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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Palmar's argument is that he is town for posting a lot. And also, that he is not playing like M_Z. If this approach actually made sense, we could say "Palmar is posting a lot, we know that town only posts a little before they die, therefore Palmar is scum." It is bad logic either way you push it. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 06 2014 04:30 fuba wrote: I also realize that both Palmar and I, whether town or scum, will probably want to lynch mderg first because mderg is a much more difficult person to lynch than myself or palmar, respectively. I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD I feel like if I'm lynched first then Palmar is almost definitely the next lynch, judging from the thread recently. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me, when even I've admitted that it makes more sense that he was actually roleblocked than scum is faking the roleblock. Because my game feels pretty much over either way, I'll just sheep Amiko. ##Vote: Palmar Because why not~ To me, this statement have convinced me fuba is the scum we are looking for. he did not include himself into the group of town. If it was any other town, he would have stated I'm not sure there's a way for us town to win out of this situation | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
You are as confirmed town as I am, you can question people too. If you think fuba is suspicious, raise the points you find most suspicious and push them. You can talk to me/Palmar/sqrt about mderg/fuba if you want to convince us of something or raise the points you think are most suspicious. Besides them not posting as much as Palmar, list the things you find most scummy about their play and ask. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Despite being and sounding frustrated, this has actually been fun. It's nice to have an actual challenge in front of you. Trying to move this town in the right direction feels like moving a mountain. So in case I don't get back, sorry if I've gotten a bit mad at times. @Amiko you haven't actually played awful. Your case on sloosh was very well disguised at least from my point of view. I thought it was a regular case and it being a cop-check case didn't even cross my mind. You're just being a bit thick headed today, but I guess it's a learning experience you have to go through. Make sure you realize what you did wrong because you're going to be the one leading the lylo lynch. I think it's fuba but I'm far from 100% convinced. @Chrom, town hero, never forget. @Haru, thanks for being reasonable. The trap thing you did was hilariously useless, but at least pointed to your thought process coming from a townie. You've played this day better than anyone else. Thanks for playing guys. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: I feel like Palmar´s defense is completely based on 1 point, that he wouldn´t play like this as mafia. His actions would make sense as town but they would also make sense as scum. His vote on bunnies doesn´t make him town. Slightly pushing a townie for weak reasons doesn´t instantly make one suspicious. It seems like a low risk low reward move to make as scum. Semi-busing sloosh and gobble was without any follow up, so that didn´t actually put them under huge pressure, so it wasn´t very dangerous and could be used to distance himself from these two resulting in him being less suspicious when they flip or the other way around. It would be pretty ballsy but I think Palmar is capable of that. Staying on MZ on day 2 also makes sense from a scum perspective because one more vote would have changed things. Especially with the third mafia not voting this could have ended in a mislynch and put a scumteam of sloosh, gobble, palmar in a good position. So it all kinda comes down to this: The thing about this is that it´s simply a matter of believing him or not believing him. And I don´t believe him. I don't know if mderg is trying to convince us all that Palmar is the scum through his feelings or what, this is definitely not something I would like to see from a mafia candidate. we need to pressure mderg more to speak up and give us his final thoughts rather than sheep you and afk. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Why is this suspicious? It seems like something fuba would say if he was town (I don't townread him for saying it, I'm just saying it doesn't seem scummy to me) If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: "I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum" Why is this suspicious? It seems like something fuba would say if he was town (I don't townread him for saying it, I'm just saying it doesn't seem scummy to me) If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. It seems scummy to me because nobody speaks/write like that when referencing to something that he/she is. For example, you don't say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance people will die if they live in the radiation zone' if YOU live in the radiation zone. Instead, you would say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance we will die if we live in the radiation zone'. You always associate things to yourself if you're it. If you know what I mean. This just tells me fuba isn't thinking like a town, and rather have some scummy thoughts. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me So fuba doesn't include himself in town? He said that he knew palmar will die today, so he should be referencing to himself even more as he will definitely be alive for 1 more day should palmar be a mislynch (which at this point, I can bet it is one). I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD Making people doubt mderg. Hmm. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:21 Amiko wrote: Yeah M_Z's play was bad. Posting a lot before you die doesn't make you town. Every time you say you agreed with my analysis of slOosh it just makes me feel you are more likely mafia. Part of my analysis was specifically saying that slOosh is scummier than M_Z. If you agreed with me, you would have gone slOosh. You made no attempt to engage on that point or suggest anything specific about your case was better.. I call you anti-town because you attempted to stop discussion d1 (on jabber, by arguing we shouldn't raise other wagons), d2 (on M_Z, by arguing platitudes rather than merits), d3 (on M_Z, with a 'why should i care' attitude). This is what you don't understand. You're 100% wrong on how I play, and I've always played like this. I generally have one thing that is absolute giveaway as either alignment. For example I would've thought mderg's post on day 1 was a giveaway town, and that Haru's trap thing was giveaway town. In fact, your correct analysis of me on day 1 was basically giveaway town, because you were right for the right reasons. Your case on sloosh relied heavily on him not doing anything at all regarding the case on jabber during day 1. That has nothing to do with him being more scummy than MZ. MZ read a post that said one thing and accused that post of saying something completely different. Sloosh didn't do that. So by definition while of course I use things like inactivity, interactivity, voting patterns etc to complement my ideas, your argument that part of your case was that sloosh was specifically more scummy than MZ is bullshit. I agreed with your initial case on sloosh. That's to what I replied I might throw my weight behind it. They are not the same because they cannot be the same because sloosh didn't write that post I basically lynched MZ for. So whatever you're saying doesn't work. And don't call my play anti-town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 04 2014 02:06 mderg wrote: This honestly feels like scum who´s given up. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
You can only blame yourself. I did not play anti-town no matter how much you want to convince yourself that's the case. The problem here is a) you not reading/thinking and b) me not figuring out how to get you to think. That's my biggest mistake this game. I will eventually figure out how to get through to you, but clearly I didn't do it in time. Don't try to excuse your mislynch that I played anti-town, or you will not improve at the game. If you want to improve you have to understand what you did wrong, because you are doing something wrong. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:44 Amiko wrote: That's fine. Let's talk after the game since I'll know your helpful comments are genuine. >.> you're really bent on killing off both fuba and palmar. But I still think that mderg still have the remote chance of being mafia. We should really let palmar live for one more day, lynch fuba who is still unwilling to contribute until now and make mderg and palmar try to convince the remaining of us who is more scummy should it still go on. The order doesn't matter, but having palmar who is willing to talk is better than fuba, who is just hiding. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote: So by definition while of course I use things like inactivity, interactivity, voting patterns etc to complement my ideas, your argument that part of your case was that sloosh was specifically more scummy than MZ is bullshit. -- I raised the point that slOosh was scummier than M_Z a few times. Here are two quotes I picked as examples, because they show that two other players (sqrt and mderg) specifically understand that I was raising that point. On May 31 2014 08:05 Amiko wrote: Yeah, that's a fair description. I think most of the complaints about M_Z apply to slOosh, except moreso. And slOosh is scummy for other reasons, too. On May 31 2014 21:10 mderg wrote: What Amiko pointed out looks like textbook scumplay to me. With this I´m pretty sure sloosh is scum. My opinion on MZ also didn´t change one bit, it´s just that sloosh is even scummier than him. ##unvote ##vote: slOosh | ||
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