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TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
July 12 2014 05:17 GMT
#1001
I would Vote for Slamroot, absolutely. But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die.

Are we going to have night-nakking, btw? As in, is the Thread open for us to talk during the Night?
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 12 2014 05:20 GMT
#1002
i agree we have a lot of time left and there's no reason why we need only discuss slamroot during that time
i liked CR's posts on page like... 43 as well. can't remember anything koshers has said though.

and yes we can talk at night
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 05:29 GMT
#1003
Ok, I've read enough.
I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful:

Half-ass summary:
+ Show Spoiler +

A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.


So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes:

sqrt's friendly quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature.

[image loading]


On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.

This may come to prove important.
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english.

why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo

The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum.

the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night

Eden is town.
Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people.
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, rayn is first on my list.
Town.
Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post.
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:

I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.

Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.

Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town.

[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Haru is definitely strange.
He is not acting like in previous games.
I don't like him.

His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like.
This:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


The reasons:

1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value.

2. This post

On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm

Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...

Meh

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh".


1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday.

2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language?
I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic.

3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page.
More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"?

Is a good post. Decent logic here.

Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.

Haru, a question for you.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

So I go to sleep
and I wake up
and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls

--

Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative?

I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads.

it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda


I was waiting for you to say that robik

Top town

Why were you waiting for robik to say this?
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.
Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot.
Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it.
But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff.

Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting?
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read.
[image loading]



I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners.
He made a push on Palmar, though:

sqrt's vote on Palmar's:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend)
He hasn't /confirmed yet.
First post:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Hi I am Pálmar

And then does nothing for a significant amount of time.
Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much.

Stratiform, I don't have a clue.
But this is my best read so far. They're mafia.
##Vote: Team Magic Computer
[image loading]


Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads.

If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all.

But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one:

Hi Post from Alakaslam:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Well

Hi



Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
This is why it is perfect victory

[image loading]



So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now.

Slam gotta do better to change my vote.
I'm adorable.
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
July 12 2014 05:32 GMT
#1004
Umm how was Palmar's OH GOOD RESPONSE anything but sarcasm...? He says right after that he'd shoot them if he'd have a gun and that he's 'forcing' their Lynch.

They (or Haru, rather) give Palmar a Town-pass here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 and continuing here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#515

I was also going to mention the weird pass Robik/ExO was given but when I checked the relevant posts (love the 'filter' option you guys have<3) I realized that the chain of posts actually computes, even if it still remains Lazy.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
July 12 2014 05:34 GMT
#1005
On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die

trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now

right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread):
- WeDemandALawyer
- Magic Computer
- GoodCopBadCop
- M&M

of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches

I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 12 2014 05:35 GMT
#1006
tl;dr: I have a scumread on The Wine Team and I have suspicions on ExO, Robik and Eden that I'll cover tomorrow while filter diving.

- WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I'm adorable.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
July 12 2014 05:38 GMT
#1007
Shiny Ursaring can you please explain why all three of your non-Slamroot suspects come from two of the most vocal anti-Slamroot slots in the game
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
July 12 2014 05:41 GMT
#1008
GlowingBear please filter my posts and comment on the case against you. I don't have many posts yet so the relevant posts are easy to find.
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 12 2014 05:42 GMT
#1009
i am very very very bad at parsing sarcasm online and honestly since i was catching up after nappy nap time i just skimmed thru that stuff ughhh

i see the town pass now
actually that's pretty good now that i see it, it's kind of weird because it looks like they just said palmar was town indirectly
On July 11 2014 21:47 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 21:45 Palmar wrote:
Well if you are town, either I'm town, and I am mistaken accidentally, or I'm mafia, and I'm forcing a case by being maliciously ignorant.


I don't want to omgus so early :/

So you're mistaken accidentally.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


and that's actually bothersome

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

the trouble i'm having here is that i can totally understand haru's responses to the kenpachi rule stuff from a town perspective -- you do kinda have to engage at least partially in whatever the current discussion is regardless if your alignment i feel
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 12 2014 05:46 GMT
#1010
glowingbear can you justify your suspicion of Eden considering that your hunting heuristics have to do with passivity and friendliness yet Eden has been anything but
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
July 12 2014 05:46 GMT
#1011
On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
July 12 2014 05:47 GMT
#1012
are you fucking serious lmfao
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 12 2014 05:47 GMT
#1013
On July 12 2014 14:46 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then

THE LOUISIANA VOLTRON MASON CONTINUES
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
July 12 2014 05:51 GMT
#1014
[image loading]
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
July 12 2014 05:57 GMT
#1015
He's saying that they wanted to talk about the argument because it was being talked about. That's keeping up appearances.

Later Haru decides that they actually had the insanely Pro-Town aim of keeping a watch on the possibly Scum-influenced Kenpachi-argument.

Except that none of their posts actually imply such a motivation.

Instead of saying that they wanted to talk about the argument for the sake of it having been talked about, Haru could've said right from the get-go that they wanted to analyze the Kenpachi-argument because they thought it might be Scum-influenced.

Haru literally both says that he can't speak on Glow's behalf AND that he SHOULD speak on Glow's behalf since they had agreed together that the Kenpachi-argument could be Scum-influenced.

Child-ese enough? :D
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 12 2014 06:05 GMT
#1016
Not going to happen
Ignore my gold get the other side
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 12 2014 06:07 GMT
#1017
slender: yup! i more or less buy it. waiting on harubear response

slam: want to answer the questions i asked you earlier now?
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 12 2014 06:08 GMT
#1018
Free mislynch scum but of course that is no new joy.

Your bemusement is of interest to me though, can someone bookmark where in the QT you were roughly about when I said this because I want to see what you were saying. Just like mention it or something

Thanks.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 12 2014 06:10 GMT
#1019
On July 12 2014 15:07 OnceKing wrote:
slender: yup! i more or less buy it. waiting on harubear response

slam: want to answer the questions i asked you earlier now?

Hell fucking no I have nothing but acid and jackassery for this town.

Look at my re-entrance to this thread in the 40's and if your answers to how I was treated and my corresponding attitude aren't there well you don't want to determine alignments you just want to witch hunt- what we call "scum hunting" here but really isn't, because actually determining alignment is far more important than trying to decide on some lynch.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 12 2014 06:12 GMT
#1020
I mean WHA the duck was that goddamn clown

What in the actual fuck

There isn't even a joke ther-

...

Yeah there is lol but there isn't a pun or a wittiness or a hidden knowledge, there is no association between that image and asking what I did as a hydra
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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