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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 11:24:34
June 11 2014 11:12 GMT
#14
/in
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 12 2014 00:32 GMT
#19
On June 12 2014 08:25 Kurumi wrote:
I have edited the Spam section of the OP. It is now forbidden to post videos or pictures in this game.

Not even a one-off selfmade paint picture related to the game?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 13 2014 13:48 GMT
#36
On June 13 2014 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Tossing up joining. ^_^

Heads.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 00:01 GMT
#61
Hi guys. My policy is to not lynch VisceraEyes this game because he's been mislynched too many times and I feel bad for him
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 00:07 GMT
#63
On June 16 2014 09:05 slOosh wrote:
But what if he is mafias?

Then you guys have to lynch him without me. I cannot bestow violence upon a fellow viking.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 00:17 GMT
#65
On June 16 2014 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not mafias. So worry not. I got Watch Dogs fir Father's Day. Activity is sure to reflect this, but I will make my opinions known either way.

I love you town.

Spoiler alert: the main character is the vigilante.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 08:25 GMT
#153
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 14:00 GMT
#156
Welcome to the townpile Karma.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 15:45 GMT
#160
Snickers, you mentioned that you felt Release made a good post before, now you accuse him of twisting your words to hurt you. What's your overall read on him?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 18:11 GMT
#174
On June 17 2014 01:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release


Boring, why so?

And I know I'm town, so you think Release is more likely scum defending a town here?

Or do you think it's scum defending a partner this early into the game?

I'm thinking we're both town here.

Though, i agree, he is basically just sayng everything I've already said.

Boring because you both just kept repeating the same things but in different words and it wasn't going anywhere for me to get a read on either of you.

I don't know your alignment and I'm not going to make an association between unflipped players. People did that in cell. You supported that as mafia. Why are you trying to create associations now?

On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face.

Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so?


I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014:

"As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."

And yet he ends this same post:

"I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ."

Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post.


You have a point here I really like.

Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here.

He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do.

But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that.

I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum.

This gives me a slight scumread on you. Wanting to be right is an easy reason to lean back on without actually saying anything.

On June 17 2014 02:38 Release wrote:
Currently this is our only point of discussion, although your vote on me now introduces a discussion about me.

wordy words

Boring. You could've introduced a discussion about anyone that had an opinion on the case for bullshit reasons. You also keep repeating yourself in the post as well. If you want me to actually read your posts thoroughly, be more to the point. I'm not interested in your description of what you provided and what you want. It won't help me get a more accurate read on you.

On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 18:22 GMT
#182
Chezinu,
A bruised man visits the doctor. He tells the doctor that he saw the sheriff on a long stretch of road just outside of town. The sheriff was approached by two shadowed figures, a small figure and a large figure. The tall figure had its face obscured by a dark cap. The small figure was deformed, a scar running from the left side of his mouth. The rest of their figures obscured by the eclipsing sun. The man mentioned seeing a package delivered to the sheriff from these two gentlemen, whom then spotted him. He ran away as fast as he could as gunfire followed him. He fell on his face from a branch, then hid in the bushes. He overheard the two talking after they gave up their search. "It doesn't matter anyway. Operation Hyrule can no longer be stopped."

Are you familiar with the codeword Hyrule? What does it mean?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 18:26 GMT
#184
On June 17 2014 03:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 17 2014 01:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release


Boring, why so?

And I know I'm town, so you think Release is more likely scum defending a town here?

Or do you think it's scum defending a partner this early into the game?

I'm thinking we're both town here.

Though, i agree, he is basically just sayng everything I've already said.

Boring because you both just kept repeating the same things but in different words and it wasn't going anywhere for me to get a read on either of you.

I don't know your alignment and I'm not going to make an association between unflipped players. People did that in cell. You supported that as mafia. Why are you trying to create associations now?

On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face.

Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so?


I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014:

"As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."

And yet he ends this same post:

"I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ."

Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post.


You have a point here I really like.

Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here.

He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do.

But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that.

I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum.

This gives me a slight scumread on you. Wanting to be right is an easy reason to lean back on without actually saying anything.

On June 17 2014 02:38 Release wrote:
Currently this is our only point of discussion, although your vote on me now introduces a discussion about me.

wordy words

Boring. You could've introduced a discussion about anyone that had an opinion on the case for bullshit reasons. You also keep repeating yourself in the post as well. If you want me to actually read your posts thoroughly, be more to the point. I'm not interested in your description of what you provided and what you want. It won't help me get a more accurate read on you.

On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that.


Understandable, which is why I'm trying to move conversation from YKZ and Is fighting elsewhere to get more reads.

People did that in cell badly, and I used it to my advantage as mafia. I still think using associations as town is helpful. Plus I'm getting reads based off what I'm writing and how people question my theories. It's quite interesting. I think you are town.

I want to be right on YKZ, but I know in a game of mafia, I could be wrong. I don't see how this makes me scummy for wanting to be right on a top scumread?

Why do you think using associations between unflipped players is helpful in the current situation? Why do you think I'm town? Do you have any current scumreads other than YKZ?

It's scummy because it's something to fall back on. If your arguments fall apart it gives you a reason to continue pushing him, or when the heat returns on him after it disappears you can easily go after him again. It gives you an opening.

On June 17 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that.

How is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#195
On June 17 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But YKZ's last few posts have been a bit towny, especially his read on Artansis.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 19:52 GMT
#200
Took your time. I'm not though. My role PM was quite clear on that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 16 2014 21:02 GMT
#210
On June 17 2014 05:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Chez, Artanis, care to share your thoughts?

Not at the moment. I want more people to share their thoughts first. mderg and oats haven't even posted yet, and I'm curious about the people who haven't commented on it yet on Release and myself.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 17 2014 10:32 GMT
#264
On June 17 2014 05:45 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Chezinu,
A bruised man visits the doctor. He tells the doctor that he saw the sheriff on a long stretch of road just outside of town. The sheriff was approached by two shadowed figures, a small figure and a large figure. The tall figure had its face obscured by a dark cap. The small figure was deformed, a scar running from the left side of his mouth. The rest of their figures obscured by the eclipsing sun. The man mentioned seeing a package delivered to the sheriff from these two gentlemen, whom then spotted him. He ran away as fast as he could as gunfire followed him. He fell on his face from a branch, then hid in the bushes. He overheard the two talking after they gave up their search. "It doesn't matter anyway. Operation Hyrule can no longer be stopped."

Are you familiar with the codeword Hyrule? What does it mean?


Hmm, There must be a Link. He typically throws bombs when he is faced with creatures from other worlds. Given the circumstances, it may be a shotgun. These two men must have guns... When did they visit the sheriff?

We must run the counter operation, Adlez

Adlez? Chezinu, no.. The consequences will be dire..
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 17 2014 10:41 GMT
#265
Also
##Unvote
Release has made non wordy posts. This pleases the Artanis.

VE, I'm disappointed you stopped viewing me as townie . I thought we were friends. I don't think slOosh is scum though.

I don't like voting mderg as much because he gave a piece of reasoning that resonated with me and something I thought about as well.
It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you".


On June 17 2014 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
itt BH appeals to authority while smurfing. And he ISN'T the leading lynch yet?

Why aren't you voting BH if this is your position?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 17 2014 14:30 GMT
#271
Mderg, I ctrl-F'd your filter on "?" and got zero results. Why are you not asking anyone any questions?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 17 2014 14:43 GMT
#272
On June 17 2014 03:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 17 2014 03:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 17 2014 01:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release


Boring, why so?

And I know I'm town, so you think Release is more likely scum defending a town here?

Or do you think it's scum defending a partner this early into the game?

I'm thinking we're both town here.

Though, i agree, he is basically just sayng everything I've already said.

Boring because you both just kept repeating the same things but in different words and it wasn't going anywhere for me to get a read on either of you.

I don't know your alignment and I'm not going to make an association between unflipped players. People did that in cell. You supported that as mafia. Why are you trying to create associations now?

On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face.

Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so?


I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014:

"As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."

And yet he ends this same post:

"I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ."

Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post.


You have a point here I really like.

Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here.

He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do.

But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that.

I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum.

This gives me a slight scumread on you. Wanting to be right is an easy reason to lean back on without actually saying anything.

On June 17 2014 02:38 Release wrote:
Currently this is our only point of discussion, although your vote on me now introduces a discussion about me.

wordy words

Boring. You could've introduced a discussion about anyone that had an opinion on the case for bullshit reasons. You also keep repeating yourself in the post as well. If you want me to actually read your posts thoroughly, be more to the point. I'm not interested in your description of what you provided and what you want. It won't help me get a more accurate read on you.

On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that.


Understandable, which is why I'm trying to move conversation from YKZ and Is fighting elsewhere to get more reads.

People did that in cell badly, and I used it to my advantage as mafia. I still think using associations as town is helpful. Plus I'm getting reads based off what I'm writing and how people question my theories. It's quite interesting. I think you are town.

I want to be right on YKZ, but I know in a game of mafia, I could be wrong. I don't see how this makes me scummy for wanting to be right on a top scumread?

Why do you think using associations between unflipped players is helpful in the current situation? Why do you think I'm town? Do you have any current scumreads other than YKZ?

It's scummy because it's something to fall back on. If your arguments fall apart it gives you a reason to continue pushing him, or when the heat returns on him after it disappears you can easily go after him again. It gives you an opening.

On June 17 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that.

How is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic.


You are town because you seem t be trying to figure things outside of ykz and me, rather than just jumping on a bw lynch of one of us. I like this.

Still needed to respond to this.
Do you think scum Artanis would have much trouble making a comment like that? Is there more that makes you read me as town?

Also, if I notice associations now, after the flip, the associations become more clear. It's how I've always played the game. I notice connections before flip. It's something we do in video mafia, especially since usually in video mafia, you have no flips. You have to base everything solely on reads and connections.

It might be something you do in video mafia, but we're playing forum mafia here. You've played a few games on forum mafia now so you should be aware that unflipped associations in forum mafia is bad. I can't tell if it's just a bad habit or intentionally muddying up the waters though, so I'm not going to make a point of it. When there's been no flips associations will just mess up your thought process.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
June 17 2014 17:20 GMT
#278
On June 18 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
I generally don´t ask that many direct questions, I rather point things out that I find strange and most of the time people respond to these things. So it should have about the same effect as asking questions.

Just scrolled through your Cell Mini (Town) and [URL=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mdergDetention (Mafia)[/URL] games. You actually asked a lot more questions as mafia. Interesting.

Carry on.
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