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On June 24 2014 03:34 HaruRH wrote: I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight.Hahaha I wouldn't worry if I were you. You have too many spotlights to be the first kill. Mafia will be roleblocked if they try to kill you. They will follow someone else. | ||
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I mean, if Haru goes to jail, any attempt of killing him would fail. Is that right? | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:26 Epishade wrote: If Haru goes to jail, then she's protected from any night-kills, but can not perform any night actions of her own. Cops don't put people in jail. Cops check someone during the night and find out their alignment. OH, I've got everything wrong. Wait, wait. Haru is a woman? By the way, why do you think my alignment is questionable, Haru? | ||
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On June 23 2014 13:02 Lord Tolkien wrote: I will probably be going to sleep/doing other shit after the flips. I've sunk way too much time into this today. One note: REMEMBER GUYS, talk and post at night. Obv don't talk about stupid shit like WHO'S BLUE, or WHO SHOULD COP CHECK/MEDIC PROTECT/CAPTAIN PLANET SMASH? But talking at night is something that town should absolutely still be doing. I'll do what I did in my past newbie games and post a comprehensive night analysis post just as it's about to end. This was completely ignored by GlowingBear (more on that tomorrow if he does anything else scummy). However, I look forwards to the mentioned analysis post, which will probably confirm my town read on him along with this: I think you're being too hard on a mistake I've made. I've said before I'm having a hard time keeping up all information and this post by Lord Tolkien is and example of it. Still, I can't see why this would result in a scumread instead of a wowwhatastupidguyread. I'll explain myself better after the end of the night. | ||
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First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. Can you explain this to me? I'm already writing thoughts on Tokien's death, but I think even after reading guides I'm not understanding roles quite well. How does the Nightkiller gets blocked and Vig (what is a Vig?) still manage to have the kill? | ||
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On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie. The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot. There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death. His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00) Fence reads: Nydus Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else. He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up. Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. | ||
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are there any clues on mod posts? | ||
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On June 25 2014 00:49 The_Templar wrote: I highly doubt it, considering it was never mentioned. Saying Tolkien was devoided of salt instead that he has been shot sounded like a clue of what happened this night... | ||
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On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote: I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game. It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do. Templar: 1) If it was really that simple, I'd say that Teemu and Jabber are Mafia because meatpudding and Kotc were considered scummy much more than those other two. If Mafia killed Lord Tolkien because he was getting closer to a right path than everybody it's because he scumread people that weren't scumread a lot by others. 2) I don't believe it's as simple as (1) and I think you have good logic here. My stronget read was in meatpudding since from the beginning. I'm just afraid he is contradicting himslef out of newbieness lol. 3) My logic isn't strong behind this scenario. I'd say that they were focusing the nightkill on one of the top townies (because they might be blue in Mafia's head) but when I reavealed my thoughts on Haru they changed their target to an unlikely person to avoid wasting a nightkill on someone who could probably be protected. Is it clearer now? I'm having a hard time explaining my thoughts XD 4) Well... I'm like Vizzini from Princess Bride haha The Vigilante scenario is possible but... god, it's so hard for it to happen, don't you think? Mafia got roleblocked and Vigilante shot the wrong person? Why not shooting meatpudding or kotc or other people that bandwagoned(?) MM1? And there is a possibility that we may not even have a Vigilante on this game, right? And about Kotc, I'm getting better reads on him. He is sounding more like a townie to me, mostly because of his most recent posts. So, my scum radar is getting signals from two people now: meatpudding and epishade. | ||
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On June 25 2014 01:24 Alakaslam wrote: No. This is related to the thing stated earlier, I will quote myself because I particularly like it: On June 21 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote: There is no cow level. The black sheep wall cannot be removed. The shroud regrows, and the GPS satellite is down as your tech center was destroyed. Beware Basically this meant: NO CLUES! That would be waaaaaay too town favored. Not to discourage asking! Jeez, I'm too stupid. LOL sorry and thanks | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:42 Amiko wrote: It's in the OP but so no one misses it- BlondeMocha has been modkilled - his role was Yeoman Crewmember (VT). Tolkien is not listed as killed in OP | ||
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On June 25 2014 05:27 HaruRH wrote: Also glowingbear if you're here, please answer my few questions: 1) if you get to shoot someone now, who will you shoot? 2) who are your current fence reads? 3) who have been removed/added to your scumreads and why? 1) I'd shoot meatpudding. Reasons: he seems scummy to me, his posts are confusing and I still don't buy his first vote on you. Moreover, his flip would clear some contradictions regarding Kotc. 2) Kotc, jabb, Nydus, Hobbitus. I've already explained that Kotc is getting more consistent in his posts, giving him a "town aura". But, WIFOMing, he could be doing this to get away from a partner who will probably die and flip red and, therefore, blending into town. That's why his on the fence on my reads, now. The other three, I find suspicious their inactivity, specially Nydus and less Hobbitus. 3)I've removed Kotc for the reasons above and put Epishade for his odd post. I've read him before as slightly town, I believe, but I don't think that the second scenario I've brought is too much WIFOM to think about... but I'll still filter dive him (and answer you, Teemu) to get a better view. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:18 Epishade wrote: Didn't realize you posted a filter as well to one of your games. To clarify, I didn't post a link to my other game, I just briefly mentioned it in my introduction. I'm just using the word 'filter' as any reference to previous games in this context, the way I thought Meat intended for it to mean. So, you're right that he probably wasn't drawing connections either. In any case though, I think I'm going to retract my earlier read on Meat for now. I thought that his pointing out connections (or rather, scumreading people for non-alignment indicative reasons) based on those who posted past games wasn't something a mafia would look for. I still kind of don't, and I think Meat could be more of a misguided townie in this instance. In the past game I played with him, he tried to get me lynched (we were both town) by arguing that a dead townie thought I was scum and that was why he was shot, - which you should almost never take into consideration dead townie opinions b/c they don't know who's mafia and who's not. I, in turn, mistook Meat as mafia because he was pushing against me based on faulty reasoning. I'm just saying here that, based on a past game I've played with Meat, I can understand that he thinks something might be scummy and label people as scum even when they're not and even when Meat's not scum. Unfortunately, this makes it pretty much impossible to distinguish Meat's alignment based on his actions, because I know he's made actions in the past that I found questionable. Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch. Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you. Unvote Vote: MysteryMeat1 I was reading him slightly town until this very post, which most of you mentioned. Also, in his early posts, he managed to raise suspicious reads on Teemu and HaruRH who, although I've already said I have my eyes open, sounded mostly townies. This post of him still voting on MM1 after even assuming he might be town. I think meatpudding was a little bit... "odder"? Then, the most recent post regarding Tolkien's death. So, I have a slight scumread on Epi, although I must assume he is very logical, specially regarding his initial posts. | ||
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On June 25 2014 09:59 Tehpoofter wrote: So I use a lot of people reads to give reads on them. People progressions like I got to X is scum for Y reason. If you have someone listed as Town and then you vote them 20 minutes later and they didn't post you better have had some sort of epiphany. It also is for selfish reasons as I'm just getting into the game kinda seeing where everyone ended up after a full day with a ML and a night kill. Thats a lot of info for people in the game. And while I'm reading through it helps me to gauge people's roles. Why do you think giving reads would be in any way not useful? Also it doesn't have to be on everyone in game but by this point you should have a grasp on a decent amount of those playing that have been talking. I don't expect people to have reads on the inactives like myself (RiP Solar424) and Scott although he did have a bit more of a filter until we've settled in a bit. Also don't forget the EOD thing! Thats important Oh, alright. I thought you wanted from everyone in the game and that sounded strange to me. I have this feeling that it's a mafia thing to request such thing then create a ruckus when someone shifts their opinion on someone they have weak reads just to confuse town. So, here it goes: Templar Haru Teemu TheKingOfTheCats Hobbitus [red] Epishade meatpudding 2) I'll be here by the EOD Templar, I've been voting and scumreading meatpudding since the beginning. Also, when I revealed my scumread on Epishade, I did before even Teemu mentioned it. By the way, the huge galore on null reads was a response to Haru, who asked me to give a read on everybody reads. I'm not trying to be defensive. I just want to clear this up. By the way, thanks for the heads up concerning Teemu's approach on townies. I've read his filters and I may say that, although it's a little WIFOM, that his approach on townies can look suspicious. Nonetheless, he still looks town for me when building his logic. By the way, I think meatpudding's flip would also clear this up. I'll hold on to my opinion that meatpudding is key to analyze the whole thread. ##Vote: meatpudding Also, just to understand: what is useful to scum to reveal his thoughts on blue? | ||
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