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On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote:
The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.
kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch
my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable
furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda"
So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that?
But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue.
Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now.
I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well.
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prplhz I made a peace offer in our QT. Please consider opening it one more time.
TOTES SORRY MY TOWN BRO
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On July 11 2014 06:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote:
sup. I read the thread.
anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred. Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks.
pay a little more attention:
On July 11 2014 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted iamp in spite of stating preference for lynching lurkers. I had an irrational response to one of his posts I think and someone (I think yamato) made some pretty good points about iamp and then I evaluated the votes for him at the time, and I was like "okay fine whatever" and voted not knowing whether I'd make it back in time to change it.
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On July 11 2014 07:31 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 06:56 Vivax wrote:On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote:
sup. I read the thread.
anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred. Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks. pay a little more attention: Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted iamp in spite of stating preference for lynching lurkers. I had an irrational response to one of his posts I think and someone (I think yamato) made some pretty good points about iamp and then I evaluated the votes for him at the time, and I was like "okay fine whatever" and voted not knowing whether I'd make it back in time to change it.
Can you summarize in your own thoughts why damdred is scum?
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Mderg could please you sum up in 1 sentence why you think VE is scum?
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On July 11 2014 07:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 07:31 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 06:56 Vivax wrote:On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote:
sup. I read the thread.
anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred. Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks. pay a little more attention: On July 11 2014 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted iamp in spite of stating preference for lynching lurkers. I had an irrational response to one of his posts I think and someone (I think yamato) made some pretty good points about iamp and then I evaluated the votes for him at the time, and I was like "okay fine whatever" and voted not knowing whether I'd make it back in time to change it. Can you summarize in your own thoughts why damdred is scum?
He seems highly self-conscious about people suspecting him, his reasons for voting have absolutely nothing to do with this game, and in general he has no impact on the game despite being relatively active.
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clarifying this:
mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place
This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town,
not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so.
what i am saying is in relation to this quote:
mderg talking about a VE voteswitch
This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me.
So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.
mderg exaggerates VE's original position to say that VE was convinced about his read.,
he then tries to make it look as if VE didn't think or at least shouldn't have thought obiwan was mafia, from what had been said in the thread.
mderg then makes the point that the switch was too easy for VE and that, that is scummy since he should have stuck with his hard read.
what mderg is saying suggests that VE's scumread on him was BS since he was willing to switch without saying much.
mderg was calling VE scummy in a way that looks like it was intended to make mderg look good.
i would argue this is scummy since if mderg thought VE was scummy he needs to push that. It doesn't need to be tied in to mderg's own image
but enough of that
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On July 11 2014 06:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 03:08 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted.
It doesn't necessarily make you town aind it doesn't make you scum at this point. However your post screams hey guys i'm a townie look i'm being helpful, which is cool it just brings heat down on you and makes you look like you are trying to be seen as town.Toad seems to be playing semi-aggressive I don't know if that can be said he isn't scum hunting however at the moment anyway. Dam, with Cora's alignment being known now I'm interested into the bolded. Was it meant to say that what he was doing was scummy or not?
I thought cora was acting scummy tbh. Though in my defense after the hammer so did most of the people in the thread
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On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote:
The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.
kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch
my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable
furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda" So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that? But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue. Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now. I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well.
I thought VE had a pretty strong scumread on me. So his switch to ObiWan was odd as he made only one post about him before. I didn´t see anything that looked like a scumread in that post, so I thought VE was scummy.
It´s actually pretty unlikely that VE is scum now that ObiWan flipped scum, though.
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I was roleblocked last night
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I´m too tired to do anything worthwhile tonight, so I´ll go to bed.
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On July 11 2014 08:18 Bill Murray wrote:
I was roleblocked last night
let me just ask this way: why would you claim that?
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actually that's an instavote right now
##vote Bill Murray
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On July 11 2014 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:
actually that's an instavote right now
##vote Bill Murray
yeah i think he need to say a bit more before we speculate since you don't get informed of a roleblock
Notifications
You will not receive any information you don’t need. You will not know if you were roleblocked, saved, investigated, visited or whether or not any of your actions had their desired effects or not. You can ask, but if I did not send you any information, you probably shouldn’t receive any.
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On July 11 2014 09:01 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:
actually that's an instavote right now
##vote Bill Murray yeah i think he need to say a bit more before we speculate since you don't get informed of a roleblock Show nested quote +Notifications
You will not receive any information you don’t need. You will not know if you were roleblocked, saved, investigated, visited or whether or not any of your actions had their desired effects or not. You can ask, but if I did not send you any information, you probably shouldn’t receive any.
gosh thanks for telling him outright instead of waiting for his answer to my question...
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i mean he was ignoring you and when it gets spammed out and people read through it they would need think about it but probably wouldn't, so i just made the thread more readable
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well I quoted the thing about 30-40 minutes after he posted his claim inbetween a dotagame so I don't think calling it "ignoring me" is really possible. Probably him not being around anymore, or at least that's what it looks like.
Pretty sure I would have continued pressuring it hard had he ignored it and brought attention to it had people spammed it away... Now I'm forced to consider whatever kind of bullshit reason he brings to the table at facevalue and consider it a null
Yes thread more readable, but a possible scumslip made useless... whatever no point in whining about spilled milk
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I mean, it's common knowledge that Palmar runs his games this way. Bill would (I think) know this...so it's a little ridiculous if he thinks he can get useful information by fake-claiming roleblocked. Unless he actually /was/ roleblocked, in which scenario you'd have to assume that he /is/ a power-role and actually /knows/ he was roleblocked (because of a targeted action not resolving or whatever). But in that case, why does he claim it? Mafia don't know if they actually stopped a power of his or not, so it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to claim having /actually/ been roleblocked in that scenario. There's no benefit for town to know this, and EVERY benefit for mafia to know it.
My conclusion is that Bill Murray is faking roleblocked here. I don't know if he's doing it as town or mafia. If he's town and doing it, it's important that we hear his reasoning for doing so.
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