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Palmar
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:53 Amiko wrote: (1) What about these posts confirmed it to you? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
If the posts confirmed your suspicions, they should have content in them that leads you to read him as scum. If the posts had content that turned your suspicions into a slam dunk, then you should be using them in your case. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://blogs.citypages.com/food/RIP-500-square.jpg) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:01 Amiko wrote: This just reflects why the point is good. If the posts confirmed your suspicions, they should have content in them that leads you to read him as scum. If the posts had content that turned your suspicions into a slam dunk, then you should be using them in your case. + Show Spoiler + I have no idea what you're talking about. The posts did not confirm my suspicions. The posts had no content that turned my suspicions into a slam dunk. So... can you get me up to speed? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: You misunderstand why I posted bunnies reaction. The post is that your case was not seen as serious, and when you pressed it people responded (as they should) doubting its sincerity. Bunnies' reaction just goes to show how little pressure your case provided. Anyway, you have nothing to lose by making that kind of case as mafia, maybe if you're lucky she OMGUSes you and you use that to try to support the lynch. Part of my case was that slOosh was M_Z, except more scummy. If you thought my case was right, you shouldn't have been on M_Z. If you didn't think that was correct, you didn't agree with me and should have tried to convince me on the merits. I scumhunt even when I think I have caught scum. Anyway, you start pushing for M_Z only after fuba has made a case for people to switch to M_Z. I think you could accurately predict sqrt and Haru could be moved (because I thought they could be moved too). Why not? You just say "I guess I was wrong, so it must be XYZ" Anyway, for all you know, the cop has no checks. It's possible that the cop checked players who had died. It's possible that you roleblocked the cop on days the cop would check living players. And, you don't know who the cop or medic are. If you are lucky, maybe Slam will flip as one of the blue roles. For all you know, your strategy is a winning strategy because it's possible there will only be one blue (who you could kill tonight). The idea that you didn't make a winning strategy is incorrect because it considers information you did not know. Given the information you did know, your strategy was fine. If you are town, you certainly risked the game with your play on day 2 and day 3. It doesn't matter. The game is at risk until it's over. That's the nature of the game. (Anyway play has been pretty great, I can't believe you guys didn't roleblock me n2) | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
D2's vote count: On June 01 2014 10:07 Blazinghand wrote: Vote count: Meapak_Ziphh (5) - slOosh(5) - Amiko, Alakaslam, Sqrtofneg1(0) - Not voting (1) : - gobbledydook Currently slOosh is set to be lynched! Day ends in Sloosh was mafia, MZ was town. Therefore mafia should have voted MZ. Palmar, SlOosh, fuba, sqrtofneg1, HaruRH voted MZ. Palmar, sloosh is confirmed mafia, I'm blue, haru is cop checked as town. Palmar or fuba mafia. We lynch one of them today, the other one next day. ezpz. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
You suspected M_Z on day 1, but were not sure. You became sure during night 1. You became sure because of M_Z's inactivity. | ||
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Amiko
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:38 Amiko wrote: Let's be honest, it's possible but it's too remote. Even if mderg had been on the M_Z wagon I think Fuba and Palmar would arguably make better lynches. Yep. I'm not lynching mderg. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: You misunderstand why I posted bunnies reaction. The post is that your case was not seen as serious, and when you pressed it people responded (as they should) doubting its sincerity. Bunnies' reaction just goes to show how little pressure your case provided. Anyway, you have nothing to lose by making that kind of case as mafia, maybe if you're lucky she OMGUSes you and you use that to try to support the lynch. Yes, this is the logical leap you keep making. You've decided I'm mafia and thus there must be mafia reasons for doing whatever it is I'm doing. I don't know how bunny would react. If I'm right and she's mafia she might overreact to a stupid little case. If she's town she would probably brush it off like she did. There is a reason I posted it, and that reason is a town reason. On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: Part of my case was that slOosh was M_Z, except more scummy. If you thought my case was right, you shouldn't have been on M_Z. If you didn't think that was correct, you didn't agree with me and should have tried to convince me on the merits. Again, stop saying what I "should" have done according to your view of the game. In my opinion townies shouldn't lie but they do it all the time anyway. In my opinion townies shouldn't roleclaim on day 1, and again, they keep doing it. I don't care if you think sloosh was the same as MZ, He did not write the post MZ wrote that made me want to lynch MZ, so by definition they are not the same. But that doesn't mean I didn't think sloosh was mafia and wasn't fine with lynching him early on. I don't know why the idea that someone might actually take a flyer on a good case by a townread is so alien to you. The only reason I ended up actually pushing for MZ instead of sloosh was the lack of resistance to the sloosh lynch (and it was pretty clear, aside from me no one opposed it all that strongly). Put yourself in my shoes for a second. I know I'm town, and no one is questioning this sloosh lynch. There is a reason I was suspicious of it. [QUOTE]On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: [QUOTE]On June 05 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote: I don't waste time when I'm playing mafia. I see no reason to post when town is doing what I want it to be doing. I was okay with Sloosh getting the lynch until later in the day. If I was mafia and planned to defend him I probably would've done it earlier and not just based on wagon speed. But hey, ignore that. ... I'm not this incompetent as mafia dude. When you drop the case I make a decision on what I want to do, and I either bus him for credit or defend him by breaking your case. Your case was good, you KNOW your case was good. If I'm mafia and don't want sloosh to die I would have to dismantle it immediately. Your explanation does not fit. [/quote] I scumhunt even when I think I have caught scum. Anyway, you start pushing for M_Z only after fuba has made a case for people to switch to M_Z. I think you could accurately predict sqrt and Haru could be moved (because I thought they could be moved too). I don't scumhunt when there's one mafia left and I think I know who it is. I don't care if you think I should. I already answered the bolded thing. I can't even remember fuba pushing MZ, in hindsight I was the first person to start person to actively try to change the lynch, and I tried to do it because I felt like there was no resistance to it. [QUOTE]On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: [QUOTE]On June 05 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote: The backtracking strategy you're claiming is actually awful, because if I'm mafia I need two mislynches here, not one. It woul be ok if I needed just one. I can't do the "contemplate my reads" thing twice. [/quote] Why not? You just say "I guess I was wrong, so it must be XYZ" Anyway, for all you know, the cop has no checks. It's possible that the cop checked players who had died. It's possible that you roleblocked the cop on days the cop would check living players. And, you don't know who the cop or medic are. If you are lucky, maybe Slam will flip as one of the blue roles. For all you know, your strategy is a winning strategy because it's possible there will only be one blue (who you could kill tonight). The idea that you didn't make a winning strategy is incorrect because it considers information you did not know. Given the information you did know, your strategy was fine.[/QUOTE] Nope I don't put my money on luck when I'm mafia. But that's subjective. [QUOTE]On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: [QUOTE]On June 05 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote: And you're risking the game on you being cocky.[/QUOTE] If you are town, you certainly risked the game with your play on day 2 and day 3. It doesn't matter. The game is at risk until it's over. That's the nature of the game. (Anyway play has been pretty great, I can't believe you guys didn't roleblock me n2)[/QUOTE] Not sure I would've actually roleblocked you if I'm mafia. I didn't get the feeling you were cop from reading the case on sloosh. It was pretty well disguised. [/b] | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: You misunderstand why I posted bunnies reaction. The post is that your case was not seen as serious, and when you pressed it people responded (as they should) doubting its sincerity. Bunnies' reaction just goes to show how little pressure your case provided. Anyway, you have nothing to lose by making that kind of case as mafia, maybe if you're lucky she OMGUSes you and you use that to try to support the lynch. Yes, this is the logical leap you keep making. You've decided I'm mafia and thus there must be mafia reasons for doing whatever it is I'm doing. I don't know how bunny would react. If I'm right and she's mafia she might overreact to a stupid little case. If she's town she would probably brush it off like she did. There is a reason I posted it, and that reason is a town reason. On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: Part of my case was that slOosh was M_Z, except more scummy. If you thought my case was right, you shouldn't have been on M_Z. If you didn't think that was correct, you didn't agree with me and should have tried to convince me on the merits. Again, stop saying what I "should" have done according to your view of the game. In my opinion townies shouldn't lie but they do it all the time anyway. In my opinion townies shouldn't roleclaim on day 1, and again, they keep doing it. I don't care if you think sloosh was the same as MZ, He did not write the post MZ wrote that made me want to lynch MZ, so by definition they are not the same. But that doesn't mean I didn't think sloosh was mafia and wasn't fine with lynching him early on. I don't know why the idea that someone might actually take a flyer on a good case by a townread is so alien to you. The only reason I ended up actually pushing for MZ instead of sloosh was the lack of resistance to the sloosh lynch (and it was pretty clear, aside from me no one opposed it all that strongly). Put yourself in my shoes for a second. I know I'm town, and no one is questioning this sloosh lynch. There is a reason I was suspicious of it. On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: [/b]I scumhunt even when I think I have caught scum. Anyway, you start pushing for M_Z only after fuba has made a case for people to switch to M_Z. I think you could accurately predict sqrt and Haru could be moved (because I thought they could be moved too). I don't scumhunt when there's one mafia left and I think I know who it is. I don't care if you think I should. I already answered the bolded thing. I can't even remember fuba pushing MZ, in hindsight I was the first person to start person to actively try to change the lynch, and I tried to do it because I felt like there was no resistance to it. On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: Why not? You just say "I guess I was wrong, so it must be XYZ" Anyway, for all you know, the cop has no checks. It's possible that the cop checked players who had died. It's possible that you roleblocked the cop on days the cop would check living players. And, you don't know who the cop or medic are. If you are lucky, maybe Slam will flip as one of the blue roles. For all you know, your strategy is a winning strategy because it's possible there will only be one blue (who you could kill tonight). The idea that you didn't make a winning strategy is incorrect because it considers information you did not know. Given the information you did know, your strategy was fine. Nope I don't put my money on luck when I'm mafia. But that's subjective. On June 06 2014 00:07 Amiko wrote: If you are town, you certainly risked the game with your play on day 2 and day 3. It doesn't matter. The game is at risk until it's over. That's the nature of the game. (Anyway play has been pretty great, I can't believe you guys didn't roleblock me n2) Not sure I would've actually roleblocked you if I'm mafia. I didn't get the feeling you were cop from reading the case on sloosh. It was pretty well disguised. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:35 Amiko wrote: Before I respond, let me get this straight: You suspected M_Z on day 1, but were not sure. You became sure during night 1. You became sure because of M_Z's inactivity. Sort of. Jabber's flip and re-reading MZ's posting also helped. I had become pretty certain when I posted that 95% post, but it was mostly based on earlier evidence. And not inactivity precisely, but rather lack of commitment to solving the game. I don't care how much people post if they post the right things. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On Day 1, you say that you suspect M_Z. At this time, the case is not a slam dunk. This is your excuse for not pushing M_Z on Day 1 as an alternative for jabber. On Night 1, you become certain that M_Z is scum. This suggests that something between your post Day 1 and your post Night 1 made you feel M_Z was confirmed scum. You can lie about your reasons now, so let's look at your actual post at the time: On May 30 2014 04:55 Palmar wrote: If I die tonight. MZ is like 95% mafia. His response to me here has nothing to do with what I was saying in the post. Like it's beyond obvious he's not reading the argument at all and all he wants to do is discredit me. What I was doing: Explaining why I thought MZ was mafia What MZ claims I was doing: Trying to back out of the read. The two are mutually exclusive damnit. I was explaining my read to someone who wasn't following it in hopes of convincing them, which is literally the opposite of trying to back out of a read. Your post here actually points to actions that happened earlier on Day 1 - things you already knew when you were not convinced. So, it looks suspicious to me because you are grounding your certainty in things you should have already known. Now, you are saying that M_Z became confirmed due to his inactivity. This explanation is suspect and scummy because you don't make any reference to this basis in your earlier post. (You also add in your most recent post that it was based on jabber and rereading M_Z, but neither of those points came up in your post, either). In other words, your case against M_Z did not raise the points that you claim convinced you he was mafia | ||
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Amiko
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