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On June 07 2014 01:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1.
I don't know what happened. Maybe I dreamt the whole thing. I was having a conversation, quite a heated conversation. Someone wanted to kill me, neither of us was sure for exactly what reason. The last thing I remember is some fading echoes of how I hadn't changed his mind.
And now I'm stuck here. It took me a while to fully realize that I'm alone. I'm not quite sure how to proceed from here. I thought I was talking to someone, but only the wind seems to have heard me.
I heard a summon so I came
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Day 2.
Somewhere in the past I remember a conversation. It's strange how our past seems to matter. I really didn't want to die, but for some reason I was also sure that someone else needed to die.
I remember two faces. Both of them quiet. I can almost not remember their voices. But I remember a conversation. I don't know if I should trust this conversation, but in another place, at another time I remember feeling this conversation was the answer to one of them.
Should I trust the past over the present? I've had more time to study it, but the present feels more relevant now. Not that it really matters since I stranded here, alone.
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Day 3.
How far would someone go to deceive me? Back when I was in contact with the others I cared. I kept thinking to myself: "He just doesn't seem to be the deceiving type, and it's too much of a risk". It would be such a bold move. The man I had the conversation with, would he be capable of murdering my friends, and pretend to have locked the doors to his own chamber?
It seems unreasonable, and to be perfectly fair, this was the face more angry last time I saw him. But I can never be sure. I could possibly be if I could just have convinced the others before they left me.
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Day 4.
The shadier face of the two is the one I think should die. But I can't know for sure. I overheard him arguing with one of the conspirators, who later got strung up. It sounded like a heated argument at the time. For some reason they both forgot their argument the next day though.
The fact that they had this argument is interesting. I think I mentioned it before I got separated from the group, but I never got a response. He was never the talking type. I'm not sure not talking makes him part of the conspiracy, but it seems easier to not say the wrong things if you don't say anything at all.
If I ever get out of here I need to notify the others.
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Day 1.
I had nearly forgotten that I signed up for this programme called 'Detention Mafia', which caught my eye when the ad was shoved into my letterbox. I submitted a letter of participation enclosed in the ad.
Nearly 2 weeks later, someone rang the doorbell. At this point, I have forgotten all about this 'Mafia' thing I submitted, so I thought a relative came along. I opened the door and the last thing I saw was a big, grizzly guy in black.
I woke up here, in this debilitated concrete building that seemed to be abandoned for quite some time. I was in a room with a huge wooden door with no windows - and under the door was a piece of paper. I couldn't feel my legs, so I crawled to the piece of paper and read it.
'WARNING: THIS IS YOUR ALIGNMENT. DO NOT REVEAL IT. YOUR ALIGNMENT IS......' was what was written on the piece of paper. I don't know why, I can't write my alignment on this diary. Some magic have to be involved in this.
A few minutes later, I recovered the use of my legs and opened the door. It opened to a gigantic room with 12 other doors around it, with a medival style wooden grandstand complete with a noose in the middle. I shuddered. 'what could this giant wooden platform be for?' I wondered out loud. 'For a game we are forced to play, called Mafia.' said a voice behind me. I turned around, and leaning on the opposite wall was a tall and lean young man. He identified himself as 'sqrtneg1', which was a codename that we all had to use as per the rules written on the piece of paper.
Suddenly, everyone - 11 others, in fact, came through their doors and gathered in this giant room, which felt small now. A voice rang 'Greetings. I am the host of this game, the 'Detention Mafia'. My codename is BlazingHand. In this game, 3 mafias, 8 vanilla town members and 2 others have been selected. I believe you all have read the slip of paper before you came. This is a simple game of mafia. Every morning, which last 48 hours, you can vote for someone through the box beside the platform who you think is the mafia. At the end of the 48 hours, the votes will be tallied and the highest voted individual will be lynched.' A chill ran down my spine when I heard that word. What is the meaning of this? Why do I have to kill someone else? I wondered.
'you have to lynch all the mafia members before they outnumber you. Every night, which lasts for 24 hours, you will stay in your room. The mafia will be armed with a gun, and they will choose someone to kill. You have 48 hours for the first day. Have fun'. And the voice ended. There was an uproar in the room. Everyone had no idea what to do.
It took us 2 hours to calm down and we sat in a circle, introducing ourselves. 'Hhhheello my nnname... my cooode name is jaaaberrwoooockzzzerg' as the person seated directly opposite me stuttered. 'Amiko here.' said the guy in a full suit, with sunglasses on. 'Chromatically here!' as the guy who looked younger than me raised his hands. '27ninjabunnies here!' said the lady in shades. Meapak Ziphh at your service' as the yound man, who looked to be in his thirties stated. 'mderg.' said the guy who looked completely disinterested. 'Hello guys, I am sqrtneg1 and....(I failed to hear the rest of his speech)' said the guy whom I just met. 'slosh hereee.' the guy said in the most boring tone ever. 'ALLLLAKASLAM IZ MY NAME' as the hippie-looking guy proudly exclaimed. 'fuba'. said the second most boring person. 'Palmar here.' claimed the person who had his legs spread out. Lastly, I introduced myself 'Haru..RH here... hello?' I said. I was still very confused with the current situation.
After the introductions, everyone explored the different rooms and the giant hall. I clenched onto the slip of paper, knowing that this might decide my fate. Before long, I felt sleepy again and went back to the room that I awoke from and went back to sleep. Who are these people, and what is my purpose here? I wondered before drifting to sleep.
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1) Reads
Mafia can have good reads, doesn't mean much to me.
Even if your reads have been legitimate, they mean little given how you acted.
Easy example: Your recent post says you "called the too scummy to be scum thing on jabber" - that's nice to say, but your action that day was to try to shut down conversation about any alternate wagons to ensure jabber got lynched.
Easy Example: Just saying you suspect slOosh doesn't mean anything when you aren't willing to vote him (or even give an adequate reason why you prefer M_Z). Your posts on slOosh/M_Z showed no analysis
2) Activity
You weren't active d2 or d3. You are not a highly active player this game. If you are town, I think it's good you are actually playing today, but it doesn't come off as town to me.
The attitude you are taking is ironic and to me, fake, given your play. Now you are complaining to town about how it's already set on a lynch and how it won't try to consider anything else. This comes after 2 days where you voted M_Z, sat on your hands, and tried to actively discourage conversation. This whole blame thing is nice and all, but if you flip town I'll be pretty comfortable chalking it up to your anti-town play and hopefully seeing a win tomorrow in spite of your play.
The idea only town can make a lot of posts is almost as persuasive to me as M_Z's case on Alakaslam.
3) Reasons
You keep pretending the reasons for the lynch are different from what they are. First you claim you are only being lynched from fear, but now it's only because you voted wrong on M_Z. I think the second reason is pretty good, actually, but it applies to Fuba as well.
4) Fuba
I asked you specifically why Fuba is scummier than you, and the only response I saw was:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=65#1291
Additionally, you raise this point earlier-
On June 06 2014 06:47 Palmar wrote:
@fuba. at some point before day 2, I think it was during night 1 or so, you had a long back and forth with gobble. Can you explain why your suspicions of him seemed to just vanish and the first thing you did on the next day was to vote sqrtofneg1 who you had barely talked about.
Did you go after gobble d2?
It's counterintuitive that you can think fuba is the most scummy player and that you are a towny player when the grounds apply to both of you.
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Day 5.
I miss people. It's rough being alone. At first I thought getting away from the others wasn't such a bad idea. I didn't particularly like most of them. Even most of those I knew I could trust weren't always very pleasant to me.
But now, I'm talking to myself, thinking to myself. It gets a bit lonely after a while. Even if the conversation wasn't always pleasant, at least there was a conversation.
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sorry if I intruded on your fanfic
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On June 07 2014 01:19 HaruRH wrote:
It should be obvious by now that both fuba and mderg are intentionally hiding or trying to get attention - I still think fuba is the lynch.
I am not going to convince both of you to switch to fuba, but Palmar's flip will prove to be a headache for us.
Are they hiding?
Or are they trying to get attention?
I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch.
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On June 05 2014 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I don't see how this has anything to do with my alignment. Hell, if I am mafia I would like to think I'd actually have continued playing on that day, mostly because I'd have known this was a mislynch and I needed some continuation strategy. What I did instead was to fuck off and leave no strategy for myself as mafia.
By this logic, shouldn't you be scumreading mderg?
After all, if fuba was mafia he would be playing more, right, since he has to try to squirm out of getting lynched tomorrow?
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Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum.
It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same).
If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think.
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Day 2.
24 hours till the first lynch.
I barely slept - I was wondering what kind of horrific game was this. As I stumbled out of the room, there was a huge commotion going on. In the middle, the person who identified himself as 'jabberwockzerg', the timid one, was surrounded by ninjabunnies, sqrt and fuba. They were literally screaming at jabber, who was cowering at the center of the commotion.
I joined in and heard about how jabber accidentally let loose some details that may prove him to be mafia. Without hesitation, ninjabunnies went to the voting box and voted for jabber. '27ninjabunnies have voted for jabberwockzerg', a booming voice rang. Jabber broke down to tears and cried for help. I went to him and told him to quickly pack up and go, but was suspected by them to be 'scummy' instead. 'Why did you do this? Are you helping your scum buddy?' ninjabunnies claimed. I shouted back that I just wanted to help him. Mderg suddenly stepped in and helped jabber too. He fought a 3-on-1 battle while I reconsidered my options. 'What if jabber was the mafia we are looking for?' I walked to the voting box and voted for jabber. 'HaruRH have voted for jabberwockzerg', the voice boomed again. I shook. What would entail for jabber?
5 hours later, votes for jabber flowed in. Mderg is still defending jabber and voted for Meapak instead, who he thinks is a stronger case for the real mafia. The general consensus was that jabber was playing like a mafia, and with jabber hiding himself in his room, not defending himself, he was set to be 'lynched' today.
The time for the lynch came. A shadowy figure came in from almost nowhere and poured out all the votes from the box. 'NO!' screamed jabber, from his own room. He was genuinely afraid. The figure counted and said in a deep voice: ' 11 votes for jabber. He shall be lynched' and walked to jabber's room.
Jabber was grabbed out of his room and onto the wooden platform, where everyone gathered around. 'Jabber the vanilla townie is thus lynched' as the figure tied the noose around jabber, who is still crying and shouting for help. The figure pulled a lever and jabber was hanged as the floor underneath him gave way. I could not believe my eyes. I actually voted for someone to die, in front of my eyes! I teared as I thought of how jabber was just scared and was helpless all long. We did not gather any information nor did we 'lynch' a mafia. The guilt of killing jabber and the fear of a mafia coming into my room to kill me is gnawing into my consciousness. I stumbled back into my room while glancing at jabber's helpless body one last time.
I cannot sleep tonight.
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On June 07 2014 02:02 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2014 01:19 HaruRH wrote:
It should be obvious by now that both fuba and mderg are intentionally hiding or trying to get attention - I still think fuba is the lynch.
I am not going to convince both of you to switch to fuba, but Palmar's flip will prove to be a headache for us. Are they hiding? Or are they trying to get attention? I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch.
trying not to get attention*
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On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote:
1) Reads
Mafia can have good reads, doesn't mean much to me.
Even if your reads have been legitimate, they mean little given how you acted.
Easy example: Your recent post says you "called the too scummy to be scum thing on jabber" - that's nice to say, but your action that day was to try to shut down conversation about any alternate wagons to ensure jabber got lynched.
Easy Example: Just saying you suspect slOosh doesn't mean anything when you aren't willing to vote him (or even give an adequate reason why you prefer M_Z). Your posts on slOosh/M_Z showed no analysis
You did the analysis on Sloosh, I agreed with it.
I did the analysis on MZ.
And yes, I did call that he was too scummy to be scum, and I repeatedly said it sucks we had to lynch him. Maybe we didn't have to do it, but I don't know.
Mafia sure can have good reads, sooo.... what's your point then. Do you think I did not believe my reasons for lynching Meapak. If you think I was not sincere in that main reason (95% post), then you maybe have a case for me being mafia. Most of my reads were good, not all of them were.
On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote:
2) Activity
You weren't active d2 or d3. You are not a highly active player this game. If you are town, I think it's good you are actually playing today, but it doesn't come off as town to me.
The attitude you are taking is ironic and to me, fake, given your play. Now you are complaining to town about how it's already set on a lynch and how it won't try to consider anything else. This comes after 2 days where you voted M_Z, sat on your hands, and tried to actively discourage conversation. This whole blame thing is nice and all, but if you flip town I'll be pretty comfortable chalking it up to your anti-town play and hopefully seeing a win tomorrow in spite of your play.
The idea only town can make a lot of posts is almost as persuasive to me as M_Z's case on Alakaslam.
I've said repeatedly that I don't post when I don't need to post. Do you want me to sit around and quote the case I made on MZ every hour or so, just so it looks like I'm doing something.
Like I don't know how blind you are, but notice how my activity coincides perfectly with the points in the game where I want to affect the outcome. huh... I post when I want to say something. Who would've thought?
I have not playing anti-town. Fuck you for saying that.. I was wrong on one read, that's not anti town. Don't even pretend that you can be comfortable chalking me flipping town up to that. Not a single thing I've done this game is anti-town. I've been open, I've explained everything I've done. Not everyone has the benefit of a cop check on their target.
Do you know what the difference between MZ and me is? I am actively trying to stop myself being lynched. MZ did nothing. Count MZ's posts on the day he was getting lynched on, and compare it to what I've done today.
There is no excuse, you're making a terrible play. Far worse than me being wrong on MZ.
On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote:
3) Reasons
You keep pretending the reasons for the lynch are different from what they are. First you claim you are only being lynched from fear, but now it's only because you voted wrong on M_Z. I think the second reason is pretty good, actually, but it applies to Fuba as well.
Why not both?
People being wrong doesn't make them mafia. I guess the only way for you to learn this is to actually get burned. I had clear reasons for lynching MZ, I had clear reasons for trying to affect the lynch on day 2. I was open and honest about my reasons all the way through.
However, you're looking at "what" I did, not "how" I did it, which is your downfall.
On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote:4) Fuba I asked you specifically why Fuba is scummier than you, and the only response I saw was: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=65#1291Additionally, you raise this point earlier- Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 06:47 Palmar wrote:
@fuba. at some point before day 2, I think it was during night 1 or so, you had a long back and forth with gobble. Can you explain why your suspicions of him seemed to just vanish and the first thing you did on the next day was to vote sqrtofneg1 who you had barely talked about. Did you go after gobble d2? It's counterintuitive that you can think fuba is the most scummy player and that you are a towny player when the grounds apply to both of you.
Well I was trying to talk to him. For me to build a case he needs to actually respond. But thanks to you being awful he doesn't have to respond. He can just sit there on his ass and watch this mislynch.
I've provided a bunch of other reasons. And while you're obviously too full of fear to believe me, by far the most convincing reason fuba is scummier than I am is that I've made about 12x the posts he has done today. Doesn't even matter what the content is.
And there's more, you're just too confirmation biased at the moment to even read what I say. fuba was never at the forefront of anything in this game. On day 1 I was active in pushing the jabber thing while he waffled back and forth on it. I then actively explained and yet shut down discussion on why he could be mafia. I don't even know what fuba was doing at the time.
When trying to switch to MZ on day 2, it was MY push. I was the one yelling about how MZ was a better lynch because there was no resistance to the sloosh lynch. Again, fuba was far more in the background.
The MZ lynch was my lynch. The case we lynched him on on day 3 was mostly my case. Everything I've done this game I've done while sticking my neck out for it. You just don't understand that mafia doesn't like doing that.
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On June 07 2014 02:02 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2014 01:19 HaruRH wrote:
It should be obvious by now that both fuba and mderg are intentionally hiding or trying to get attention - I still think fuba is the lynch.
I am not going to convince both of you to switch to fuba, but Palmar's flip will prove to be a headache for us. Are they hiding? Or are they trying to get attention? I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch.
I'm assuming that "get" should probably be "not get" or "avoid".
And Haru is being the only reasonable enough human being to understand that the guy not saying anything and quietly watching the show is far more likely to be mafia than the guy who's actively participating in the game.
Y'know, because Haru seems to be blessed with the ability to think.
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On June 07 2014 02:10 Amiko wrote:
Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum.
It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same).
If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think.
So lynch fuba first.
Between me and fuba, which one do you think is more likely to actually be able to save the town if mderg is the remaining mafia?
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On June 07 2014 02:07 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I don't see how this has anything to do with my alignment. Hell, if I am mafia I would like to think I'd actually have continued playing on that day, mostly because I'd have known this was a mislynch and I needed some continuation strategy. What I did instead was to fuck off and leave no strategy for myself as mafia.
By this logic, shouldn't you be scumreading mderg? After all, if fuba was mafia he would be playing more, right, since he has to try to squirm out of getting lynched tomorrow?
Fuba hasn't played throughout the game. That's the difference between me and him.
I've played when I wanted something done.
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On June 07 2014 02:10 Amiko wrote:
Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum.
It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same).
If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think.
Honestly, I think we have enough information from Palmar today. I say we lynch fuba today and pressure mderg. He still have the chance of being the mafia - a remote chance is still a chance. I really want to hear what mderg have to say. Fuba doesn't seem to want to contribute. Get rid of him today.
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I've posted more in this game than the other two dudes combined and I'm being lynched
#logic
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Yeah M_Z's play was bad. Posting a lot before you die doesn't make you town.
Every time you say you agreed with my analysis of slOosh it just makes me feel you are more likely mafia. Part of my analysis was specifically saying that slOosh is scummier than M_Z. If you agreed with me, you would have gone slOosh. You made no attempt to engage on that point or suggest anything specific about your case was better..
I call you anti-town because you attempted to stop discussion
d1 (on jabber, by arguing we shouldn't raise other wagons),
d2 (on M_Z, by arguing platitudes rather than merits),
d3 (on M_Z, with a 'why should i care' attitude).
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