EPTOn June 25 2014 09:01 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, that sucks. I'm guessing that's why we had no nk N2. Sooo. Who did he save?
Well, that sucks. I'm guessing that's why we had no nk N2. Sooo. Who did he save?
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On June 22 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote: I agree with Artanis that VE is town from mderg filter. I was a bit too focused on the mderg scumread into voting BH earlier. It would be pretty insane scumplay to buss each other with big cases into moving away from each other right before lynch. For me scummers are: Lazermonkey/Sloosh Then he votes LM, which makes sense On June 22 2014 20:14 Koshi wrote: Lynching people who are doing absolutely nothing is really good. Never fails really. Always mafia. ##vote: Lazermonkey When he starts mentioning VE again, he asks for reasons that VE is not mafia then votes VE based on my case, with almost no explanation On June 23 2014 22:05 Koshi wrote: I actually like this BH case again. The only thing I don't like is the vigi part. BH is like 99% town for me. I don't even understand why VE/Sloosh/Release are voting for him or calling him scum. If he is alive in lylo I would reconsider but I have never seen BH play this normal. I like this normal play. Sheeping BH pretty good. ##unvote ##vote: VE Last 2 scums could be VE/Lazermonkey. SloOsh still very possible as well. But he likes me so I like him. I am friendly like that. Chezinu, your play is not exciting me at all. Add more Chezazzle to it. Even at this point I consider Koshi to be chill. I don't mind this vote in a vacuum. The 180 on VE is surprising, but I've put in work. The problem here is that the explanation is lacking. Well, don't worry, Koshi shows up shortly thereafter with some mad explanation:(link). In his large post about 6 hours later, Koshi is writing about how LM is town and how he wants to lynch LM, rather than about VE. People call him out and he defends himself but never pushes VE futher. The lack of followup isn't a main poitn, actually. Really it's just the "vote VE, big case on LM". I don't like it. Koshi is imo a higher prio target than LM, whose latevote on D2 only really makes sense from a town perspective. ##vote Koshi | ||
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I continue to believe that Koshi is scum. As I said earlier: On June 24 2014 08:26 YouKnowZhou wrote:The part that for me looks like a contrived bus is his vote for VE. He makes the post here: After scumreading LM, who is the big counterwagon, he is convinced by my case on VE. He also says he doesn't understand why VE is voting me (though if VE is scum, it's very obvious why VE would vote me). He doesn't explain himself thoroughly and hasn't made many scumreads on VE. I'm glad he's voting VE, but then he makes a really really big post after voting VE about how he wants to lynch LM (link) and then he doesn't vote LM. Imo, whatever waferlike reasons I had before for thinking Koshi scum, this really nails it for me. Why is he voting VE? He says he's convinced by the non-vigi proportion of my case, but he's not arguing for a VE lynch in the thread, he's arguing for an LM lynch, and his vote is still on VE even as LM is the counterwagon. Then he's like "well they could both be scum together". This is like an infinitely less skillfull version of what VE was doing D2. Okay, so I started this post about how we shouldn't lynch Koshi today but actually I'd be okay with it. If our options are LM vs Koshi, I'm voting Koshi. However, since we're lynching VE, let's lynch VE. Koshi tomorrow. Now, it turns out that VE flipped town, so clearly Koshi was not bussing VE. But the underlying problem here, which is that Koshi's posting and voting don't align, still applies. | ||
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On June 26 2014 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Waitwat. Did you really check me? What did you get for result? Don't you mean "so you know I am vanilla"? | ||
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Yeah chez is the role cop. Am I like the only person who noticed this? He literally announced his check | ||
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What is the main evidence for your read on him? ##unvote ##vote lazermonkey | ||
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On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote: I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including: - Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch. - ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ. - Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target? I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? | ||
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On June 26 2014 07:17 Chezinu wrote: Are you for realz!?!??! I never said I got a goon check!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU FRAMES HIMS WITH THE GOON CHECK?!?!? You obviously didn't get medic, you can't get godfather, and if there was a roleblocker scum would have roleblocked artanis last night and shot you (remember, you didn't specify his medic type, so they'd need to RB him to be sure he didnt' save you again) so there wouldn't be a live chezinu to clarify his checks. Admittedly you could have gotten back framer, which I didn't consider. | ||
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On June 26 2014 07:24 Chezinu wrote: Wow, you really did think through about killing me, didn't you? Well, you have been obviously the cop for a while. The only reason I didn't call you the cop at night was in case scum somehow didn't know-- if you could live another night and get another check, that's good. When you were alive and Artanis died, I tried to think about why scum wouldn't just rb the medic and shoot the cop, and the only reasonable answer is that they actually couldn't. | ||
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On June 26 2014 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Sure, I'm cool with dying. Yes, that's basically the reason I think SlOosh is scum. Given your response, it seems like you are not sharing my views, am I correct? Some more things: -Snickers, I remember someone giving pretty solid arguments for why he was town. I don't really remember who or where but I remember getting convinced. His reads are just super off but yhea. Probably town here, agree/disagree? -Release, I think his play is also really off. At first I thought that he was pretty confirmed town for his mderg vote but his vote actually came after mderg super wierd vote on Snickers. I'm getting a feeling that Release might have understood that mderg just fucked up too bad to be able to save in a good way at that point. I was summarizing. I'll take a look at the faulty reasoning of mderg defense, which is typically more telling of scum than just happening to push townies imo. The question isn't what a player does, but HOW the player does it. town can be right and town can be wrong, but they are right or wrong for reasons that make sense, at least to a townie. If SloOsh was really defending mderg for reasons that don't make sense then that's a solid reason for a scumread. I did not like release before D3. However, throughout D3 he was willing to engage me and we had many long conversations, when I feel like as scum he just wouldn't have interacted in such a meaningful way. That being said, I'll take a look at my interactions with him and see if anything seemed off. Snickers' chief point against him (in addition to some blantantly anti town play) is that he voted for mderg D1 but not D2, just like you and VE did. I don't like him. On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote: Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO. As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone. In terms of the Artanis shot, it seems very straightforward to me. He was the doc and scum needed to shoot him. The fact that scum shot him and not Chez means they probably didn't have an RB, else they'd have RBed him and killed the cop right away. Also, yes, like literally everyone had a townread on Artanis. | ||
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On June 26 2014 11:07 Snickers wrote: Day 2 votes I was busy so I had to consolidate early. W/e you make out of that. Anyway time for me to come clean. I do not know if this is the best move, but I think it will be good for me and chezinu to compare notes. I am the Detective. Here was the message when I was afraid of dying. Day one I checked YKZ and he was reported back town. Day two I checked Lazer and he came town. Day three I checked SLoosh and he became town. I originally thought my the trick to my role was trying to guess who was getting lynched. So I thought YKZ was getting lycnhed day two. I thought Lazer day three Then I figured out that after I have lived for awhile, it is more about good checks. Anyway I checked sloosh after learning this. So Chezinu does this help you? Hopefully Lazer is scum. From Day 2: On June 21 2014 05:25 Snickers wrote: ##Unvote mderg ##Vote YouKnowZhou I have to go to work and will not be home till after the lynch. This is me consolidating my post. If YKZ flips town, everybody needs to evaluate my points on release. Even if YKZ is mafia i can still see Release being mafia. Also i told someone I would say my reads on VE. Day one he did nothing to help town. I do not even understand how he could think he did something useful. Have not focused on him after day one, but i still think he is not being useful. Also any town that voted for 27nb as their final vote for day one needs to really take a look at release if YKZ flips town. Also after today's lynch if I am still alive, I will look into the voting timings on day one and day two. Day one was very close for mderg being lynched instead of bunnies. I think it was goodkarma that voted 27nb cause his vote was of no use, but if release voted mderg and goodkarma, I think it would have been mderg that got lynched. Also Koshi if you are town try to at least make it seem like you are contributing. ##unvote ##vote snickers | ||
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On June 26 2014 16:08 Snickers wrote: Lol worst play of the game above . Ykz is slipping now that there is pressure. This doesn't look like an explanation to me. | ||
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On June 26 2014 16:19 Snickers wrote: Read the role of detective. Oh, I guess D1 you could have thought you were insane. Well, I suppose that's sensible. And if you were scum trying to fakeclaim, you might have picked more dead people "checks" so you'd be less useful. I'm going to read through your filter and see if your shit stacks up and makes sense with your reads though. With three green checks you've gotta either know you're sane or you're insane and getting fucked with by a framer. I'll unvote you for NOW ##unvote But you're about to get scrutinized like you've never been scrutinized in your life | ||
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On June 27 2014 03:02 Snickers wrote: Also just thought about something interesting. I am not 100% sure about this but lets consider something. YKZ hard pushes 27nb on day one. Relatively early. Same thing day two with VE. Now day three he has not pushed anyone yet, but only six hour till deadline? His biggest move so far was defending Lazer. Looking likely those two are scum. > claims to be cop > doesn't know what day it is, or who has been lynched on what day Amazingly, It's not even like he's scum for this, either. I'm sure scum would be keenly aware that it is in fact Day 4. I wish I could call Snickers scum. There just aren't words appropriate for a mafia game for me to say that would adequately define my opinion of a case against me based on the fact that D1 and D2 I mislynched 27nb and VE, and now on "D3" I'm defending LM. Like, not only is it not D3, but on D2 it was mderg that was lynched, and oh my god I can't even deal with this guy | ||
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On June 27 2014 03:30 Snickers wrote: lol thats the first decent size mistake i made in this game. A lot of a mistake than all the people that did not even read the roles. Anyway, day one hard pushed 27nb early Day two was hard pushing me I guess, will look into it when I get time before the lynch. Day three hard push ve early. Day four defend lazer early. And it is weird that Lazer says YKZ is town before me and chezinu. So, wait, your characterization of my D2 is that I pushed... you? not mderg? | ||
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On June 27 2014 03:34 Snickers wrote: No I do not get how you pick up on good things and know terms well but you can not read a post. The difference between you and koshi is that koshi is consistent and you are not. Well, believe it or not buddy I do my best to refine my reads based on new evidence. For example, I became willing to lynch LM when chez claimed a goon check on him, even though I thought LM was town. Then, when you claimed a green check on LM annd chez backtracked the goon check (it's still not clear to me-- maybe chez gets checks for goons and VTs as the same, "vanilla", or something), I am no longer willing to lynch LM. Is it weird that I was willing to vote for him? Yeah, but from my point of view, it's not. You're the one who had a green check on him, all I knew is I thought he was town, but if someone claims a red check on him, you gotta lynch him. That's just how it works. Now look, You have 3 green checks. Me, LM, Sloosh, right? If you're sane, we're all either town, godfathers, or scum who got framed. We could all be town, or up to 2 of us could be scum (assuming 3 total scum). If you're insane, then at least one of us must be town who got framed, since you have 3 checks. If both you and chez I am strongly inclined to believe scum has some sort of PR that interferes with checks. When I think about the possiblity of like a GF AND a Framer though I think that's a little silly. Goon/GF/Framer is a setup where 2 of the 3 scum are immune to the alignment cop, and 1 (or 2? does goon return vanilla or goon?) are immune to the role cop. Compared to Alignment Cop, Role Cop is kinda a shit role unless it distinguishes goons from VTs. What seems more likely would be Goon/GF-or-Framer/Foo, where Foo is like, another goon, or maybe a Medic or something just to keep scum on their toes. If a Role Cop checks a goon, does he get back a different result than if he checks a VT? | ||
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