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 04:00 GMT (+00:00) In about 7 hours 30 mins right? | ||
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##Vote Caller I am voting Caller because what Caller has done so far points at him being scum. He has fired a pretty much random nuke 10 posts into the game at someone who didn't post yet and you could not reasonably expect to have posted yet. It's a completely random nuke. We all agree that Caller is sometimes a little off but we also agree that he's a smart guy. And smart guys don't do this if they are town because there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. I think that Caller is scum who thought "Fuck it, I'll nuke somebody and hide behind my crazy reputation" because that's much more likely than Caller being town and thinking "Fuck it". It seems like everybody is second guessing themselves on the Caller issue. @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. @BlazingHand @Oatsmaster Please explain why you think Caller is town. | ||
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On April 15 2014 04:45 Ver wrote: There is a Traitor I think that for now we should assume that the nuke is real. If it is fake then I think someone (Caller) is going to tell us at some point (along with an explanation of why he thought firing it was a good idea, something I'd like him to provide anyway). @Ace What do you think of this nuke thing? On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote: You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/ This post makes it look like you don't think it's real but why do you think that? What do you think we should do about it right now? Also, I'm a little scared and a lot curious what Palmar thinks he can do in ~20 posts that will ruin the game. | ||
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On April 26 2014 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: No, trading 1 for 1 is dumb and stupid for scum either way. Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this. Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit. I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. | ||
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So you're admitting that what you did was exceedingly dumb? My out for you was pretty much that you explained why what you did was town motivated but instead you're going with the "Look at me, I'm crazy Caller doing crazy stuff! Don't lynch me when I nuke random people for no reason, I'm just that crazy!"-defense and as I already said, I don't buy that. You didn't play in that game, you hosted that game. No idea where you're going with this but it seems that you're not giving two fucks about this game, more scum points for you. | ||
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You don't join a game thinking "I'll fuck this up good". You just don't do that. Even if you're a lunatic, Chezinu or Alakaslam, you join thinking "I'll catch some scum, I'll do good, I'll be a good townie" but that's not what he's doing. I get the "too dumb to be scum" argument but it doesn't apply here. That argument applies when people do stuff like having a dumb scum reads. For example "he's scum for posting a smiley" or something like that, and it's not really "too dumb to be scum" it's "too paranoid not to be town". This is too dumb to be town because no one would ever do this as town, ever. And the "1for1 2dumb4scum" argument is not good, the reason it is not good is because of how much we're arguing about it now. It's simply not a 1 for 1 if you can get away with it and you can evidently get away with it with how much we disagree on it. VisceraEyes' argument that a scum Caller would shoot Foolishness/Ace is okay. I like it. I don't buy it though, Caller could easily have thought "Well, I wouldn't get away with nuking one of those guys!". You cannot reason about the motivation of a scum. Caller is scum for doing something no townie would ever do. This isn't a "that read is a little off, I don't think townies would do that", this is a guy shooting another guy 5 posts into the game. Caller even admitted that it was exceedingly dumb and he hinted that he thinks his meta permits him to get away with it. Townies don't do things they think is dumb just because they believe their meta allows them to do it without getting lynched. Completely scum. | ||
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also, since you can't figure out the answer to my question, it's "town". | ||
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On April 27 2014 18:39 Ace wrote: snb wagon o.0 Who would you lynch over strongandbig? (and why) ##Unvote | ||
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His filter is 1 post long and it's a boring list post that doesn't show real interest in thinking about and solving the game. I don't like the case on strongandbig. I simply think he's trying and that's a rare quality in this town. | ||
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Just some questions for Foolishness: If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? Why is Cephiro definitely not getting lynched today? And why do you think I should know this? Your meta on Cephiro is also wrong, check out Cell Mini Mafia for Cephiro's latest game and his latest game as scum. I have no idea why you think that a lurking Cephiro should just be left alone for an arbitrary amount of time and I have no idea why you think I should know this. Why is Cephiro definitely not getting lynched today? And why do you think I should know this? You last point about why I switched from Caller to Cephiro is also bad. Something happened between me wanting to lynch Caller and me wanting to lynch Cephiro. SOMETHING HAPPENED. The nuke landed and was a dud. There. I wanted to lynch him for killing someone and then it turned out he didn't kill someone. So I changed my opinion on Caller, decided I didn't like the current wagons in the game and decided that I'd like to lynch Cephiro. | ||
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On April 28 2014 04:59 Caller wrote: that post seems scummy. why? too bad ##unvote ##vote: prplhz durr hurr hurr durr. hurr? durrrrr ##unvote ##vote: prplhz no wait i am pardoned and cannot be lynched today NICE READING THE THREAD MORON | ||
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VisceraEyes Koshi Alakaslam (maybe) WaveofShadow strongandbig OdinOfPergo Blazinghand justanothertownie geript VayneAuthority (maybe) austinmcc People who make me angry: Blazinghand Oatsmaster Ace Foolishness sandroba Palmar People who /in'd this game because Ver is hosting even though they don't actually want to play in this game: RebirthOfLeGenD Ace gumshoe (maybe) | ||
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would lynch over strongandbig | ||
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not my preferred lynch but whatever i have like 1 or 2 posts left will give them to someone if they want and need them and i don't need them myself (and they're not on strongandbig) | ||
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I think Alakaslam is scum. No townie would do this dumb shit. When you are vigilante and you're not facing a scum shot then you hold your shot and you wait. No need to rush it. Especially in no flip games you don't shoot somebody just because you have a dumb (dumbb dumb dbum dbumdubd bduMDBUDMB DUBM DUBD UB) d1 hunch. Would vote Alakaslam but I saw how Caller got off scot free, maybe you wont lynch him and then Oatsmaster is good. Please give me some posts or I will literally go insane from not being able to post. | ||
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##Vote Oatsmaster i don't hold high hopes for this inb4 it's a scum tell that i vote for a wagon and denounce it in the same post 9 mins before deadline | ||
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i can link it to you if you don't believe me | ||
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good luck with snb | ||
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no no lynch sorry | ||
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On April 28 2014 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote: WHAT A SURPRISE | ||
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Ace wanted to lynch Caller because of the nuke (when Ace didn't know the nuke was fake). However when Alakaslam shot yamato77 he didn't care at all, just a throwaway comment on how it was a bad shot. Makes absolutely no sense to want to lynch one player for something and not wanting to lynch another player for the same thing. | ||
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make another post | ||
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On April 30 2014 06:45 Alakaslam wrote: Élan I am, am I, Nale? Nay, I am Élan the bard. Good 'ol oots WoS I am on everyone's shot list I am unkillable unless I am actually scum. So I will not die this game, unless me saying that really offends scum. It is Alakaslam's law of reverse-Murphy. you'll note that he always repeats first word four times though | ||
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On April 30 2014 09:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Foolishness is scum too btw in case anyone is still in doubt. Why do you think that? | ||
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We like our flips a lot here on forum mafia. If you shoot someone they will no flip, so please shoot some lurker just to get them out of the way. Shoot gumshoe or Oatsmaster or RebirthOfLeGenD. | ||
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No he didn't. sandroba had pretty much one piece of information: that case on strongandbig was not a case town Foolishness would have made. That's the piece of information needed for sandroba to make a case he was 100% sure of. What else matters? Would you really conclusively put it beyond the capabilities of a scum Foolishness to manipulate the pants off of Blazinghand without him even noticing it? | ||
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Tell me why Blazinghand making the infinitely vague statement "I think he's town" has convinced you in any way? Because I don't see it at all. | ||
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So please don't do another dumb shot. And can we please please please shoot lurkers and lynch scum? | ||
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21279191 Koshi Foolishness Foolishness 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id= the numbers are post ids, put them after the link to get to the post. just wanted to check of fool put oats in majority, he didn't. poofter did (with a vote on oats AND killing a fool vote) | ||
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In any case, we should lynch Foolishness today because he's 100% scum. | ||
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##Vote Foolishness | ||
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Does anybody agree with you on VisceraEyes? | ||
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Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is scum: Lets lynch Foolishness for being scum. Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is scum: Blazinghand has been fooling Foolishness in PMs for two days in a row. 4 srs? Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is town: Foolishness has been foolish Blazinghand in PMs for two days in a row. Lets lynch Foolishness. Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is town: Lets not lynch Blazinghand. Foolishness is 100% scum and needs to die. Today. Tomorrow we can talk about other things but for now we need to kill Foolishness. | ||
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I personally think that Alakaslam is scum over Blazinghand. There's someone else I'd rather lynch though. Maybe even two. | ||
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On May 04 2014 02:41 Ace wrote: I told Ver I'd have activity problems Give me an update on what I need to know, I'll be back tonight Cephiro claimed parity cop. He checked Blazinghand night 1 and Alakaslam night 2. They have different alignment. The parity cop works in "pairs", like he will need two more nights to get another "pair" check. | ||
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To me, Alakaslam's shot just seems like it's a scum shot. He shot not because he found scum, but in response to a dumb threat. Seems like he just wanted to shoot someone and then he made up a bullshit excuse. | ||
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The reason I think that Foolishness is scum is largely because of his case on strongandbig. The games I remember having played with Foolishness he generally blew me away with his cases, like I would sit in awe. Sometimes I wouldn't get them at first but then it would eventually dawn on me how good they actually were. But this case on strongandbig was completely horrible, the same with the case on me. I didn't really have the guts to just come out and say so (HERP DERP TOWNIES AREN'T AFRAID, NO BUT NOBODY WANTS TO BE WRONG) but then sandroba saw the same thing. sandroba and I aligned on several things in the game such as how Caller had to be lynched for the real nuke (which turned out to be fake). That sandroba was shot didn't influence my read in any way except I didn't have to worry (what little worry I had) about sandroba being scum, I could fully trust his opinion which I did, and still do. Also reading some old Foolishness games I happened upon this here: On March 15 2013 09:41 Foolishness wrote: Vote for yamato and get a for sure mafia killed. Would you ever day vigi someone day 1 if you were town? Nope. It's that simple. That's completely unlike what we've seen from Foolishness this game, he didn't push neither Caller nor Alakaslam. Doesn't matter their alignment really, it's weird that he didn't push them. Palmar could also easily be scum but this is not so much because of what sandroba said, this time I'm sheeping Ace. I like Ace's case because it's pretty simple so even people like me can understand it. Palmar said he would do something anti-town and then he did it, that pretty much seems to be the entire case on Palmar by Ace. I didn't really like it at first because Palmar pardoned ME (how is that anti-town???) and because I remember Palmar making a dumb shot on suki in ... Default Suspicions? He just shot someone, probably because he thought he might very well die that night. But then I compared those two cases some more and in Default Suspicions it wasn't all anti-town, it was also to get a flip and he also shot because he actually thought he might be hitting scum. It also doesn't matter if it was anti-town or not, it matters what Palmar thought and it seems like he thought it was anti-town. He didn't use it for anything townie either (like Caller used his fake nuke to make a list, pretty meh but it's something). His read on me has also been flaky (another point against him because other people know I'm town and Palmar should know before just about this game because he played with me before). Anyway, Palmar also hasn't really done anything for ages, he seems perfectly satisfied with being left alone and that's just not very townish of him. I think he likes it more when he can order people around and have some more fun while wrecking scum. There's also some associative crap but I don't like that, especially not before any flips. Anyway, I think they're both scum. Foolishness first is fine by me. ##Vote Foolishness | ||
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On May 06 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote: It doesn't matter what Foolishness' (or my) alignment is when it comes to Ace. If Foolishness is town, Ace knows this is a train wreck and doesn't care about it. Hell, let's assume I'm confused scum and will flip mafia, even that wouldn't help Ace's case, just make it look worse that he's not pushing a good lynch better. So you think Ace would push you like this even if you were both scum? | ||
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On May 22 2014 13:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't tell if I'm looking forward to Ver's analysis or not. | ||
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It's also a new thing, I'm sure it'll work out even better in future games when people get used to it. | ||
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