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On June 27 2014 06:15 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... Sorry if I missed it in earlier post but I know you said you switched because he was lurking but do you think meat was still scum at that time or did he become town. And what's your current read on meat now I still believe he is scum because of his contradictions and his passivity (? Is this a word?), but at the moment I considered he could be just a bad town and that we were in a Town VS Town scenario in which mafia was comfortably sitting and watching us killing ourselves. I thought that way after realising our scumreads on Tolkien and MysteryMeat1 were based mostly on contradictions and that they flipped green So looking back at the voting records of day 2 there were four votes on meat then someone unvoted and then you unvoted when there were 3 left to go onto someone who has the potential to be mod killed. His role is going to get revealed when he is modkilled so why not vote elsewhere you think scum is?
Why were you so sure he would be modkilled? We already had a modkill and used our replacements, so the hosts were probably looking for replacements already, no…?
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On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else.
are you fucking kidding me?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315
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On June 27 2014 09:00 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else. are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315 I wasnt in the thread at that point in the game calm your tits.
Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean, but you really should have read at least the past few pages to catch up on what was going on, you've had nearly 24 hours now… >.>
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On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:
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I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having.
I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game.
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On June 27 2014 09:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:05 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
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I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having. I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game. He also wasnt voted on day 1
Yeah… but what does it mean?
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On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
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On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all.
What exactly do you mean by that?
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On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1.
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is.
Before I switched from MysteryMeat to meatpudding, I had no way to figure out which of the meats was more likely to be scum, so I pressured MysteryMeat, who was actually starting to show up and post not-very-amazing stuff at that point. He did something- anything useful at all was what I was looking for!- and read his most likely scum, so I decided he could be useful to the town later on if he was town, and I switched back to meatpudding. Yes, this is not the best reason in the world.
In addition, I had a strong town read on Lord Tolkien for most of the day and sided with him when I voted for MysteryMeat, yes a bit irrationally, but I wasn't entirely sure about anything at that point. In addition to the pressure capability it had on Meat, it was a more useful vote than meatpudding, which was just sitting there on a very sudden wagon (that, since then, has not really developed).
Once he starts throwing logic out of the window, I realize that he might not be useful in any pressured scenario (this is the end of the first day and he's already going crazy?) and mentally put my vote back onto him in case his arguments continued to deteriorate, which they did.
I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing.
And I had was already mentally voting for MM where you say I immediately agreed with you. I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. My thoughts changed quite a bit because MysteryMeat's post pattern changed quite a bit. Around this time, he refused to give a read despite being asked about something that could be considered controversial, so I decided I would sit and wait to see if he was going to go over the edge or if he was about to explain why he didn't want to explain. "Deal with it" is not a good explanation.
Finally, I'm sorry that I am not incredibly intransigent like you seem to want me to be. Simply command it and I will be as unbending and inflexible as possible, sticking to my initial lynch targets until the end of time and refusing to consider other points of view that weren't initially obvious, just so that I can look town to you.
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On June 27 2014 11:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that? I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town.
Do you think I would do something scummy such as that if I was good at arguing my opinions, considering I've shown I have enough of a spine to form my own and use them?
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On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to.
I didn't initially vote him primarily because of the MM/scott post. I voted him because he didn't post at all despite being the main focus of the town at the time, which happened to be directly related to the scott post.
When I say stuff, I express my thoughts, hit post (I do not carefully consider my posts) and then I usually realize that I didn't clarify something, so I go back and check it.
Sorry for being hostile. This is the first time in a forum game that I've been pressured (never happened in TL+ game) so I lashed out a bit more than I intended.
I don't like being asked questions about my thoughts about other people, but I'm ok with being asked questions about myself. It just caught me off-guard.
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On June 27 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Can you please update your list you've sent to tehpoofter?
Or only post your top town and top scum reads ATM.
Teemursu
meatpudding
I'm filter diving a lot and it is exhausting. Jesus. Please do as I say before night ends, please
My list hasn't changed a whole lot (besides nydus being removed). Mtam is obviously further down because he's been doing a lot of questionable stuff.
More town on top, more scum on bottom (this applies to everyone on my list)
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Tehpoofter*
Epishade*
GlowingBear, Haru*
Teemu*
mtamburini
Meatpudding*
Jabberwockzerg
Tehpoofter: Seems to be generally pro-town, is organized. Want to see more out of him before I make a real decision about him. Haven't read his filter very thoroughly so I might be misreading this one.
Epishade: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Haru: His argument with mtam is weird. Not sure how to interpret it.
Teemu: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Meatpudding: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently, except Jabber has been more scummy recently.
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I'm off to bed.
Hobbitus I think you're a little fast to straight-up call me scum considering you only started considering it a few hours ago. Although that may just be because you didn't specify how scum/town anyone was (which is what is really being asked for, so please clarify)
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Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts
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On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts
(hobbitus + glowing)
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On June 27 2014 15:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 14:03 mtamburini wrote:
All vts are dying did we really get stuck with no roles this game?
Will do vote analysis tomorrow. Going to bed now super tired was modding a Video Game. So bunch of dead Vt's Cop with red check out today. If you have two green checks alive probably out otherwise use your own judgement. Vigi might consider claiming. Medic don't claim. I might be all of these roles or none.
There's still no medic.
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On June 27 2014 15:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." I'm ok with hobbitus's arguments but this weird. So you mean that you scumread him during the mm/meatpudding lynch d1, but gave him a townread?? Are you trying to jump ship so that you won't be held accountable for voting a strong townread?
One outlier does not a scum read make, until you feel like it.
I'm not sure why Hobbitus and GlowingBear wait until day 3 to jump on someone and stick on him, and I'm still not sure why that someone is me…
I'm finding some interesting patterns in your posts Hobbitus. Currently reading into them.
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On June 27 2014 22:22 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts So what do you have to defend yourself? Please don't run away from defense like jabber/scott/nydus.
I'm not running away. That would be stupid.
However, it's unfortunate for me that I'm being pushed for stuff I ALWAYS do, regardless of alignment. My opinion is variable so that I can see issues from other people's point of view, and because I can't ever reliably defend an entrenched position that I have.
Now, scum reading me because I look too consistent is very, very strange, considering the general flow of this game has been lynching because of inconsistency. I know they ended up being vanilla town, but I think a lot of us can agree that they looked scummy, so why does the opposite look scummy as well?
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On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
"Crusade"? Seriously…?
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On June 27 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 22:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. "Crusade"? Seriously…? Pun wasn't intended :/
Pun?…
Templar… oh what the hell -.-
I have office hours from now to two hours later and from 4 hours from now to 6, so I'll be unavailable during those times. I'll be back in two hours.
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OK, I left 5 minutes early, reading posts that have occurred since I awoke.
On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment.I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
So why do you suspect him as scum?
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