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On July 12 2014 11:33 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey, look what happens with a little pressure. Don't worry about this game too much. Slam is a wonderful mentor. Learn from him and you'll do great next game!
Wtf kinna post is this? All it's missing is an "Aw shucks, cheer up scumbuddy, we'll get 'em next time!"
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The Slam/sqrt-Hydra is definitely Lynch-worthy. The submissive attitude displayed by both is Weird but probably not alignment-indicative -- Slam's fluff and sqrt's contradictions indicate Red.
Why is no one commenting on the contradiction by Haru I pointed out, though?
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On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification.
The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target?
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On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 21:43 Palmar wrote:On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side. - M&M I don't get what you mean If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it. You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person. Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that: On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
So why is he wasting his breath? So I guess here is where the problem lies I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin. My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it.
Slender, Haru does mention his plan regarding the Kenpachi rule here instead of just saying it was a plan he and GlowingBear made up later. This is only a few posts after he brings the point up to begin with. Not sure if you saw this.
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On July 12 2014 12:11 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification. The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target?
I was an easy target at the time because pretty much anything said about me at that point was negative. OnceKing and Bunnies had called my earlier posts bad, and on page 42 where I return, Slenderman casts a casual vote on me and Robik suspects me as mafia before you made your vote.
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On July 12 2014 12:17 Stratiform wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 12:11 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification. The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target? I was an easy target at the time because pretty much anything said about me at that point was negative. OnceKing and Bunnies had called my earlier posts bad, and on page 42 where I return, Slenderman casts a casual vote on me and Robik suspects me as mafia before you made your vote.
Given that 4 different teams already had a scumread on you. Do you still believe that it's not reasonable for other town (ie myself) to have a scumread on you as well?
I'll brb in few hours.
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On July 12 2014 10:07 OnceKing wrote:
summary: you are being lynched go read the thread to find out why
I already asked bunnies what was up so I know I was honestly curious how others were oign to spin it 
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On July 12 2014 12:30 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 12:17 Stratiform wrote:On July 12 2014 12:11 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification. The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target? I was an easy target at the time because pretty much anything said about me at that point was negative. OnceKing and Bunnies had called my earlier posts bad, and on page 42 where I return, Slenderman casts a casual vote on me and Robik suspects me as mafia before you made your vote. Given that 4 different teams already had a scumread on you. Do you still believe that it's not reasonable for other town (ie myself) to have a scumread on you as well? I'll brb in few hours.
I'm not saying you're mafia because you voted me, or scumread me. What I don't like is the tunneling on me to the point of disregarding the rest of the game. But, you're back now, and you've stopped tunneling. I view this as a good thing. I've never played with you before, but I've heard that you make some good d1 analysis, which I would like to see some more of.
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Haru only says in the bolded part that they needed to talk about a topical subject (something that's taken a lot of thread space) in-thread. (Which smells of 'keeping up appearances' tbqh.)
There's a difference to what he later said, which is that they thought the discussion might be Scum-driven.
Why not just say that they thought the Kenpachi-discussion was Scum-motivated from the get-go, if that's what they had discussed and were thinking at the time? (And how can this alleged notion be seen from either of their posts? I couldn't find it.)
How does Haru not know what Glowing's intention was, in the first place, if they had actually discussed all of this?
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On July 12 2014 12:40 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 10:07 OnceKing wrote:
summary: you are being lynched go read the thread to find out why I already asked bunnies what was up so I know I was honestly curious how others were oign to spin it
guess my tactics didn't work 
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slenderman, can you provide links to relevant posts please?
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I think he's referring to this one
On July 11 2014 23:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Haru, i got a simple question for you:
Do you think there was any point in you trying to defend your team against Palmar's accusation (the point where he specifically calls out GlowingBear)? How would you say you can contribute to the matter in any way if you don't know what your teammate's intentions behind his posting were in the first place? Yes. There is a point to defending. This is a team game ffs. I don't just lurk and see glowingbear get attacked while I talk about other things. That is way more scummy. and bad. I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.
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ehh... just took a look through haru's filter
gotta say i'm not really seeing it. explain it to me like i am a very small child with extremely limited mental capacities.
also explain to me why this is a better case than the slamroot case. because i can't construct any narrative in my mind where their actions make sense as town.
like i've NEVER known town to just roll over and die like that with over 24h remaining in the day. and when i MLed sqrt in the newbie game we played together he never gave up until the very end either.
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Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question?
Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539.
Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.
I don't see this as consistent.
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Oh, right: I do think that the Slam/sqrt -Lynch looks excellent. Like I already said above. But I also want Glow/Haru on the table.
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So the fact that Slam/sqrt disappeared, I'm not sure how I feel about this.
They could be frustrated town, but this is a stupid way to handle it.
If they are mafia, well gg for us, they conceded.
I'd still like to take a look at the Koshi/CR team.
But I need more from them to make a better read. I do think my case on them I stated earlier holds a bit merit.
I've actually started liking a bit of Strat's posts, and I might be wrong on that team there, but we shall see.
Have a fun discussion tonight boys. I have a stomach virus, so I'm headed to bed a bit earlier than I normally do!
If you have any questions for me or want me to look at something, just direct it @bunnies or @TheD and I'll/or poofter will answer
Night!
The"Double"D
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Slenderman bro
Imma be honest I tl;dr'd your argument here, will you kill Slamroot today and then we can discuss Shiny Ursaring tomorrow? Slamroot is clearly scum IMO and I don't really know what to think of Shiny Ursaring so I would rather we kill Slamroot and go from there
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Oh OK I x-posted
Proposal stands hopefully you will accept
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hmm
honestly i don't see how they've given palmar a free town pass as you say
actually i thought palmar's case on them was interesting but then i didn't say anything about it cause i took a nap and when i got back they had responded and palmar had been like OH GOOD RESPONSE lol
i DO see a worrying amount of discussion of points versus discussion of suspects though
i guess i need to read some other filters and stuff
i also need other ppl to check in and weigh in on current discussion
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@bunnies@TheD
So to reiterate your case -- Koshi Scum due to meta (entrance), CR Scum due to complaining about the amount of posts and then focusing on your filter. Is this a meta thing as well? I remember liking CR's posts so you could elaborate on that one.
Have to agree on Strat having presented some quite likeable posts.
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