussing him, then I don't think you had that feeling.
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Btw it kinda feels like people have been bewitched when Chopin said Xata can't be scum for his weird claiming style. Did nobody really try to fight that?
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On July 25 2014 04:05 Palmar wrote:
please, please don't waste a check on me tonight btw. Like just don't do it, I'll rather shut up and allow myself to be lynched than know some idiot cop wasted a perfectly good night checked me.
I promise not to check you if you post the new results of your filter script.
Deal? 
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On July 25 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:
Your right it wasn't sheeping you had me down as one of you scum suspects for awhile before that. To be honest when i saw xatas and your votes i figured in the next few pages my wagon would be rolling or id og gotten lynched while i was gone.
To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed.
That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit.
You don't expect everyone to instantly change his vote whenever he changes his read, do you? Maybe it's a habit you got on another forum but I for myself think not throwing your vote around isn't really something to care much about as long as it's not on the end of the day, when it really matters. This is obviously different when you play in an instant majority setup.
Another thing I wanna add is that you didn't really fight back when chopin tried to move the lynch away from Xata. And from the little you claim to have played, you still came back to the thread swinging that he was scum for ignoring you and the such. He replied to your case at that point however and you kinda didn't seem to care much about what was happening and happily sheeped chopin on navi after he skipped over your reasoning with his bewitching argument.
Would also like to hear what you think of Teemu and Koshi, I feel like the past pages have had a lot of content regarding the two and it would be beneficial to see some committment from you on the issue.
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On July 25 2014 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you have been saying shit for like 8 pages of those 10 Koshi.
there is a reason people read you scum, marv or not.
Besides it was HF agreeing with my arguments and not really the alleged marv who surprised me with being so reluctant to scumread Koshi.
So I don't see at all why Koshi is claiming that the alleged marv had a scumread on him.
Let's just call him chopin for the time being k?
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On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else?
Just take your time with catching up I don't want to really repeat stuff that is fairly visible in my filter.
We aren't in a hurry now.
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On July 25 2014 16:04 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 02:26 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:17 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:15 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:08 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:02 Chopin Liszt wrote:i'm finally around! Hi. On July 24 2014 22:39 Teemursu wrote:
I feel like town is in a terrible spot. Wanted to ask you about this. i read it and it looked terrible because he was: a) talking to koshi like koshi was confirmed town previously ("hey koshi we need to lynch between obi/damd if not xata") b) a complaint straight after someone had switched their vote to one of the names he wanted to lynch Ok, and? How does a) b) make me scum? mafia talk to people like they are confirmed town because they know they are confirmed town and if people are going after the people that you are scum reading then why on earth would town be in a terrible spot unless every suspicion you have put on people has been baseless? How does b) make me scum? I was talking to Koshi about who we should lynch because he was the only person at the time I found myself agreeing with a lot of his posts. The spot where I was with Koshi, Viv, GB and Xata, Koshi seemed to be the town in the spot while I had to re-evaluate who I wanted to lynch. If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. Lies, this was your opinion on Koshi & me at the time: On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. On July 24 2014 22:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:34 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. No you are on the right track. Perfect. Koshi, if you're town, you have to realise that Vivax is almost guaranteed not going to get lynched today. I feel like we need to decide who to lynch between Obi/Damdred if we don't want to lynch Xata. None of these posts imply a strongly imply my opinion on either one of you alignment-wise, kind of awkward to quote these posts and call me a liar for nothing.
Yea, and you lied cause you said during this night: If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion.
Implying you read Koshi strongly as town when the quotes suggest you weren't that sure at the time.
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I'll just say that if you're town and think I'm scum you really need to learn to play this game, or at least sit back and show me if you can reassess and figure out that you're wrong.
I'm pissed as crazy about koshi's push on me yesterday cause it was incredibly stupid, baseless and stubborn. It just stops me from being able to take a good look at the game when there are people constantly tunneling you for bullshit, who refuse to explain what they find scummy.
And that you didn't realize that the way Koshi was pushing me simply was not townie, cause it was 90 % yelling and 10 % reasons, if even, and he refused to talk with me properly, and still does with others, is one of the reasons I want you to die, cause I just can't see how a townie could be so insightless and animal.
So I'm giving you the chance now to take a look at my filter and actually explain to me what in it makes me scum, and what gives you doubts, or I'll just further categorize you as ungenuine tunneler not worth of being talked to but only to be pushed relentless.
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On July 25 2014 16:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 16:55 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 16:04 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:26 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:17 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:15 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 02:08 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 25 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:02 Chopin Liszt wrote:i'm finally around! Hi. On July 24 2014 22:39 Teemursu wrote:
I feel like town is in a terrible spot. Wanted to ask you about this. i read it and it looked terrible because he was: a) talking to koshi like koshi was confirmed town previously ("hey koshi we need to lynch between obi/damd if not xata") b) a complaint straight after someone had switched their vote to one of the names he wanted to lynch Ok, and? How does a) b) make me scum? mafia talk to people like they are confirmed town because they know they are confirmed town and if people are going after the people that you are scum reading then why on earth would town be in a terrible spot unless every suspicion you have put on people has been baseless? How does b) make me scum? I was talking to Koshi about who we should lynch because he was the only person at the time I found myself agreeing with a lot of his posts. The spot where I was with Koshi, Viv, GB and Xata, Koshi seemed to be the town in the spot while I had to re-evaluate who I wanted to lynch. If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. Lies, this was your opinion on Koshi & me at the time: On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. On July 24 2014 22:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:34 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 22:26 Chopin Liszt wrote:
The fact that we are sleepwalking towards this lynch with almost everyone on Xatalos either barely here or not at all, and all the votes off Xatalos being spread about, means that Xatalos is probably town.
So let's not lynch him. Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. No you are on the right track. Perfect. Koshi, if you're town, you have to realise that Vivax is almost guaranteed not going to get lynched today. I feel like we need to decide who to lynch between Obi/Damdred if we don't want to lynch Xata. None of these posts imply a strongly imply my opinion on either one of you alignment-wise, kind of awkward to quote these posts and call me a liar for nothing. Yea, and you lied cause you said during this night: If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. Implying you read Koshi strongly as town when the quotes suggest you weren't that sure at the time. That was when people were going apeshit, which is when I started reading Koshi as strongly town. Where am I not making myself clear? None of this is still making me mafia. Is this really all you have on me?
And by the way you and Koshi were the cause for people going apeshit. Just to remind you, you will find more instances of me trying to discuss lynches in a legit way, and arguing in a logical way compared to you who were going apeshit over GB finding Koshi scummy for the roleclaim he was trying to force, and yelling vivax vivax vivax.
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That's not a case for me being scum that's a bunch of nitpicking.
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