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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On June 07 2014 05:15 Palmar wrote: @mderg if you're mafia you should totally be voting fuba. Interesting... why do you think so? I think in this situation one has to play similar as either mafia or town, both only have to survive in order to win. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 07 2014 05:30 mderg wrote: Interesting... why do you think so? I think in this situation one has to play similar as either mafia or town, both only have to survive in order to win. Yes but you already see how tunneled in amiko is on me. If you're mafia, the optimal strategy for you is to get fuba killed and then go with the explanation that I weaseled myself out of a lynch. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
So, knowing how hard it is to pull out of a tunnel, I decided to basically help Amiko (and others) as much as I possibly could by not acting like MZ. I have posted a fuckton, explained everything I've done in detail, explained why none of my actions make me mafia. At least while I messed up on MZ I'm happy that I at least made sure town had enough information to make an incredibly difficult choice. Sadly it didn't happen, but I tried. I did not play anti-town. It is not anti-town to have opinions and explain them. Everything I've done this game has always been explained very thoroughly. From the jabber lynch, my jabber hesitation, the MZ read, the reason I got suspicious of the sloosh wagon, why I stuck with the MZ read and finally today, I have always explained myself. All I'm guilty of is being wrong on the order of my scumreads. Yes I put MZ number one. My bad. Doesn't make me mafia. Not all of us had a cop check to rely on. Amazing to get lynched for only figuring out 2/3 mafia team on day 2, but such is life. gg guys. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:47 HaruRH wrote: >.> you're really bent on killing off both fuba and palmar. But I still think that mderg still have the remote chance of being mafia. We should really let palmar live for one more day, lynch fuba who is still unwilling to contribute until now and make mderg and palmar try to convince the remaining of us who is more scummy should it still go on. The order doesn't matter, but having palmar who is willing to talk is better than fuba, who is just hiding. Careful, your head might explode with all that logic. Thanks for using rational thought today. It's not easy to objectively look at a game in a state like this and realize town is doing the wrong thing. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
Palmar looks town, but I'm not gonna desert my D1 scumread. So far, I've been able to pin at least one mafia on D1. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
I cannot play blue roles. I am incapable of playing them well. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 07 2014 06:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote: *correction: I've been able to pin at least one mafia on D1 if I'm vanilla town, which I'm not this time. I cannot play blue roles. I am incapable of playing them well. Idk you didn't really mess shit up, I think you played fine. being a blue role should in no way impact your scumhunting ability. Also, I look town because I am town. But the whole not lynching townies thing doesn't seem to be in style here. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
On June 07 2014 06:51 Palmar wrote: being a blue role should in no way impact your scumhunting ability. Unfortunately, it does. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I don't really know why. It seems to me that all the same information should be presented to you. Anyway, here's a thing. Tomorrow, you need to look into the response to Slam's roleblock on n1 (it was slam on n1 right?). If people were throwing townreads on him left and right over the next day, it is not out of the realm of possibility that mafia might have gotten an idea that this town would not question roleblocks. I won't have time to do it before the deadline. I still think fuba is more likely to flip mafia, based on number of other factors I've already mentioned. But make sure you at least check how town responded to Slam's roleblock claim and if it might have caused mafia to think not roleblocking would be a good idea. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I'm alone again. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
@Fuba: On mderg with gobble & M_Z I actually liked this point. I can’t put too much stock in it (if mderg is scum, Palmar is town and he was also pushing for M_Z around the same time) but it was something on mderg I hadn’t looked at. On mderg vote timing I think your point isn’t bad, but I do think scum could believe that sqrt would change his vote. At least, when talk started up about vote changing I wasn’t particularly surprised to see sqrt move his vote given how he had reacted to the votes the prior day. Can you explain what you mean by this a little more? On June 07 2014 02:57 fuba wrote: Huh, palmar's kinda in the same boat as mderg in this situation, except he doesn't switch. My instinct tells me this is evidence of palmar being more likely town than mderg. Dunno though, would have to give that a bit more thought than I have time for atm. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
But why are you alone, shouldn't there be other people there? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
(Which means I'm mafia in bizarro-world). So I started writing a diary stranded on a desert island. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Vote count: Palmar (4) - sqrtofneg1, fuba (2) - HaruRH, mderg (0) - Not voting (0) : - Currently Palmar is set to be lynched! Day ends in | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Palmar questions the possibility that if Slam was getting townread for the roleblock, it may make mderg more likely to fake the claim. Alakaslam claimed here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=35#685) I don’t see any real discussion of Slam or the roleblock in a positive way. Actually, I think the little discussion we had of Slam was a null read from sqrt (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=36#710). Nobody really seemed to consider the roleblock. So, I still tend to think mafia was more likely to roleblock mderg than not use the block. @Palmar: I still think the best reasons to suspect fuba being scum is that he makes a case on gobble, basically drops it, then makes a case on sqrt, and again basically drops it. It's hard to say that's scummier than you, though, when I don't feel like you really explored other options. I still feel pretty good about lynching both you and fuba, and I still I think the best way to effect that is lynching you first. Still reading though :3 | ||
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