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Foolishness
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On March 15 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 09:34 Foolishness wrote:On March 15 2013 09:32 marvellosity wrote:
Announcement: this is important!
Corazon is currently controlling two votes, and he's placed them both on himself. If Foolishness is telling the truth and he has a one-time shot at not being lynched (I am assuming it would only be one time, the game would be broken otherwise), we need about FOUR votes on Corazon, apart from his own and slOosh's, to prevent him moving both votes to someone else with 1 vote. Announcementmarvellosity is misleading you all and Corazon is town! And sorry bro, it's not one-time, you'll have to stack some hits to get rid of me tonight. I'm kinda tempted to believe that you're telling the truth and that the 2nd placed player does get lynched; which makes it all the more important for you right now that Corazon doesn't die and expose you even further. I'm glad you came in to have a sarcastic pop at me rather than read the posts that I politely gave to you, though, that warms my heart.
I told you I would respond to it later when I have more time. I could quickly skim over it and write something but that won't be justice.
Though it's actually ironic how you accuse me of all these things that you are are guilty of the entire game. Like saying I pop in with sarcastic comments (though I guess your statements are more about calling people fucktards). It's also funny how you explicitly say "Hey I wrote this analysis cause that's what I do when I'm town!", like you need to justify why you wrote your response to me. If you were town you'd have no reason to justify analyzing someone.
And that's the problem with your whole play. You don't do any hard analysis nor are you making a hard attempt to figure things out. And when you do you have to justify it. Lots of people do that as mafia (I'm guilty of it as well if you look at some of my games).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 15 2013 09:37 Vivax wrote:prplhz knew how Plexa's role worked. He said Plexa has to send his actions in before dawn. He said he read it somewhere but forgot, it can't have been himself cause he wouldn't post this Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote:
how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done?
##Vote prplhz
Vote for yamato and get a for sure mafia killed.
Would you ever day vigi someone day 1 if you were town? Nope. It's that simple.
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I said that specifically to get you to read the posts. And it worked, as soon as I said it, you said you'd read my posts.
QED.
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Foolishness
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Though you do make a good point Vivax about prphlz.
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Holy crap. This Sniping etc. needs to stop right now. I think we all know we have progressed beyond the point of anything useful being added to the discussion. Both your positions are easily accessed and I am not of sure the value of you arguing with each other ad nauseum.
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On March 15 2013 09:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 09:37 Vivax wrote:prplhz knew how Plexa's role worked. He said Plexa has to send his actions in before dawn. He said he read it somewhere but forgot, it can't have been himself cause he wouldn't post this On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote:
how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done?
##Vote prplhz Vote for yamato and get a for sure mafia killed. Would you ever day vigi someone day 1 if you were town? Nope. It's that simple.
People have many times in the past, and you know this. Just one example - Mattchew in PYP:Redux.
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Well Foolish this town will never kill yamato, they think his shot was perfectly fine, same as his later play.
But we've found something we can fry prplhz on, maybe that will get people convinced cause I don't see how prplhz can argue his way out of this, and marv for letting him slip despite not answering.
prplhz could explain himself but he prefers to post "lol"
Marv doesn't say why he let prplhz go after that and posts we should lynch cora
What does that say about SlOosh if the mysterious Plexa had to send in that message before dawn?
→ "Plexa" knew SlOosh launched the nukes, and if Plexa is SlOosh himself, but he said he's caller (I think), then prplhz only can know about it if he knows how SlOosh's role works.
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On March 15 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 09:41 Foolishness wrote:On March 15 2013 09:37 Vivax wrote:prplhz knew how Plexa's role worked. He said Plexa has to send his actions in before dawn. He said he read it somewhere but forgot, it can't have been himself cause he wouldn't post this On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote:
how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done?
##Vote prplhz Vote for yamato and get a for sure mafia killed. Would you ever day vigi someone day 1 if you were town? Nope. It's that simple. People have many times in the past, and you know this. Just one example - Mattchew in PYP:Redux.
An even better example than this is Kurumi, a townie, nuking RoL in Bureaucracy. On Day 1. In a game that you were in.
Just saying.
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On March 15 2013 09:55 Vivax wrote:I'll toss in the half-finished stuff i was writing while researching prplhz, before I stepped onto his mistake. Things marv said about prplhz in LIX before lynching him D1. Cause I feel many apply to this game as well (nested quotes relevant) prplhz LIX filterThis gameQuotes from LIX - FT is marv:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 11:01 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:58 sandroba wrote:
@FT i'm actually kinda torn on that post, the way it's written it looks a bit sincere and from stream of thought. I agree the content is poor, but his latest games prpl has been kind of angry mode. Has prplhz rolled town since Rock Band? In any case, I grab a post from there, where he was under suspicion early: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more. Here he rationally talks about the case made on him, with little anger. He goes on to share thoughts on several players of the game, while also encouraging people to post more. This attitude doesn't mesh with the prplhz that I've seen so far this game. On January 21 2013 11:12 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:04 sandroba wrote:
I agree, I just remember some recent game he subbed out where people thought he was scum and he was a bit bitter. It's better if he points it out, i can't recall which one. That was in fact ACME mini mafia: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote:
okay so everybody joined and then they outed again :/
anyway millers need to claim as soon as possible. if anybody has something else to claim then that's fine too.
also, can we please only say things that we mean this game? i'm sick and tired of people making bullshit cases for dumb and scum to jump on just because they felt it was a good way to get the game started. it's perfectly possible (and in my opinion desirable) to play the game without saying dumb shit you don't really think for the lulz of it. this is kind of like lynch all liars except it doesn't have a fancy name (yet). This attitude pervades his town games, actually. People can check this for themselves. He regularly asks people to post more when he is town as well. This game:On March 12 2013 05:30 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, why are you not playing this game with us? I am playing this game, as you can see I am actively keeping up with the thread. I'm just not talking much because I don't see any reason for me to do that, I don't have much to offer and my personality doesn't do much day1 either (though for entirely different reasons, at least he thinks so). Why do you want to lynch me on day1 with my claim?
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Vivax, here is my question to you:
If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie.
Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow?
Foolishness,
You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff.
But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here.
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Vivax, does it concern you in any way at all that Foolishness claims that townies don't day vigi day 1, despite himself being in a game not that long ago where exactly that thing happened? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Supersoft,
I know you asked about stutters. I can go look at him if you want, but I do not have a good feel for his play. I remember him lurking heavily and me being wrong about him in LIX. I remember him lurking heavily in Themed and I think being correct with him?
In both cases it just came down to normal analysis of what he said when he said it. Weird defense of someone in LIX (I think that was it) = scummy. A couple good answers when engaged in discussion in Themed = town. I don't think I have a good sense of him on the whole though.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote:
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Vivax, here is my question to you:
If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie.
Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow?
Foolishness,
You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff.
But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here.
Are you completely nuts austin. Prplhz claims to know something others don't and you ask me why someone stole his vote when it could have been any anyone. Scum stealking his and a townie stealing his cause he thinks I was a nice target.
Stop being dumb. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is prplhz looking sure that the Russian message was sent out before the dawn when he had no reason to, it knows role knowledge he shouldn't have and can't justify as being his own.
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Also I shouldn't write so fast.
Marv, why do you want to discuss with me if someone shooting a townie D1 is alignment indicative or not. What matters is that yamato shot a townie over his scumreads and changed his decision in the arc of 13 minutes. It's not the what, it's the how + tons of other evidence about yamato.
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i'm going to say this once (more), just for you vivax
i thought plexa's message came with daypost
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On March 15 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote:
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Vivax, here is my question to you:
If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie.
Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow?
Foolishness,
You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff.
But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here.Are you completely nuts austin. Prplhz claims to know something others don't and you ask me why someone stole his vote when it could have been any anyone. Scum stealking his and a townie stealing his cause he thinks I was a nice target. Stop being dumb. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is prplhz looking sure that the Russian message was sent out before the dawn when he had no reason to, it knows role knowledge he shouldn't have and can't justify as being his own. What I know is that prplhz asked a question that indicates he had extra knowledge. When marv responded, prplhz seemed to think that plexa's post was with the daypost. That means he was either lying or confused. We do not know which one. YOU do not know which one. On the whole, he did not "look sure," because when corrected, he said not to mind him.
Again, he is either lying or confused. Given the enormous number of "x hasn't read the thread" incidents so far this game, you can't just leap on that and call him scum. You're looking at a single facet of what someone has done, when that facet is not clearly scummy or townie, and making a read off of it, trying to push that read, when we're 46 hours into a day.
Hold it for D3 if you're around. If not, I promise to post at least 3 posts in all caps accusing prplhz of being scum.
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That's what you get when you're killing me and don't make sure I am fucking dead:
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austinmcc
Acrofales
yamato77
Dandel Ion
marvellosity
Ver
strongandbig
Oatsmaster
Promethelax
Vivax
Mocsta
iamperfection
Stutters695
HiroPro (if foolish is town. Kill him)
slOosh
Crossfire99
risk.nuke
prplhz
Foolishness
cDgCorazon
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boldgreen = damn sure town
green = pretty sure town
italic green = should be town
italic red = could be scum
red = should be scum
boldred = gotta be scum
this list should be damn accurate. Sadly it's only day2 and I am no magician. If my boldreds keep falling, this should be the way to go. I had no time to write up reasons for every position, because I analyzed the game during the last 30 hours, when I had time in between university lectures and other stuff I had to do... and I only wrote most of my notes only on paper.
If you need something or have questions... I'll be around for a little bit...
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what i got from that post
ss is kinda handsome
it would be cool if you'd write something on hiro and risk though
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On March 14 2013 01:13 kitaman27 wrote:
The following message has been sent by Plexa:
Ядерное оружие не являются подделкой.
On March 14 2013 01:33 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 01:24 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I didn't think Plexa played mafia... and I just checked. Plexa has 0 posts in the TL Mafia subforum. WTF is going on? doesn't see oooooooooooooooooooooold games but i think plexa was one of the guys setting up this forum like four score and seven years ago guess you'll have to ask the vets but bc is dead, ver is afk and fool is scum
Nope, you replied with this on the page right after the announcement (20 minutes) so I don't believe it. You must have been around when the announcement came and it's impossible you thought it was in the daypost.
Stop trying.
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Thanks for the thoughts supersoft. Off the top of my head, questions that I have right away:
(1) Do you have any magical extra knowledge that should be in thread? Random role crap that you think would help town more than scum if it were out in the open?
(2) Are you a balance person at all? Your scum list feels vet/experienced heavy. Like corazon and crossfire are the only newer players on there, and crossfire has been around as long as I have, so he's not new new new. You've got 4 of the people that I've been lumping together for balance purposes as could/should be scum, and I'm kind of uncomfortable with that number.
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