EPTalthough I am not a fan of post restrictions. I think I'd rather have silent nights than that, hmmm... anyways, I'll try it out.
I will instantly out if it becomes a pm game though.
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On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote: You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/ Not really tbh. The description says it will land 24 hours after it was shot. The description of America in the OP says nukes land at lynch time. On April 27 2014 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can see a town motivation for Caller shooting Palmar before he speaks if Caller doesn't value Palmar's town-contributions - call it a policy-lynch on crack. I can NOT see a scum motivation aside from "Well surely someone will defend me because this is so mind-numbingly stupid" - and I don't like making the assumption that scum are playing really really really poorly. I reserve that assumption for town typically. I don't see any town motivation for this if the nuke is real. I propose the following: We ignore this shit until the nuke lands/is supposed to land. If it does and Palmar dies we kill Caller. So Palmar, if you are town I suggest you don't do whatever anti-town stuff you got in mind because it doesn't make the nuke not land on you and it doesn't make any difference if we kill caller before or after you die. | ||
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On April 27 2014 03:25 sandroba wrote: There are no roles that provide fake nukes. Setup is semi-closed. Re: palmar he is softing pardoner. What we will do is we will lynch caller. If palmer pardons him he is claiming scum. If he is town and wants to ruin the game by pardoning caller it is simply illogical and there is nothing we can do about that. I agree. | ||
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On April 27 2014 05:48 Palmar wrote: My bad then. Also, saving some posts tbh, in case someone actually grows balls and shoots caller so I'd have to start actually playing. So I'm checking out after this one unless something important comes up. Tick tock What if the nuke is fake? It would be pretty sad if someone shot caller then, right? The correct play is to lynch/kill caller if he really kills you. Shooting him before the nuke is supposed to land is just plain stupid and you know it. | ||
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On April 27 2014 06:12 prplhz wrote: If the nuke is fake we will know in like 6 hours because apparently it lands 24 hours after launch. Exactly. So what Palmar is doing makes no sense. Nobody shoots Caller before the 24 hours are over! | ||
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On April 27 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: GREAT ANALYSIS JAT. REALLY NICE. VERY THOUGHTFUL. Above message is sarcastic. The reason to why it is sarcastic is because you don't give any input at all about prplhz his alignment. You use meta I think. But the only thing I remember in Foolishness his meta is pure gold and awesomeness. But even if there is something. Are you saying because foolishness once said that a guy was scum while he was town it now counts for all future games? Your blind worshipping is just getting on my nerves tbh. Foolishness did exactly this to WoS in the shadow game. As long as almighty Foolishness doesn't explain to me why prplhz is scummy I will just ignore him and you should too. At least if you have no scumread on that guy on your own. | ||
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On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. So, how do you know foolishness is town? You don't and if you say you do you are lying. | ||
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On April 27 2014 07:15 Palmar wrote: Oh nuke lands 24h after launch. Fuck it then. 2 hours to shoot caller or i start doing asshole things Why? What does it help anyone if Caller is shot within these 2 hours? I doubt it will prevent the nuke from landing on you so stop crying like a baby. If you die I promise that I will personally lead a caller lynch but if you don't die and pull some anti town shit I am way more inclined to lynch you instead. | ||
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On April 27 2014 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I know, right? Koshi is annoying at times with the incessant sucking up, I get it, but why shoot him exactly? I'm not so sure I follow your rationale in calling him scum at this point. Yes, I expect a certain amount of stupid sillyness of townkoshi. His alignment will be very clear later in the game - no need to shoot him. | ||
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On April 27 2014 10:17 VayneAuthority wrote: why is pardoning you prphlz "claiming scum" Good question. What the fuck? | ||
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On April 27 2014 17:22 Palmar wrote: Why did no one shoot caller? You guys all suck. Can we lynch this guy already? I know he tends to claim scum as town but he does so in a more jokey way then he did yesterday. Palmar, if I may remind you of last game: you do antitown things - you die. On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote: 2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today. On April 27 2014 18:41 Palmar wrote: @Odin, I didn't read whatever caused Foolishness to vote prplhz, I have other reasons to think prplhz is probably town. Yeah, it is obvious that you didn't read it. You didn't even look if there was any reasoning cause frankly there still isn't. On April 27 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote: It has nothing to do with proplhz his alignment and how I read him. When I made my list of Koshi awesomeness I saw I already had way too many scum and I would have plprhz town reading his filter but I just put him as scum so people like JAT and geript can be outraged by the ridiculousness of my list and hammer on the fact I got prplhz as scum and I am sheeping etc etc. I just give them scummy points in return. Also laugh at them. The problem with this is that if you do retarded shit like that town will call you out for it. It would be smarter to just don't do it. Good thing you posted other things like your snb case though which looks towny to me because posting that kind of list is just useless. I promise I will reread the snb stuff and his filter when I have the time. Right now I somehow doubt that I want to lynch that guy over Palmar... | ||
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On April 27 2014 23:15 strongandbig wrote: Does anyone think this is town foolishness? Like, compare this game to catastrophe. Or any town foolishness game. Is it scum foolishness though? If he hasn't posted an insightful before deadline we can lynch him but I doubt anyone can determine his alignment right now. | ||
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On April 27 2014 23:22 strongandbig wrote: I feel like town foolishness doesn't vote without reasoning, even when he doesn't have time or make many posts. That's why I mention catastrophe, he clearly didnt have time to post in volume but he still provided reasoning, even while making up a posting restriction Like I already said multiple times he did exactly this in the shadow game. | ||
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On April 28 2014 00:51 strongandbig wrote: This is a pretty srs misinterpretation. I'm not going after him for not caring enough, I'm going after him for not providing explicit reasoning for his votes, when in my experience he provides said reasoning as town even when he's short on time. Also how had you not voted me already? Stop harping about that - maybe you thought so but you have been proven wrong. Focus on something else. Are you seriously going to attack koshi for the timing of his vote? | ||
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You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess. ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts. | ||
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On April 28 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: at the very least I think one of palmar or snb has to be scum with the way the votes are going and the way they are being placed so thats good. dont mind a 1 for 1 trade. I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow. I really don't like VA this game. He is too invested/seems to give a fuck and he already does connection cases/sets up future lynches. Seems like an agenda to me. The town VA I know doesn't have an agenda. He cares more about the correctness of his reads while this VA does not care who of snb and palmar is in fact scum. | ||
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On April 28 2014 04:51 Foolishness wrote: What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there? The point remains that you don't know how his town posting looks like under restriction, right? Anyways I fear that I am pretty close to having too many posts. SO, if you want me to keep talking/are a nice person in general please donate some to me. If you don't intend to use them yourself of course. | ||
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On April 28 2014 05:47 Cephiro wrote: EBWOP: Anyone need posts in the meanwhile? I won't be needing all of mine remaining for the day cycle. Yes please! | ||
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Something like Vayne/oats/Palmar would be my preference I think... | ||
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On April 28 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia. He is a fucking hard catch normally. Look at all the games. He always is like last mafia standing. Ok, what about Vayne/Palmar? | ||
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On April 28 2014 07:13 VayneAuthority wrote: so to be clear you think I am bussing palmar here? I am not following your lines of thought this game. you called me out for having an agenda but in the same post soft pushed me with no real conviction. Just like to know whats on your mind. I don't make connection cases day1. You are both scummy on your own. | ||
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On April 28 2014 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote: there has to be some level of logic though. I rarely explain my reads but that is a pretty big tool I use to determine scum, when they are just throwing out shit together that makes zero sense. I was fine with your post on me since it makes sense, but palmar/me together does not. I never said it's palmar and you together. | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster This is the last post I have so if someone wants me to address something or change my vote you need to donate me at least one post. I will not be awake for very long though so it might be wasted if you wait for too long. | ||
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On April 28 2014 13:06 OdinOfPergo wrote: fuck. Well, now I look super bad. I still think this means a lot. SnB was a one shot. Did he kill Yam? What does this mean abouit Geript/Ve/Slam? ugh.. Are you on drugs? You just have to read the thread one fucking time and half of the pointless questions in your filter are already answered. It's really not hard - the thread is not that long. I am somehow getting the feeling you are trying to sell us that you are dumb and we should ignore you. I don't like it. On April 28 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: well at least i dont feel bad hammering since it woulda happened anyway. w/e stupid lynch What kind of excuse is that?... On April 28 2014 13:12 VisceraEyes wrote: But that's not true - you have to factor in that he could have /really/ fucked over town by denying them a lynch entirely. You HAVE to factor that in because he DID not do that and he COULD have done that. And you KNOW that he's a player that would have known that. I think it is clear that Palmar did think the nuke was real regardless of his alignment. It makes no sense to use his power otherwise. You don't do it as town unless you are really trying to get lynched and that doesn't fit Palmars style and you don't do it as scum because you are wasting a huge advantage (potential LYLO one day earlier) for nothing. So, if he thought the nuke was real he couldn't do any more harm than he actually did because he would have been dead way before deadline. Does this point towards town or scum though? I think it is rather scummy because he drops a WIFOM bomb before leaving the game by making us think about if he would pardon a scumbuddy or a townie while it doesn't help him in any way as town. On the other side this is not very clever as long as it is not absolutely sure the nuke is real and if he has a team there should have been someone who tells him not to do it. Based on this alone I would not lynch him but he claimed scum on top of that and did nothing else really. On April 28 2014 16:51 Alakaslam wrote: Correct. I had nothing substantial to provide other than panic fail. So you went full retard if you are town. Great. Do you plan on actually playing the game day2 so we can at least try to figure you out or will you make us waste a lynch/make someone dayvig you? If you are scum just keep doing what it is you are doing and this problem will probably be solved soon. | ||
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On April 29 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote: List of things! Combined for maximum post-saving. Hopefully this list will be enough to convince you guys for VA Probably mafia look at this. Shitty stance on me and caller, passive because he probs knows both our alignments. Also complaining about thread quality, classic mafia. Random shitty pre-flip association: Also he hasn't posted anything of value. Very good lynch target tomorrows because it'll force him to actually try if he's somehow town and shit. On April 29 2014 02:08 Caller wrote: i would totally be up for a vayneauthority lynch tomrorrow On April 29 2014 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Like...presumably VA was at least LOOKING at SnB for scum, but then after he flips town it was a "stupid lynch"? wtf? Yes, yes. Sheeping JAT = good. Let's kill that guy tomorrow. | ||
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On April 29 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote: This is my 7th post this night and I've only been gifted one. What a rebel! Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit. Koshi, did your reads change after that flip? | ||
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On April 29 2014 05:36 Koshi wrote: I changed my read on SnB. I am easily impressed. Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren. What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE? Now we can add Foolishness. No shit. ^_^ Nothing else changed? You still "know" VA is town? Why is geript scum? Why is foolishness scum now? | ||
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On April 29 2014 05:58 Koshi wrote: Why are you asking me these questions in the night? Totes want to see if you need to shoot me? I thought VA was town. Dnu why I asked that question to Sandroba. I think it had something to do with posts I read. Geript not really on prior list atm. why is foolishness town? That's the question! No really. Other people are allowed to do things today/tomorrow. I was also totes up till 3 am yesterday so time for sleep now. I am toying with the idea to reread the thread and post new and fresh thoughts. 11 hours from now. Maybe. I will keep you updated. Why anyone would nightkill you right now is beyond me. If we have a limited amount of posts why not make use of the nightposts? Especially since you are probably using all of your dayposts anyways. If you are so afraid of being nightkilled - fine. Do it tomorrow. But I don't see how your change of opinion on foolishness makes any sense and I also don't understand your geript read. 5/5 | ||
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On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote: Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor? I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment. | ||
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On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote: Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sandroba and Palmar are both town. And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise. I'll just summarize main sandroba points: 1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched. 2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard. 3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow. So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town. Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as: 1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read. 2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up. And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent. Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other. Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat. So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong. Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia. You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you. On April 29 2014 16:53 Koshi wrote: ##vote Foolishness Because I am not impressed. Also Sandroba is ded. imo people should shoot Foolishness. Also Palmar. PEOPLE PLS SHOOT FOOLISHNESS AND PALMAR. Thank you. I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him. Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it. The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys. | ||
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On April 29 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote: FOOLISHNESS, CEPHIRO, JAT, ALAKASLAM ENDGAME BRAGGING RIGHTS. Cool story bro. Now try again with some kind of reasoning. | ||
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On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote: So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. | ||
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On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote: My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. | ||
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote: we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Would totally lynch VA of course. | ||
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On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote: I am waiting on VA to come back and shoot Cephiro. I read the claim and was planning to talk to him about it. Pretty sure he typed that because he wants to shoot somebody today. If he doesn't do it or shoots somebody strange we have a problem. Voting him makes it sure he can't shoot. We want him to shoot a target town is ok with. So I suggest you give him a scummer instead of voting him. IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets. Which means I can add another paragraph to my response to JAT ↓. My scumteams makes 0 sense even though you agree with 3 out of 4 guys in it? That's pretty much descrediting my entire scumteam while you only want to discuss your name in it. But wait. Do you really want those 3 shot? You were defending Foolishness with meta reasoning D1 right? You did give 3 names that needed to be shot right? It was RoL, Alakaslam and gumshoe. I do not see Cephiro in there. Wait let me see what is in your filter JAT: IS IT MORE META DEFENSE OF PEOPLE IN MY LIST? It sure looks like it. EXTRA: So we have 4 people JAT wants shot: RoL, Cephiro, Alakaslam, Gumshoe. And then Foolishness lynched. But when VA claims dayvig (most likely) JAT wants to lynch VA instead of directing his shot on a scummer. Sounds legit! Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true. And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it. I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted. Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1. | ||
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On April 30 2014 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote: And yet somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if VA soft claimed blue and then let himself be lynched 'cause he didn't give a shit. I guess we'll see. For the talk of VA being dayvig, if Slam is actually town we likely don't have any more KP as we had SnB/Slam, and I don't see town getting shit tons of KP in a game where scum have 1-2 nightly KP. This calculation doesn't add up like in other games. I can totally see more KP than usual just because of the no-flip mechanic. | ||
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On April 30 2014 01:09 austinmcc wrote: @Caller / VA stuff No. Who cares if VA soft claims "not VT"? Palmar did that yesterday and you didn't ask someone to shoot him with anything real, nor did you try to push a lynch on him. 18,000 people have claimed or fakeclaimed vigi, and you didn't care much about that stuff. Yes. VA is either mafia or claiming a power role and maybe shouldn't be or is fakeclaiming and wants to get shot or whatever. Nobody cares. That's not AT ALL a reason to push someone for lynch. "He said he was blue." GREAT. Nobody cares. Even if you think that indicates he's mafia because blues shouldn't be outing themselves, that would make you inconsistent in your response to claims AND that means that your #1 ichiban scumread for today is a dude who said he was blue and MIGHT be mafia or you think MIGHT be playing oddly/poorly. If your #1 lynch is that, nobody in this game should be following you. Who is doing stuff that is SCUMMY? @WoS you wanted a task. There's a ... middle tier of people. Not the folks being discussed so far last night/today -----> BH, VE, prplhz maybe? Not the super vets, but they've been around longer than me, they can play, and they've posted. Could you look into them and give some general feelz, as well as anything super interesting in a townie/scummy way in any of those filters? Also, dear God please don't listen to Koshi's crap about NKs. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Maybe one read in particular is good, maybe you're a consensus townie, maybe you're trying to derail a particular mislynch they want, maybe you took a shot, maybe getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Plus there's the whole "If Geript's reads were ACTUALLY right, that means Koshi more likely to be scum, which means don't listen to him." Geript probably has some good thoughts. But getting NKed doesn't mean all your reads are right. Also there was already a task about looking at oats again or something, I gave it to you overnight. @poofter <3 I am generally in favor of using less KP, see all other posts. We dunno if we have coroners, how many, how many shots they have. I haven't played in no-flip games, and I think no-flips are pretty bad for town (especially when we don't know how many scum there are anyway, or KP formulas, so it's not even like we can ballpark it based on NKs). So I'm quite worried actually about no flips, towns seem to have a lot of trouble in games where they don't have a good handle on the setup and go into lategame unsure on scum numbers/mechanics, and the less no-flips we have, the better? Maybe? My preferred targets would be oats/koshi/foolishness, but I'd much much rather wait than shoot. I'm playing "You don't ever shoot" mafia, and then in favor of dropping anyone who actually DOES shoot. Mwahahahaha. The more people alive, the more work scum has to do, get more mislynches, keep going and going, keep worrying about cops and whatnot. A couple extra alive dudes and an extra day or two is town-favored imo, moreso than the chance of hitting mafia with a shot and not having them flip. THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUSHY REASONS BUT REALLY I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOTS BUT I'M NOT CURRENTLY KING OF THIS GAME SO YMMV. I love this guy. Only strong townread I have right now. I will stop posting for a while since I am posting too much atm (I can't express how much I hate this restriction mechanic) but if you also have a task for me I will do it later today. BH scumming it up and going for the most crapshoot lynch possible while avoiding to comment on anything that happened today/last night. Oh, one last thing: Koshi if VA should be dayvig like you think he is perfectly able to shoot before we lynch him so that part of your post is - like most of the rest - total horseshit. | ||
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On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote: JAT, why is VA towards the tippy top of your scumlist? I know you posted on him, but the real meat of it is that VA is more engaged/cares, whereas you're not used to that. I've seen VA care in games. Is there more meat than just that? Talk to me about VA and why he should be on my scumlist please. VA caring doesn't vault him over other scummy people imo, but I'm pretty much always willing to find VA scummy and want to kill him  Also, talk to me about oats! You were kinda on board with oatsscum yesterday. You were worried about him not having a chance to defend himself. Lucky for oats/you (maybe), he DID get that chance. He's posted since I called him out. How do his posts make you feel, deep down inside? Why ain't HE at the tippy top of your scum lists? About VA: I gave my reasons for him being scum in the first post I made about him and they are basically still the same. I just get the same feeling I got from him in the pm game (where he was my scumbuddy) - trying to be reasonable while pushing an agenda. He did his best to not give a fuck since I called him out but it's not convincing me. About Oats: I was onboard yesterday mainly because I prefered killing him over SnB but oats is still pretty scummy. Sadly town oats often is pretty scummy too so you can never be sure with that one. I was concerned that he couldn't defend himself but he returned and what he said was crap so I had no problem killing him. I still don't but I don't give in to the illusion that I am able to distinguish between antitown and scum oats very well. I will read that Foolishness wall of text tomorrow... | ||
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Foolishness you should not base your view on the game on speculation about if the lynch was controlled by mafia or not. As long as we don't know more alignments it leads nowhere. Also I really don't see why you clear people just because they had their own reasoning for voting SnB. I mean that's the thing to do as mafia - justifying your vote, isn't it? I don't see why BH has to be town from that in any way for example. On April 30 2014 08:04 austinmcc wrote: Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent. This bit also doesn't quite jive with this bit [sic] You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday. Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing. This is a very good post. Your narrative makes no sense if you actually think oats is scum Foolishness. BANKS, I would be really upset if you shot Koshi right now. Don't do it. Hold your shot at least until later in the day. Now I am gone for real... | ||
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On April 30 2014 11:33 Tehpoofter wrote: @JAT where are you on WoS? Town - we seem to agree on a few things. Not a strong read though. On April 30 2014 11:51 austinmcc wrote: HEY EVERYBODY. EVERYONE SHOULD SAY WHAT YAMATO'S ALIGNMENT WAS. CORONER GETS A SINGLE CHECK EACH NIGHT, BUT THE RESULTS ONLY COME TO HIM. EVERYONE SAYS EACH DAY WHAT ALIGNMENT SOME NON-FLIPPED PERSON WAS. IF A CORONER DIES, THEN ... TA DA! WE JUST FOUND OUT THEIR RESULTS. THERE'S A NON-ZERO CHANCE THAT A CORONER OR MULTIPLE CORONERS GET KILLED BEFORE THEY CAN GIVE THEIR RESULTS OUT, AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T CRUMB OR DIDN'T CRUMB IN A WAY WE FOUND. IF EVERYONE, EVERY DAY, SAYS THE ALIGNMENT OF A NO-FLIPPED PLAYER (ASSUMING WE HAVE ONE), THEN THE CORONER IS COVERED. ALSO IF YOU WANT YOU CAN TOTALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOUR RESULT CAME BACK, AND USE THE WORD "FAKE" 3 TIMES DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT AFTER YOU GET A CHECK. THAT WAY MAFIA HAS TO DO A BUNCH OF LEGWORK IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND CATCH A CORONER BECAUSE ONLY ONE PERSON HAS CORRECT ALIGNMENTS EACH TIME. SUCK IT SCUM, ENJOY YOUR HOMEWORK. (OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD FAKE USE "FAKE" FOR BONUS MAFIAWORK. YESYES) ON ANY FUTURE DAYS WE HAVE NO-FLIPPED PLAYERS, EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TOO YOU'RE WELCOME, CORONER(S), ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT ME. YOU'RE WELCOME ME IF I'M THE CORONER. YAYAYAYA. (I think Yamato was town. Also, any uses of the word fake in this post don't count towards my 3 for the day) Gumshoe, Yamato was probably town. On April 30 2014 12:53 Foolishness wrote: Austin I'm not sure what you're asking me about Oats. I think Oats is mafia for not doing anything this game and tossing around his vote. I think it's a debatable subject on whether or not there would have been more drama on day 1 if Oats is mafia. Personally, I don't think it's true, but I understand why you might think so. Also I think Yamato is town. You know why you are scum? Because a big part of your wallpost was about how you thought mafia sat back regarding the lynch day1. Then you gave a scumread on oats. Votes were tied 8:8 at some point between scum oats and town SnB in your world and you are telling me mafia just sat back? That people who pushed a SnB lynch have to be town? Not to mention that you somehow now are ok with killing Koshi who made the first original case on SnB despite saying that. How on earth can anybody see this and go "yeah, that makes totally sense - Foolishness' reads/posts are good!"? | ||
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On April 28 2014 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (13) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (0) - Sandroba (0) - Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. Just look at this! The only person that has a chance of flipping scum on oats is Cephiro. Everyone else is town. Besides that there are only the non voters (I don't think that's alignment indicative so assuming there has to be scum there is a random thing) and Ace. EVERYONE ELSE IS ON SNB! And Foolishness it telling us mafia spread out and did not push this lynch. WTF! This also makes me want to lynch oats again. We need a double lynch. Or a shot. | ||
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For now I bolded and underlined the part of him quoting me that completely invalidates the nonsense he is spouting: On April 30 2014 19:42 Foolishness wrote: Now I just took the liberty of looking through your filter this game and noticed a quite unusual turn of mindset. Then a whopping two and a half hours later you say that I'm a good lynch (before proceeding to vote me hours after): POOFTER! If you shoot Koshi I will be fucking mad. Don't do it or suffer the consequences -> I will shoot you when I return. | ||
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On May 01 2014 00:40 Blazinghand wrote: Other than the incorrect claim that it's a crap shoot nobody had any real objections to lynching gun eight Yes, yes it is a crapshoot. If you have a gun feel free to shoot gumshoe - maybe I will even do it - but today we are lynching foolishness. Get on the wagon. Lynch of justice yada yada. I want to see more votes on Foolishness! | ||
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On May 01 2014 01:03 Blazinghand wrote: Foolishness really is not scum. I'm in a mason qt with him and with few exceptions he has been helpful and honest. Even better he has pushed me to develop and clarify my reads. He asks questions and shares thoughts and ideas. Foolishness has put more work into solving this game than any of you jub jubs. Why not lynch one of the many scummy people like Gumshoe instead of the helpful foolishness? Foolishness has not been helpful at all. He made made a bad case on SnB day1 and that's basically it. Other than that he came up with a illogical theory about the day1 lynch and directly contradicted himself by elaborating on how mafia didn't care about the lynch while one of them (oats) was the realistic counterwagon. He went at me after I had called him out for that and did not even read the post he quoted completely. But he still wrote a giant ass post about it. If he was town and really thought about it he would have noticed that I actually wrote that I wanted to lynch him in that post already. Sandroba told us to lynch him. We are not talking about a usual read here - he was literally 100 % sure Foolishness is scum. BH is also scum and defending him. We are lynching Foolishness. | ||
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On May 01 2014 01:33 Blazinghand wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mf59Tqn.jpg) What really seals the deal for me with "Foolishness is Scum" is this. Foolishness and I during D1 were hanging out in the !T being biffles. About an hour before the lynch, we're discussing various candidates and Foolishness said he had a meta read on Oatsmaster. He asked me to compare Oats post here as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?page=11#216 with Oats most here in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?page=9#166 What's important to see here is that these posts are actually very different. They both begin with a one-liner and have two paragraphs, but they represent different playstyles. In one, Oats is meta-ey, and in the other he talks about mindset and stuff. Basically, I'm pretty sure Foolishness was planting this as a trap to see if I would accept bad reasoning about Oatsmaster, and when I rejected it, he quickly moved on. In other words: even though we were productive, Fool was subtle trying to catch me out in case I was scum, and evaluate my chops. I can tell you that this is just one of many times we compared evidence. If I were scum, and also not quite as observant and talented as I am (since I am the #1 player on Tl Mafia) it might have even worked. Most people on this forum underestimate me or think I'm joking when I say I'm th ebest, and Foolishness probably bought into that when he tried to trick me like this. The point isn't whether or not I'm the best (though I am), the point is the fact that Foolishness was willing to go through all this effort means he must be town trying to solidify his read on me. I can't at all see how he could be scum. Wow, what a great defense. You don't even address a single point brought up against him. All you give us is this story about how protown both of you have been in your qt. I don't know if you really are masons and I don't really care that much tbh. since it doesn't tell us anything about your alignment. One question though - where you in the qt from the start (only the 2 of you)? As long as you 2 are not town/useful in the THREAD I call bullshit on your story about 2 townheros figuring each other out. | ||
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To everyone else: Read BHs posts. See that he doesn't raise a single point for foolishness being town that does not depend on their supposed qt experience (which we cannot check). Lynch Foolishness now and BH tomorrow. afk | ||
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I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me. DEAL? Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... | ||
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On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so. You are sheeping geript on his Cephiro read but don't even mention how Sandroba guaranteed us that Foolishness is scum? Wut? | ||
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On May 01 2014 02:45 austinmcc wrote: I continue to be a fan of less/no shots. I'm gonna try to pull the lynch around, but it doesn't seem I can pull people to not shoot and just let lynches do work. If you're shooting someone who is a major lynch candidate, you probably should go ahead and do it, because ... we need to CONSOLIDATE and not be split and then have one guy with votes get shot late in a day when euros are asleep. I don't think you SHOULD shoot (if you actually can), but oh well. But you should make shots on your choice of guy. I'm trying to do a little leading here, but not full-on assign everyone actions, because I still want to see what everyone does when not assigned crap, and I don't have pull yet to do full-on assigning. So...I dunno. Mainly I just want to avoid no-flips. Having none or max of 1 a day lets us do that. I think the value of avoiding no-flips is pretty high for town, and it's high enough that it outweighs possibly shooting mafiosos? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERRIBLY WRITTEN RESPONSE, UNSURE Ok, at this point I have to realize that I will absolutely need post donations today again. Prplhz? Anyone?  Yeah, noflip sucks. But I will definitely shoot today now that I claimed. If I don't scum just shoots me tonight and I don't get my shot. Or they don't and push me day3 for not dieing. No thanks. I get that you want to see who I would decide to shoot on my own but if you aren't scumreading me please tell me who you would like to die. You are one of my townreads and I want advice before shooting. Everyone else may give suggestions too. I could also ego trip and just shoot one of my top scumreads like BH, Foolishness or Vayne but I would rather see them flip tbh. (especially Foolishness). Shooting a lurking question mark may be better. I don't know. Need input. | ||
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Maybe. But it's not fine by me. I won't waste town KP and I have no intention to fight against retarded accusations tomorrow. Thank you for the posts prplhz! Someone donate Koshi some. He needs to speak more - elaborate on those reads and so on because that last post was awful in my opinion. | ||
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But my vote is pretty much set in stone. It is on the biggest wagon (-> consolidation goes towards foolishness) and the person I want to lynch the most. I am not moving it. | ||
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On May 01 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin. Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence. I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum. You are NOT entitled to sit back and cry like a little bitch about the state of the game. If you aren't happy with it DO SOMETHING. And how the heck is it difficult to come up with that mason thing? On May 01 2014 06:23 Blazinghand wrote: Foolishness is right in that there are bigger fish to fry. Look, I think we can say pretty certainly there's scum amongst the people who like never contributed, voted, and weren't on main wagons at the end of D1, right? We don't want these people alive at LYLO, and our vigis would have shot them by now if they were going to. Realistically speaking I think a guy like Gumshoe is NOT going to play well as town ANYWAYS so even if by some longshot he's town, he was a liability regardless. That being said, as always I am willing to consolidate. We have just a few hours left now so we should all say who we're willing to vote for so we can get an idea of what's possible. Remember, it's majority lynch here. The people you are talking about are exactly 3. Ace and the 2 guys not voting (poofter + gumshoe). So what you are saying is that 2 scummers intentionally didn't vote? I don't think not voting is alignment indicative at all. So you are stuck with Ace. Grats. Is there ANYONE who thinks Foolishness contributed something of worth today? I for sure don't and since he is lynch candidate #1 he should be working his ass off as town, right? Vote that mofo already. Also thanks for the post donation (already forgot who that was) but I think Koshi could use those better since I got a few already. | ||
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On May 01 2014 05:23 Foolishness wrote: Really I'm just baffled by this all. Is the logic as follows? "oh, 75% of the players in the game are just writing sheep posts and not posting their own thoughts. Meanwhile 25% of the players are posting reads/cases, trying to steer town in the right direction, and analyze what the mafia has been doing this whole game. Well, I know that there are more town than mafia in the game because that's how the game of mafia is set up. That must mean all the town players are doing the same thing and are in the 75%, and it must be the mafia who are the 25%." I'm legit trying to figure out the mindset behind this. Cause hot damn so many people are on board with this I'm questioning my own stupidity. It is really telling how you waste all your time complaining about that without going at someone specific. If you were town you would try to convince people by contributions/insightful thought through posts like you did in the shadow game for example. None of those to be seen anywhere. | ||
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On May 01 2014 04:43 Cephiro wrote: Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD) Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam) Could you maybe explain the Ace read to me? He is pretty high on your townie list and the read I understand the least of those. Maybe it's just me but I am really struggling to form an opinion on Ace. | ||
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On May 01 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote: I am in agreement to some degree re: Foolishness---there are some things about what he's done this game that I really don't like but again the BH mason business has me forced to believe in him for now. It is almost assured there are scum sitting back and doing dick all this game, it's just a question of whether we want to crapshoot into the lurkers right now to find them or eliminate active/semi-active posters. I for one think we crapshoot for now. JAT maybe you SHOULD take your shot. If you tell me exactly who you want shot with a short reasoning I will consider it. | ||
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On May 01 2014 06:56 Tehpoofter wrote: Town needs to wisen up that are among the lurkers. Me, Austin, Jat, Foolishness are trying to win this game (maybe BH too) The votes on Foolishness are silly at best. I came into the day thinking he might be scum or Koshi 1 of the two and I found the 1 its Koshi. Foolishness is proposing theories and hunting scum. The BH Foolish QT thing I'm going to buy for the time being as well because as scum that buys them a day at most and this isn't anywhere near lylo I assume. The votes should be going to one of the 4 austin pointed out. It seems to be RoL isn't gaining traction so I'm going to consolidate further and switch to Oatsmaster. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look at Austin's day one case look how scum Koshi attempts to bus him when the gun in his mind is about to go off then back off it later after I didnt shoot cause maybe he thinks I was faking or he persuaded me or something idk its a very odd thing to do and feels like scum. GUN TIME: I am convinced Koshi is mafia his posts lately were fake AtE like no ones business. He spent 3-4 posts on yelling at me and just calling me bad or mafia. He didn't really expand on his reads or try to tell me who to shoot minus what I think is busing Oats (who according to his geript read is confirmed town) I think its interesting that he threw dirt on Oats when he thinks the deadline is up (it would have been but I fell asleep early) Smells like mafia busing mafia here. I'm shooting Koshi and killing a mafia you guys that don't want me to can say thank you later, if by some chance I'm wrong Its on me but I'm not afraid of shooting vocal scum. (I use vocal lightly because he posts a lot but doesn't honestly say much a huge scum tell) #Shoot: Koshi I have posts to donate I'm going to look over who needs them and give them to people I think are townie. We absolutely need to consolidate and not vote Foolishness I'll go more into that with my next post. 10 Oh god. Another scum. There is no reason. LITERALLY NO REASON to have a townread on Foolishness right now if you had a scumread at the start of the day. What has he done since then that convinced you? I want you to show me that specific thing. You didn't even use the BH mason excuse. You are saying I am trying to win? If so does that mean you have a townread on me? Because if that is the case why THE HELL would you shoot Koshi right now? | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:02 WaveofShadow wrote: One of the three I mentioned. RoL oats or cephiro RoL will not do dick all the entire game and is a massive question mark. Oats is just oats---barely dodged a lynch yesterday, hasn't done a whole lot today and I can't read him---not enitrely sure he is scum here but again he's gonna be a question mark for a while Cephiro ----traitor claim amongst other things I don't include gumshoe in this list notably because I believe he is town despite him lurking like an asshole. Prplhz in regards to your question---there are worse offenders that need to be gotten rid of honestly. What BH has done with the way he full on defended fool is he inextricably linked them together. foolishness has declined to comment on the matter. I believe at this point considering the way it has been handled they are either both town or both scum. Certainly the latter is possible and considering my scum read on BH, actually somewhat likely ( but then of course you get into the 'why would BH hard defend a scum buddy wifom), but if they are town we are losing a way more valuable member of town in foolishness than any of the others mentioned. Look again if the majority is coming around to the cases on him I'll sheep along as I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about him not being scum than Snb (and I still helped lynch that guy ) but right now questions marks need to be removed if at the very least to make this game even slightly more difficult for scum. No, no, no. We will make this game more difficult for scum by LYNCHING scum. Get on the wagon already. @Poofter: You will have to explain your weird connection case between Koshi and Foolishness in detail very soon. | ||
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Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that. On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote: Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die. Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol. That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Donate: 4 posts to Justanothertownie I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch. The fact that your shot was awful makes me think that. You argued that trying to solve the game after he was shot is scummy. How is that even remotely true? Why would he do that as scum? Why would he tell Odin to not save him? No, he was town. You simply don't shoot active players who will be readable later on. At least get on the wagon of justice now -_- On May 01 2014 07:36 austinmcc wrote: gg possibly town kosherino? What has Koshi done with his activity in the last almost 72 hours? Like...2 ideas that he's actually pushed, or a read that he made out of the blue, or a new perspective on anything. BECAUSE THE GAME GOING LONG IS BAD FOR SCUM. MORE DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T KILLED DOCS/COPS MEANS TOWN GETS EXTRA USES FROM POWER ROLES. MORE DAYS MEANS MORE MISLYNCHES THEY NEED TO GET. MORE DAYS MEANS LESS HIDING PLACES, MORE CHANCES FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT/OTHER PEOPLE TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN. MORE DAYS IS GOOD. MORE PEOPLE ALIVE IS GOOD. SHOOTING PEOPLE MEANS LESS PEOPLE ALIVE. There's also the fact that coroner gets a check a night, and so maxing out at a single unflipped person per day is somewhat better for us than multiple folks unflipped. I went back to look at some past oats games, but didn't get super far because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm looking for or how to show it, and I haven't played/read every oats game. Basically, this one seems similar to Nuclear Winter to me. I thought Oats's reads were wrong, called him on it, he kind of halfway shrugged it off with answers I didn't like, and I ended up being CERTAIN he was scum. Then just...doing nothing with it. And there was no traction elsewhere to push him. + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 23:46 austinmcc wrote: Oats, I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me. Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation. And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum. Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT. I havent read VA that much if at all On July 11 2013 00:53 austinmcc wrote: Oats...what are you doing. You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this:But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing. If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands. D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No. So therefore you are scum. I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. On July 11 2013 01:06 austinmcc wrote: So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches? D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? On July 11 2013 01:08 austinmcc wrote: I think that if I'm your top scumread, you're mafia or really just being lazy. None of what you're saying really makes sense. And whether or not my plans/advice is "useless" doesn't indicate whether you think it's actually good or bad advice, advice that, if followed, would favor town or mafia. If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that? Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team. Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Here's the main chunk of Oats/me talking in Nuclear. I was town; he was mafia. Oats was pretty active on D1, but his votes/reads didn't look right to me, and I called him out on it.I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops. Speculation is bad. What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad? His response, almost like this, is to just sort of try to ... shrug off the pressure. Besides calling me mafia, which hasn't really happened the same way here, he NEVER really responds to the meat of my arguments --> he doesn't really want to chat about DI or his reads or how they progress, just how I'm mafia, or speculation is bad, or just shrug off that he didn't really have the reads I think he has. THIS WAS MY CONCLUSION AT ONE POINT THERE You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke AND TA DA! Oats has chosen not to read and participate in this game. In a SIMILAR vein to that game, Oats's reads don't line up for me. Palmar is super mega anti-town, but then utterly GONE once snb comes up. Nothing on Palmar today. No voting for Palmar, troll-voting for Palmar, anything. Just say he's anti-town early, do NOTHING with it, swap reads in ways I don't think make sense, etc. I may be overdrawing parallels, but the time games are very very similar in my mind, and this is why I'm pushing him so hard. I forgot about Oats in that game, despite KNOWING he was mafia off that bit. We all let him skate. Nobody hopped on board. And mafia mostly-cruised to a win. Boo. I remembered him being MORE posty and responsive, and still scumhunting, during Thug Life once he started getting serious accusations of being mafia. But that game was long, and there aren't a lot of quotes in his filter to show where people started getting super scummy on him, just I remember that happening and defending him there. Whatever. I don't think he's town. NOBODY seems to think he's actively town. That's not good imo. If you're mafia, FREE MISLYNCH. Just say you're sheeping me, jump on oats, mislynch, yayayaya. It's hard as hell to push a lynch on a guy who is actively just NOT POSTING AT ALL, not caring about this game one bit. Anyone who thinks that's just "oats being oats" is wrong, imo, from what I remember and what I saw in Thug Life, townoats gets accused of being scummy, yes, but he still does STUFF while responding to accusations, even jokingly. Here, NO STUFF. STUFF? NO! That's a one-game sample and that is bad of me, but here's the magical Oatsmaster Challenge. Can anyone who says this is "oats being oats" point to a game where he dropped a game this hard after being accused? Just...never ever posting, and when he posts it's really only to say his accusers are bad? If you cannot find a game like that, then what you actually think is "I believe this is oats being oats, but I'm not actually sure, because I haven't looked back to make sure I remember oats properly." And if you look back and can't find anything, then you're wrong about oats being oats, and you need to be thinking about oats being lynched. Ok ok ok. I won't shoot him for now. Prplhz already convinced me and Poofter actually gave me posts... we will see. I already tried to read some oats games earlier today (catastrophe, foundation, PYP, another one I forgot) and found out that I can't distinguish between his town and scumplay for the life of me. If you are unsure just get on the foolishness wagon and we lynch that scummer. | ||
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On May 01 2014 08:07 Tehpoofter wrote: @Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard. Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr. I actually like this post in general but I still think you are wrong. Right now I think Foolishness/BH is scum/scum and I don't see how that would be impossible in any way. Probably they are masons maybe they are not that does not prove their alignment. Yes, they will have to keep recruiting people - why would that be a problem? Another possibility is that BH is town and got totally outplayed by scum Foolishness which is - considering we are talking about BH - of course totally reasonable to think but not as likely as scum/scum in my opinion. Ignore the mason thingy and look at their play - it is really fucking obvious. I any case Foolishness is scum and should be lynched right meow. | ||
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On May 01 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote: I think oats is mafia. I want to lynch oats. I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation. I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats). Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy. No, I absolutely cannot tell you oats is town. But unlike Foolishness oats is KNOWN TO SUCK AS TOWN - it is NOT impossible that he is town. You can't look at his play and tell me with a straight face that this is town foolishness. You just can't. I have no idea how it is possible to have a stronger scumread on oats. I am seriously tempted to shoot oats just to end this madness. On May 01 2014 09:37 Blazinghand wrote: Foolishness is basically town for 1) posting reads and cases 2) responding to situations and not ignoring them 3) actually reading the thread and interacting with things that happen in the thread. 4) not being afk Of which all his reads are not doing. Like, I want you guys to contemplate what you're doing here. There's tons of like lurkers who aren't reading, writing cases, making reads, responding to situations, interacting with the thread. They're all being afk or "being afk" and here's foolishness actually playing the game and everyone's like "yeah clearly this guy, the guy actually playing the game, is scum" how serious are you here ._. SERIOUSLY? Are people even reading what this guy is trying to sell us? 1) Foolishness posted one noteworthy case on SnB which wasn't good and turned out to be wrong. There have been no insightful posts from him today at all. He is just throwing around half heartedly reasoned reads. 2) How does that make anyone town? 3) Proven wrong. Just look at how he answered me when I called him out. Even if it was true that does not make him town. 4) Does not make him town. BH is still harddefending Foolishness without ANY good argument. Nobody is town just because he is playing the game. Austin if you get your lynch and oats does not flip scum I will yell and rage at you and you better promise to lead a foolishness lynch day3. I can't believe how hard it is to get that mafia lynched although almost noone really has a townread on him, almost everyone has a townread on me and confirmed town sandroba GUARANTEED that he is in fact scum. | ||
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On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Foolishness Is town because he has clearly been reading the thread and holding people accountable for promises they've made. Note that he is pointing out them and not pushing for their immediate lynch for not doing so. This distinction is important because if he was just like "omg Ceph said he would do something and hasn't lets lynch him" that sounds like mafia pushing for an easy mislynch but he says this instead: He wants the info from the player hes not pushing for a lynch instantly he thinks its scummy but hes reasonable and wants to point it out/pressure him to give info. Note in this case it worked as Ceph gave his reads and Foolish responds to them: This does not make him town in any way. Holy shit, pressuring people to do what they promised is the easiest thing to do as mafia. Looks like you are contributing while in reality you didn’t create any useful content yourself. On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Here he responds to the case and he doesn't like what Ceph had to say (me personally I read him as town because of his post although I dislike his Foolish/Odin read I still think it was town) Foolish here reasons with Ceph's idea not with him. A mafia Foolish could just call ceph scummy and vote for him here its an easy thing to push and he doesn't he argues against the idea to try to get him to follow his thought process. The part I bolded just radiates town: He encourages people to post cases and not just sheep which is an excellent way to catch scum because scum can't just blindly sheep. Why can’t he do that as mafia? Again he doesn’t say anything insightful himself. Also: HE SEEMS TO HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ALL THE PEOPLE SHEEPING AUSTINS OATS READ RIGHT NOW! FISHY, EH? Who besides austin made a real case on oats, hm? On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Look at Foolishness' big post for the day:+ Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops. If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to: 1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say: a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond. 2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say: a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through. On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did"). Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game: 1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened. 2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct). It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? The people noteworthy here are: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend WaveOfShadow Who is guilty of: 1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions). 2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips ) Also ##Vote:sandroba And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure. 3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it: 4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that. He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored. Palmar Who is guilty of a lot of things. To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now. Oastmaster Who is guilty of: 1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. 2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care. --- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out. He comes out with his reads in a concise case like fashion hes pushing on people that either haven't done shit or have been doing scummy shit. The only weird thing he says is about Palmer and I called him out for it and he later gave in my opinion his only weird post of the day: I already posted earlier how the story he is inventing in this post makes no fucking sense since he assumes scum sat back while their buddy oats was on the verge of getting lynched. Pushing on people that haven’t done shit is the easy thing to do. Especially when those people are known to do so like RoL and oats. On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote: This is the only weird part of his reads and the only thing that felt off to me. Not sure how much I like this answer but the rest of his posts feel town to me and I can't see myself voting on him today over Oats who has been lurky is very much tied to Koshi and gives us a TON of info for vote analysis on flip. JAT Point out where I'm going wrong please but I think Foolish is town. 15(I have a double post idk how but counting it) (+4 given) I concede that getting oats alignment is pretty valuable but if it comes at the expense of a possible mislynch while we could have lynched obvious scum Foolishness it just isn’t worth it. Nothing you posted makes Foolishness town. Literally nothing. On May 01 2014 10:28 austinmcc wrote: Meh, I don't think oats sucks as town. And I'm confident in that read. I've mislynched before. I will likely mislynch again, assuming I play even just a single other game. It's cool, but you're getting super super worked up over this, when we've had 48 hours now. I know you've been on Foolishness's case, calling him out, but it's not like Oats hasn't had votes, hasn't been a lynch option. I don't care if you can read oats or not. Look at THIS GAME. What's the towniest thing he's done? The scummiest? If you're townoats, what's your thought process throughout the game. Same for scum. Given that you were worried about a chance to defend himself, do you feel he adequately did so? Does it seem he really...TRIED? Did he try/not try in a townie/scummy way? BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who cares if you can read oatsmaster. Is whoever is behind the computer, logging onto the Oatsmaster account, helping town this game? Trying to help town? If Oats flips town, I'll go boohoo and I'll read stuff and see where things are at. We'll also have kills, possible claims, blah blah. You're really up in arms here. Poofter you're not helping my paranoia, lol. That’s not how this game works austin. Because it is just a fact that it is oats that is behind the computer. No it does not seem like he really tried but does that make him scum? No, it doesn’t. Look at Titanic I if you don’t believe me. If someone has posts to spare I will always take them of course. If I am not mistaken I have one left and will save this to be able to switch which I will only do if we nolynch otherwise. | ||
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On May 01 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote: #Donate: 1 post to Justanothertownie @Jat. If you're so confident on foolish we have roles outed that can help make sure your shot hits or you can shoot him and vote Oats. Like I think foolish is town and both of these ideas I think are really terrible but IF we happen to be wrong on Oats I think we have a safety net in the fact that you still have a bullet. I agree with your point that Oats can look scummy as town but I felt like in Titanic he put through the effort to at least try to find scum in this game I haven't seen that and he looks a lot like he did right before and after he Trapped WoS in that Catastrophe game as scum. Also Jat who on the Oats train do you think is scummy? I realize I'm probably among them since we didn't see eye to eye on my shot but who else? just me? @Austin Sorry if I make you paranoid bro just trying to lynch scum. What do you think of Ace/VE not being here and voting no one that is going to get lynched today? I had town reads on both starting the day but their lurkyness is giving me pause. 3 posts left. On May 01 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote: That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? You want to know who I think is scum on oats? Go figure. Oats forgot he was medic in Titanic I and didn't save anyone for several cycles to go mia later on in the game. Oh yeah, and he defended the most obvious scum in the game for a "townslip". Whatever seems like he will be the lynch. Let us hope he is scum and damn you all if he isn't. Hmm, watch Ace waste his vote AGAIN like an asshole. | ||
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On May 01 2014 11:36 VayneAuthority wrote: its too easy, should we abort the oats lynch? idk if i like this u so funny ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Just so there is a lynch if any of those scummers decides he'd prefer a no lynch. | ||
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On May 01 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually this likely clears a LOT of people especially since Oats didn't use his shot. I can't see any conceivable way scum would bus him knowing he'd just lay down like that. Austin make a list or something I'm way too damn lazy this game (I'm sorry and I love you for keeping shit going) What the fuck? Hell no! Why would they not bus him? He could have shot last second if he wanted to. No idea why he didn't but it does not clear anyone. | ||
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On May 01 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote: This is especially pertinent. Good catch day 1 austin. So the fact that scum had a day vig we have myself as town day vig Jat claiming it and Slam already to have shot I think scum having equal amounts of vig shots to town would make sense if so I think Jat although really wrong on foolish/Oats wouldn't be that pushy on it as scum knowing the Oats flip is likely. You can call me wrong if foolishness flips town as long as that does not happen this is simply not true. I never once called oats town. This lynch was a bus if I ever saw one (I am pretty sure prplhz is town, Palmar maybe too). Why would all those people bus oats if Foolishness is town? Exactly. Foolishness is still scum and Blazinghand too. Look how this guy pushed for the snb lynch when oats got traction day1. On May 02 2014 01:44 austinmcc wrote: I'm honestly not sure how Koshi will flip. The post-shot stuff looked nice, but I was quite worried about him, especially if Oats was mafia. Hopefully we find out later on. Koshi wanted me to shoot oats and you think he was scum? On May 02 2014 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd. If you don't die wanna hash that out with me? PS I find it mostly hard to believe a scum JAT would blatantly push hard against an Oats lynch when the rest of his team basically didn't give a shit. Lol or perhaps that's WHY he pushed specifically? Meh. Ill be around deadline-ish maybe a little before. If you want to call me scum then fucking do it, pussy. What kind of bullshit post is that? I am obviously town already and when Foolishness flips that will be even more clear. Will be back much later since I have only one post left (always taking donations of course). 4/5 | ||
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The people that got dayvigged: Both probably town. I already said some stuff about why Koshi was town - listen to Odin if you are in doubt. Yamato I thought was town earlier and by now I am pretty sure about that considering how hard he went against the SnB and therefore FOR the oats lynch. Makes slam look bad btw. Town: austin - Lead the scumlynch, played towny all around. No doubt about this in my mind. prplhz - Helpful observations like the votecount thing he posted, gave posts to the poor, pushed Foolishness, was on oatsmaster day1 when it mattered. odin - The Koshi situation. His play didn't impress me otherwise but that read genuine to me. Maybe town: WoS - Was on oats day1, had some thoughts I had (re: BH for example). Cephiro - Was on oats day1 and had good reads later on. Might be traitor but he could also have tried to do some retarded play as town. It wouldn't be the first time. Palmar - Good reads. Null: VE - Have him as town in my spreadsheet but I don't remember why. Caller - Went after Vayne (good) but I am not sold. Ace - Could be town, could be scum. The only thing I know is that he is absolutely useless. RoL - another useless lurker, Foolishness pushing him as lynch target day3 slightly points towards town though gumshoe - another useless lurker Maybe scum: Poofter - Shot town Koshi, defended scum Foolishness with really shitty reasoning. He was the one that ultimately prevented oats from shooting though. Slam - Shot town yamato. Didn't seem to have fun and even made posts that indicated a somewhat sane person writing them. I would somehow feel bad lynching him for that though... Vayne - I already gave reasoning for this one. Scum. Lynch with fire: Blazinghand - Has not said anything useful all game. The only things he sort of pushed for were a gumshoe lynch day2 (crapshoot) and the SnB day1 when oats was getting traction (scummy as fuck). Besides that he defended Foolishness without ever giving even a single good reason for that. Foolishness - Made 1 bad case on town day1. No useful contribution since then. Totally fucked up his line of thought in his big post about the day1 lynch. Tried to discredit me without even reading my posts in detail. Complained to noone in particular when he got heat instead of trying to convince people by contributions. No fucking way this guy is town. There is also Sandrobas read on this one. The day2 was definitely a bus. There is no other way. Just look at the final votecount - do you really see a scumteam where noone is on oats at the end? I don't. So, why not go after the other wagon Foolishness when it still would have been possible to get him lynched if you are scum? Yep, because he is scum too. Take a look at when Foolishness and BH voted for oats. Oats was already unable to use his shot at that point, RoL did not get traction and the only other alternative was Foolishness himself. So they bussed him. I never, NEVER said Foolishness was scum for going after a town oats mislynch. My accusation on Foolishness was always completely independent of oats' alignment. Do you guys really think the best town Foolishness could come up with right now is a not very substantiated scumread on a lurker (RoL)? There is no insight, there is no effort - there is only scummyness. 5/5 | ||
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On May 02 2014 12:38 Foolishness wrote: I just reposted the case JAT. What about is not substantiated? You are going after a lurker for lurking/doing nothing. I remember your cases in the shadow game, I remember your cases in catastrophe. This is nothing like that. On May 02 2014 12:40 Foolishness wrote: Actually nevermind, I think you and I can just agree to disagree at this point cause it's not going anywhere. That's a nice way of saying you're going on my ignore list btw. <3 So you think I am town I take it? Not very protown move of you then. On May 02 2014 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: The only thing I'd call 5/5 in that post is the glorious respite we get from the garbage you call logic for the rest of the night. Another glorious contribution by based town hero Blazinghand. Perfectly in line with the rest of his filter. On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote: This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me? Because I thought you were talking about the voting mechanic. If you didn't the post I made before the one you quoted stands. You can believe that bussing is bad all you want but if you take even one look at the votecount you will realize that there were people bussing. | ||
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On May 02 2014 15:06 Blazinghand wrote: Anyone who shoots Cephiro, Slam or Blazinghand is scumclaiming and everyone should policy lynch such a person. ##vote cephiro /dunked How do the both things above go together BH? You can disagree about Cephiros play but as long as he is not cced there is no reason to doubt him. Lynching the claimed parity cop in this situation is the objectively wrong play. We should be lynching your scummy ass and if you happen to be town by some miracle we lynch slam. We can debate if I should shoot slam in this case day4 (maybe not because then we don't know if Cephiro is telling the truth). ##Vote: Blazinghand On May 02 2014 16:00 prplhz wrote: who wants 21 posts? (no crazy people) I take as many as you want to give me. You can't give more than 10 though (are you sure you won't be able to use your posts yourself?). On May 02 2014 21:09 Alakaslam wrote: He didn't shoot because likely the scum are playing better than town... Scum need mislynches. On May 02 2014 21:17 Alakaslam wrote: Ok ##Donate: 10 to Blazinghand WIFOM to thy dying breath this shall be glorious The Svengali, I will watch in the shadows Slam, you are not making this easier. Why the fuck would YOU donate posts to Blazinghand in this situation - you will need them. Seriously... | ||
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On May 02 2014 21:41 Alakaslam wrote: I have said everything there is to say. Like I said before if town wants me to fabricate some magic bullshit about why I did anything I did I am sorry, it's not happening. I have been open under interrogation, yet ignored- this is what happens. This is not about your shot (well maybe partly). We need you to post today, give reads and so on. It is in your interest as EITHER alignment to convince us you are the town between you and BH. I can tell you already that you won't if you keep doing this. | ||
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The thing is if we lynch one of Cephiros checks we get the same result and have a better chance of lynching scum today. Lynching outside of them only makes sense if you REALLY doubt the claim and I don't see any reason to do so - bold move to claim right now and risk being cced, Cephiro was on the scumwagon day1 when it was 8:8 and last but not least: is there anyone who really thinks BOTH of BH and slam are town? I don't. | ||
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On May 03 2014 05:50 Cephiro wrote: @Austin: I would be fine with your second suggestion, but my checks come in pairs. Basically, my checks "reset" after each pair, so the next comparison I will get is after N4 (if I live long enough to get a successful check on N3 and N4, and do not get killed till D5 so I can share them.) Wow, if that's true it is lame as hell. Don't know if I believe it. Hmm... | ||
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On May 03 2014 06:15 Caller wrote: check ve cuz he's scum, easy im surprised we havent gotten a coroner report yet. :/ Would it help us that much right now? I don't think so. Let's assume yamato and Koshi were town - what do we learn? | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:17 Foolishness wrote: JAT, I'm sorry I ever doubted your intelligence. I will buy you dinner should I ever get the opportunity to. Don't celebrate too early. I don't see that much reason to disagree with him tbh. | ||
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On May 03 2014 08:51 prplhz wrote: list of things this qt did for town: Yep. Most useful mason ever. Although not as bad as the one in the pm game yet. At some point you guys (should there be any town in the qt) need to realize that whatever shit you are discussing in there is useless as long as you don't bring your conclusions to the thread (and I mean WITH REASONING). | ||
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On May 03 2014 09:48 prplhz wrote: Two scum vigilantes isn't all that strong, apparently scum only have 1 KP after 1 scum lynch and and day vigilantes have to explain their shots and are also restricted by the vote leader thing which means that they're can't just yoloshoot townies when they're getting lynched. I personally think that Alakaslam is scum over Blazinghand. There's someone else I'd rather lynch though. Maybe even two. You are assuming yamato and Koshi were town and there was no successful medic/jailkeeper action regarding the KP. | ||
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On May 04 2014 08:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I reread BH's filter today at work seeing if there was much in there that was townie. (It was thank god more coherent than Slam's) It looks like a lot of activity is dying in the thread and I'm a bit sketched out about the fact that everyone is voting BH who claims to be in a mason QT vs Slam who day shot someone threatening to shoot people BWing on a town. Honestly I don't find any of them particularly townie the only saving grace for BH for me has been this Mason QT thing I mean if he is fake claiming mason is a ballsy move from him as scum. I would think that has very low success because he links himself so heavily with Foolish who is forced to back up his claim. I know more about Foolish than BH and I honestly feel like Foolish would make a better play than that but it could have been he was forced to go along with the BH ploy or steam role a mafia. The activity level of this game feels like the end of Catastrophe so maybe with the Oats lynch mafia has the wind out of its sails. (Perhaps that poofter guy did shoot right after all!) I really think slam's shot has been scummy and then he hasn't done much but there was a weird posts that I think Foolish pointed out at the start of day 2 where BH took the party line most mafia do of "lets lynch the lurkers" and he voted gumshoe who was first to case Oats. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe I'm gonna go with JAT today as I still read him town and if hes right on BH then I'll look over Foolish again but if Jat is wrong I might have to reread him because he is really pushing this BH/Foolish connection hard. (I think too hard to be mafia but flipping BH will tell us a lot) ##Vote: Blazinghand @austin Oats had the ability to shoot all the 2nd day and decided not to despite him having to know heat was most likely coming his way. He I think could have gotten away with a Slam shot so him choosing not to shoot means either a) He for some reason thought shooting slam would cause him more suspicion b) He wasn't around to take a shot before the votes got too high c) He is mafia with any of the people he feels like he could shoot and without flips it does nothing but hurt him (i.e. Slam) For me I lean towards b or C cause honestly Slam was on my shoot list if Koshi hadn't been scummy. I wouldn't have given Oats grief over it and honestly probably given him some town cred. @Foolish I might be misunderstanding how the mason thing works but I don't understand your voting on BH if you're in a QT with him as I thought being in the QT meant you were both confirmed town. Take another look at the OP. The listed roles may be in the game as EITHER alignment. | ||
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On May 04 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Does anybody else absolutely hate this post? Me. It's like he is setting himself up for a BH town flip. Makes me feel uneasy. | ||
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On May 04 2014 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote: I think regardless of outcome of today's lynch I want to see poofter swing. Hell I might actually be more convinced of this now than even BH. Especially given the Koshi shot. Hmmm. I feel very marv-y atm. I think I may actually ask for some extra posts today. People's thoughts on this post and poofter in general. Go. We are not lynching outside of the checks today Wave. Otherwise you have my support. | ||
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On May 04 2014 09:14 Blazinghand wrote: ##donate 5 posts to WoS Look, I haven't played great, and I've been on the wrong side of the D1 lynch and looked for shenannies on the D2 Lynch. I'll admit it! But when it comes down to it, I've actually been putting in effort to this game. I haven't had amazing reads, but that's all in the past. I could still catch scum here. It'll be even easier if slam is the scum and not ceph. The level of detail in ceph's claims and the weirdness in his role (though it's consistent with previous ver games) leads me to believe it's a real claim. Like, the whole thing abou this target choices and claim timing make sense because a D4 claim doesn't let him bring more info to the table than a D3 claim and this kind of parity cop, the kind Ver uses, doesn't benefit from anchoring checks. It makes sense. I'll offer a bit of defense that I think is worthwhile. 1. Foolishness Defense: If I were a scum masoner and not a town masoner, it would not make a lot of sense to recruit Foolishness D1 then hard-defend him. If he's town, scum-me wouldn't want to defend him QUITE so hard. I stuck my neck in the noose with his to get him out, and that's because I really do think the guy is town. If I get lynched for that, at least he's alive and I got something done. I don't see any advantage for me to do this as scum. And if Foolishness is somehow my scumbuddy and I recruited him D1, it would be supremely obvious to my subsequent mason-buddies that he and I were scum together. We've genuinely done good work together. Or at least bounced ideas. Maybe as scum I'd still recruit a town Foolishness and hard defend him, but not like this. Not in a way that turns the entire town against me and makes them want to lynch me before him. You can WIFOM this all you want but really, my hard defenses (like GK that one time I was scum and he was town) as scum don't put my life in danger like this. I'm typically the most valuable member of any scumteam. 2. Oatsmaster stuff: Look, 100% Oats was gonna get lynched. He was the 2ndary wagon D1 and the primary wagon flipped town. His scumbuddies knew that his lynch was inevitable. Yes, I was on the wrong side and had ugly timing on all the Oats wagons. I guarantee you though that as scum I would either hard bus him. The shennanies were weak and shitty, but that's mostly because shenannies rely on lots of little posts and organizing an active town, ideally in a plurality, not majority game. As scum, I would position myself not to look quite so disgusting after an oats flip. Look at me. I'm BH. Do you really think I consider Oats' life ANYWHERE near as valuable as mine? Of course not. As scum, I'd bus him in a heartbeat. I might do it for no reason just to get rid of the guy. He can't be relied on. Now, if I'm scum right now, I could be saying this to throw you off, but if I'm scum 100% I bus oats, not because I think it's some great strat, but because I disdain him. He is trash. He doesn't deserve to share a QT with a god. You know me. I'm the guy who claims survivor and sticks to it after another guy flips survivor. I'm the guy who talks about emotional breakdowns to get out of the noose. I don't care about my scumteammates, all I care about is winning, and since I'm the best player, that means bussing, not putting myself in the noose to save anyone. Not Foolishness, and certainly not Oats. Really guys, you think I tried to save Oats? 3. Cephiro. Ok, yes, I admit, I was overly suspicious of his claim. But at the time he claimed it, you gotta admit: It was a shit claim. If he was a normal parity cop, those checks would be shit checks and this would be a shit time to claim. He'd be scum. Since he's a Verparity cop, or Verity cop as I call them, then his claim makes sense. But you know who didn't question Ceph's claim? Slam. Slam just accepted it, voted me, and gave away posts. Just like he KNEW that the claim was true, and he KNEW that our alignments are different, because he's scum. When I'm town, I'm a paranoid motherfucker. I don't trust anyone. I double-check everything. I have been supremely careful about who I let in the QT, and I am pretty sure it's actually all town in there. The only guy who I didn't super check out was this last guy we added, but he's so town it hurts. Look: I doubted the claim, and I did so not cause I'm scum, but because if you were me and in my shoes and that claim came through, looking dodge as fuck, you would question it too. Slam knew the claim was real immediately, because he's scum and knows I'm town. This is my mindset, and it's just how I operate. I don't trust people. You know that about me. You know I'd lie for any reason to win a mafia game, and that's how I view others, and that's how I viewed this claim before the extra deets. All of these points you're gonna look at and thing "oh BH is saying it though"-- but stop for a minute and take an outside view and look at it objectively. It's not "too scummy to be scum", it's "too strategically ineffective at furthering scum goals to be scum". I doubt people. I put my neck out for a guy I thought was town (remember, I thought he was town enough to MASON him). I soft-defended a guy who flipped scum, but that guy was Oatsmaster, possibly the most useless player that I don't WoTC. Maybe my mindset seems foreign to you, but those of you who know me: this aint my scum play. Vote slam. I'll have an extra 96 hours as conftown, since scum is presumably shooting ceph first. I'll make it worth your while. 1. As long as nobody confirms this and there is something brought to the thread about your qt (you don't need to include roles) this defense is invalid. Also you didn't put your life in danger with it. You are on the chopping block mainly because of the cop check. You couldn't know it would turn out this way. 2. WIFOM. Also your attitude just makes me want to lynch you even more. | ||
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On May 04 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote: honestly JAT I have zero respect for you as a human being so not even gonna bother with you That's ok. You won't have to bother with me much longer | ||
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On May 01 2014 12:17 austinmcc wrote: Fuck bitches Stack paper Sleepytime now, but that's reeeeeeeeeal nice. Probably some neat stuff to mine from folks's reactions and whatnot, but mainly we still just lynch scummy dudes. | ||
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Since BH was the traitor there is still a small chance that Cephiro is mafia, correct? I don't think it's likely but people should not forget this if Cephiro is alive at LYLO or something like that. I think he is town and so is slam. On May 04 2014 14:34 Alakaslam wrote: Palmar scum On May 04 2014 16:40 Alakaslam wrote: So is VE. On May 04 2014 16:40 Alakaslam wrote: Ace might be. He should explain Slam, you are in the nice position of almost confirmed town. Everybody will listen to you even if they didn't do so before. It would really be appreciated if you could go into a little more detail with those reads. Foolishness is correct when he says BHs reads don't tell us anything really (if we assume he wasn't recruited). But there is one read that DOES. What would you guys do as a mason recruiter/traitor? You would mason a scumread so that you can be recruited if you are correct and work things out in the qt. This also explains why nobody wants to give any information about it. It also makes sense that BH defends Foolishness hardcore this way even if Foolishness did not trust him. It explains why Foolishness could "bus" him day3 and it explains why there are 2 scum in a qt in the first place. We should lynch Foolishness day4. | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup. Makes sense to me and I figured as such. Nobody who voted BH is cleared today. Except me 'cause I pushed him yesterday :D :D :D And how exactly does that make you town? As scum you would not know that you are pushing the traitor. Whereas mafia could be pretty sure that either slam or BH was traitor yesterday. 4/5 | ||
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On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote: Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of: JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason! Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z. JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted! This is just blatant lying. I have to wonder Foolishness. Why do you assume that people in a TRAITOR RECRUITED QT are all town? Seems pretty far fetched to me, especially since the townier people like austin, WoS, prplhz, Cephiro, me do not seem to be a part of it. On May 05 2014 10:52 austinmcc wrote: People who wanted to straight up lynch Foolishness instead of BH/slam seem unlikely to be mafia, given that mafia could essentially guarantee 2 mislynches, or at very least 1 mislynch and 1 traitor kill (they know neither BH/slam is mafia mafia, just let town lynch one and then the other). It seems like too big an opportunity for scum to pass up at all. You can split yourselves on BH/slam if you're worried about all being on one side, but KNOWING that neither is mafia mafia means FREE MISLYNCHES to the mafia team. I don't see mafia passing up FREE MISLYNCHES in order to try and push Foolishness. Super especially if Fool is mafia, then prplhz is 200000% cleared (Hi there, I'd like to lynch this dude, who is mafia, instead of FREE MISLYNCHES). This is bad logic in my opinion. I don't disagree with the prplhz townread but your reasoning for that is awful. You assume that scum really thought Cephiro had to be the traitor which is a bold assumption. If they didn't then trying to lynch outside the checks is a really mafia oriented play. Of course prplhz is likely town if Foolishness is scum but that's also the case without this reasoning. | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:23 prplhz wrote: omfg don't shoot ace I don't think I will. No worries. ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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How did I not notice this before. Foolishness asking Cephiro for information about traitor when mafia knows traitor is between his checks and him. Coincidence? I don't think so. | ||
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Besides that - like I already said - is there anyone who really thinks a traitor would try to make an all town qt? Seriously? I am warning you right now. Foolishness is getting lynched today and if he is not because some cowards don't have the balls do to so then I will straight up shoot him. | ||
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On May 06 2014 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote: No, JAT, you won't. We absolutely need him to flip---i get that you're all gungho on Foolishness scum and have rammed it down our throats all game, but for somebody who has withheld his shot so long and doesn't even want to eliminate people who don't vote and don't bother playing the game and are thus inconsequential, it disturbs me that you'd think shooting him is a good idea. Yes, I absolutely will. If you want his flip you will have to lynch him with me today. Scum will never shoot him (because he is scum but they also wouldn't if he wasn't). Funny that you are saying we absolutely need his flip while voting a different guy. The way to have him flip is to fucking lynch him. I would have shot day2 but austin didn't want me to. Now I see some people who don't bother (Ace, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, VE) but none of them strikes me as really scummy and I want to shoot scum if possible. So if you want me to shoot one of them give me a good reasoning for it and vote Foolishness and we can maybe work something out. I would love to shoot VA but he basically hardclaimed hero by now so I won't. | ||
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On May 06 2014 02:41 Alakaslam wrote: JaT when pholks shuts the ears and sing "lalala can't hear you" I sing back "scumscumscum I won't hear you" You know? That's nice! Maybe you should start a choir! I want some info about this qt now. There is literally no reason to not give town information. Foolishness, do you think the people in the qt will get shot just for being in the qt? The "town circle" (lol)? While we have 2 confirmed townies AND austin running around? It seems like mafia has only 1 KP - they would need 3 (!) nights of successful shots before even considering shooting some poor dude for being in your awesome qt. | ||
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On May 06 2014 04:01 Alakaslam wrote: JAT dude the qt probably contains the martyrs or some other sensitive info. Back off on that. Foolishness is town. I have no idea why you think there would be more martyrs or why that would be in the qt. And I have SERIOUSLY no idea why you think what austin posted makes Foolishness town. Look, I trust austin so I will work with what he gave us and shut up about the qt. Fact is - there is obviously nothing in there that makes Foolishness town. Look at Catastrophe or Shadow game and pay attention to the cases Foolishness gives in those game. How much work, point of view explanation and detail is in there. How correct he was about many things in both games day1. Then look at this game. Then put your vote where it fucking belongs. | ||
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On April 30 2014 19:42 Foolishness wrote: We must be playing a different game JAT. Because I could have sworn you said you wanted to kill Oats (probably a good idea) and yet are voting me for my correct analysis about what happened day 1 (clearly a bad idea). He is contradicting himself in 1 (!) sentence. Good job. He is not trying to defend himself by contributing something and instead just tries to ridicule the accusations against him by misrepresenting them in the process like he does here for example: On May 02 2014 11:28 Foolishness wrote: "Foolishness is scum! He pushed a mislynch day 1 and is pushing a mislynch on day 2!" *Oatsmaster flips mafia* "Foolishness is scum! He clearly bussed his own teammate with his scumbuddy blazinghand!" He isn't trying to convince me that he is town by working with me ALTHOUGH HE SAYS I AM TOWN - he is just hoping that everyone will ignore me since I am so hellbent on killing him. He has not made a single genuine, insightful case or even post all game. He went after RoL (town) for days now until scum shot him (almost certainly unintentionally) without making a real case on him after his terrible day1 case on SnB (town). It seems like he didn't discuss his TOP SCUMREAD RoL in the qt at all. He is going for lurkers above all else. Foolishness if you are town I expect from you that you do a new analysis of how the day1 lynch went down now that we know some key alignments (oats, BH, RoL...). Day2 would also be good (I don't think there is much to gain by analysing the day3 lynch). If you don't come up with good contributions today you will die one way or the other. | ||
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On May 06 2014 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's see here. Austin, I suppose if you were trying to trap those who have been tunneling Foolishness or something, alright, but what have you got to show for waiting and wasting my time? I don't really appreciate you not setting me straight. I mean I appreciate the QT info, but you really just had to say you were in there. (Now of course this could be one epic as fuck scumplay from you---if anybody could do it, it would be you but I think at this point I'd be willing to lose to you if you pulled something like this and essentially faked an entire QT or something.) Can we talk a little plz? Who do you want lynched today, and why? Now Foolishness I'd appreciate the answering of a few questions if possible. 1) Like JAT says, there are a few cruicial reads missing---where are your reads on me/RoL from that QT considering you were attempting to push us to some degree D1? 2) What from the information that Austin released was so absolutely crucial to your 'circle' that you couldn't release any of it? Unrelated---I'm wondering now if one of the original shots wasn't on scum. If there has been a successful protect the past couple nights I can't imagine they had two shots (unless they had only 1 KP from the start I guess...). I still want Poofter lynched right now, and until somebody offers me something better he is who I will be pushing. 3) This isn't a question but can you do something today so I can feel justified in not lynching you beyond the stuff Austin said? I just gave you something better. And no, the stuff austin said should not make you feel better about not lynching Foolishness. | ||
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On May 06 2014 10:22 Ace wrote: Correct me if I'm way off here but is there any reason Foolishness is Scum that has anything to do with not being related to a QT? I've skimmed this thread and that's one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever. BH was scum, so Foolishness was in a QT with him = Foolishness scum? It's nice that you are actually in the thread posting but maybe you should read the thread and not skim? That's absolutely not why Foolishness is going to get lynched. | ||
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On May 06 2014 10:25 Ace wrote: Tell me why he's getting lynched then ( I don't have time to read everything) Take a look into my filter or maybe you are lucky and austin makes a summary for you. My time is really limited until tomorrow evening. | ||
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On May 06 2014 10:29 Alakaslam wrote: But JaT. You had this post where you said he contradicted himself Here, but the statement you made red has nothing to do with what you say it says Yes, it does because in the post in question his day1 analysis was that the day1 lynch was town driven and mafia sat back which doesn't go together with a scumread on the second wagon oatsmaster. | ||
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On May 06 2014 13:24 Foolishness wrote: What am I answering? It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list. Yaaaaaaawn. The very existence of this ignore list with townreads on it is questionable. On May 06 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote: If you're town, you'll be confirmed after your lynch. Instead of focusing on arguing with people, how about you focus on leaving the best information you possibly can after your death. It has the additional benefit of being the best way of getting out of being lynched, because if you write enough about people, both quality and quantity, you might just not get lynched. Exactly this. @Ace: I like your style (confident, decisive, arrogant) but just because you say something isn't scummy doesn't mean that's true. If you think Palmar is a better lynch why don't you give us a good case on him? If/when Foolishness flips scum I will look at you funny. afk for ~ 7 hours. | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Model_1 Poofter, austin already asked you this but I would like you to explain why the qt stuff makes you think Foolishness is being towny (this is not the first time that you defended him without a good reasoning and it does not sit well with me). Same to WoS. I honestly don't see it at all. I hope prplhz isn't modkilled Based Palmar, stop being reasonable. I might start to think you care about this game and retract my townread on you! | ||
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The fact that he is not doing that and moans and bitches instead only shows that he is scum who is giving up and doesn't want to put in any more effort/to incriminate his buddies. | ||
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On May 07 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote: JAT, shut up. Nope. | ||
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PEOPLE GET ON FOOLISHNESS RIGHT NOW. Do NOT shit the bed here. I am off and I swear to all that is holy that my bullet will be put into the head one of you guys if you fuck this up. | ||
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On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote: This is no joke btw. We super lynch poof if fool is town. I agree with this. | ||
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On May 07 2014 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Right now it's a no-lynch anyway in case you haven't realized. Disappearing until tomorrow if you want a flip today is probably a bad idea. Also I don't respond to threats, and I'm pretty sure the way you've been ranting and slavering away all game, I doubt anyone else will either. Whatever happens will happen despite you it seems. You do not fight a no lynch by switching to a much smaller wagon. The people who did not vote will come in later and put there vote somewhere. We don't need that many. If you want a lynch you stay at Foolishness and urge other people to join you PERIOD. And it is not my responsibility to keep you guys from being retarded at 2 am in the morning when I have to get up in 5 hours again. | ||
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Attitude or not it is baffling to me how you are toying with the idea to switch off a person you are scummy on to a wagon with much less votes and scummy people on it while being afraid of a no lynch. It makes no sense and it makes me angry when we have the opportunity to kill Foolishness who basically claimed scum today. Sorry if I am going overboard and I really don't mean it in any personal way but what is going on here right now looks like pure stupidity to me if you guys are town. | ||
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On May 07 2014 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: The point is, there are things in Foolishness' play that give me pause, and they should give you pause too. It worries me that despite interaction with Foolishness in the QT, Austin is somehow MORE sure now of his alignment than before, when even I was sure he was scum. No, as much as you want to call it that, Foolishness did not 'claim scum.' It's entirely possible he is telling the truth and is frustrated at being targeted basically all game when in his mind he has been nothing but useful/helpful. I've seen it before and I'm sure I'll see it again. It's frustrating to ME that you have done absolutely nothing this entire game but tunnel him into oblivion without even once considering other options or possibilities. That's not good townie play. Objectively, you're probably right and I think the most likely lynch we're going to get is Foolishness today but I don't feel fantastic about it. This qt stuff just is not towny in the slightest. You really think town Foolishness would not discuss his TOP SCUMREAD FOR DAYS RoL in there in any shape or form? No way. You think town Foolishness would feel frustrated to the point of refusing to play the game for being targeted right now? No way. Take another look at the shadow game then. You even played in that game... jesus. And apart from that game he NEVER got lynched in like 20 towngames. Does it seem to you like that would be possible if this is his townplay? Right - NO WAY. | ||
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With that I am gone. Austin please make this lynch happen. I have faith in you - Knowing me, knowing you it's the best I can do. | ||
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On May 07 2014 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the perfect situation for scum right now. Austin and JAT now look like shit, the rest of the players in this game aren't even playing... Fucking shit dicks. Palmar or Poofter tomorrow. I'll have to really look hard to decide which. I'm thinking Palmar. JAT I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about this. And there had better not be one fucking WORD about how 'it's his own fault' or any of that shit, because you have been nothing but antagonistic and remorseless this entire game and have not accomplished anything else and YOU WERE FUCKING WRONG. You'd better analyze where you went wrong and fucking step it up. His play fucking sucked and he is the first one responsible for this since he is the one who got lynched without doing something against it - so yeah, it is his own damn fault. Yes, I was wrong, yes, I sucked too. Sorry, for that. This is not the perfect situation for scum, we lynched 2 of them in a row before. Foolishness flip (and boy was it needed - not only to get me on the right path) does not magically make austin and me scum. Will have a fresh look at the game later. | ||
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WoS, I don't see anyone painting me or austin scummy for this lynch and frankly if there is someone then that person is either scum or retarded. So, I don't see why you are getting all pessimistic. I am in the process of reevaluating this game - will take a while but since I won't be killed tonight that's fine I guess - and it is nice to be able to work with the few things Foolishness DID say knowing he was genuine. First and foremost: I will pobably shoot tomorrow and reduce the number of useless lurking fucks, hooray! I am taking suggestions and I hope this encourages some people to start doing things. My choice right now would be caller. Completely useless and constantly on the wrong wagons. Opinions? | ||
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Well then I will have to choose someone else. WoS I don't look like shit because I DID other things. I pushed the hardest for BH - does not make me town but I did things. I was on the oats wagon and spoke up against the SnB case. Stop trying to sell I did nothing apart from Foolishness madness because it's untrue. | ||
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On May 08 2014 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd say shoot VE. Almost feels like a waste since he may get modkilled on D15 or whenever Hapa decides its late enough in the game that warnings/replacements aren't sufficient. Higher chance of him being scum than gumshoe who has played exactly like this countless numbers of times as town (and I inevitably get him mislynched for it) Reasonable. Was thinking about VE or scumshoe too. I am not a gumshoe expert but I know he plays awful and scummy as either alignment. Is it really true though that he only lurks this hard as town like you said (I believe) earlier? VE would also be my preference I guess if the nuke lands this time. | ||
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I also took a look at VEs filter just now and there ARE things that seem somewhat towny. Meh. Why would Ace shoot my target... scumbag. 5/5 | ||
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On May 08 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote: WoS is 100% mafia. The three variables are a) X = WoS personal read on Justin b) Y = WoS opinion of how rest of town perceives Justin c) Z = The situation quality for mafia The first quote seems to imply WoS's personal read on Justin is that they're town (X = Town), but look bad to rest of town. (Y = Scum). This is consistent with Z = perfect. I initially commented on his post here and called him out on basically saying Justin is confirmed town in his opinion (X = Town). The reason I say this is that given we know the solution (Z = Perfect), there is no way to solve it as X = scum. If we assume X = Scum: WoS then thinks Justin is mafia (or part of him), but if X = Scum and Y = scum (they look really bad), then Z cannot be perfect. In what universe would that be a good situation for mafia? So the only solution that is consistent with WoS's wording is X = Town, which in itself is suspicious. His second quote then starts to waffle on random shit that says nothing, he calls them out on being bad but says maybe other people should be lynched first. Dude is 100% mafia., 100% Lynch with fire. Yeah, I found that to be weird too. bla bla now the most outspoken townies look like shit bla cry whine bla. Dude, WoS that's not true and nobody really believes it! Of course people do! Here is why: bullshit bullshit discredit bullshit bla whine bla bla cry. Not liking it. Hello marv, read quickly - a new perspective on this game would be totally awesome. I claimed dayvig multiple times and still do. so shot suggestions would be nice. My choice would be caller right now (since Aces nuke seems to be fake) for being useless and on the wrong wagons. Justin for the win, lay all your love on us! | ||
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On May 08 2014 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I think marv will suggest the same thing im going to suggest, you need to shoot a massive lurker as we don't care what their alignment is. Caller not flipping is a terrible idea The bolded describes Caller pretty well. Who do you think fits that bill better than him and why? Why is Caller not flipping terrible - what information do we gain from his flip? | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh. Not scum but lost my will to live in this game really. I think the only thing keeping me going would be to keep my mislynch stat low because I already assume this is a win for scum. If you guys think Palmar is capable of catching me out completely based on one post as scum then by all means. I'm gone all day and am show up sporadically if something interests me. This game was much less stressful and annoying when I didn't care about it. Now I know why everyone else does the same! Your mindset is serously annoying me right now. We mislynched after 2 consecutive scum lynches. So what? We have quite a few townie looking people. Why is this a win for scum? Man up and just play the damn game, dude. On May 08 2014 22:21 Caller wrote: i say we massclaim at this point, since we're clearly out of night protection and mafia are just going to shoot confirmed town anyways (read: alakaslam). i refuse to believe that town has only one cop, a bunch of idiot day shooters, some martyrs, and a useless fucking fake nuke, while mafia has (so far) a day vig and a mason mafia. do we not have a coroner? do we not have a jailer? has jailer been constantly jailing somebody, thus denying mafia kp? Seriously, let's go. What the fuck do we gain by massclaiming? I mean apart from making it easier for scum to choose their kills obviously. @marv: The thing is - do you see a reason for caller to be town? I mean I am not dead set on shooting him over people like VE or gumshoe but he was on like every wrong wagon and useless besides that. Also, I don't really see why people think VA is town and I won't sheep a day1 read from Koshi who was very wrong on many things this game. | ||
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I share the feeling about gumshoe but you must keep in mind that BH was potentially not on the scumteam since he was the traitor so associative tells kinda suck here. Who do we lynch today? | ||
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On May 09 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote: "Note and understand" my opinion all you like, but if you shoot anyone not-Ace, I will have extremely bad feelings about you, as there is zero reason to shoot outside of Ace. Relax. I admit that it seems like the objectively correct shot. I am just hesitating because I really don't want to shoot town and I have no read whatsoever on Ace. I have a really hard time believing the guy who wrote the mafia manifesto etc. plays this way as scum. Does he? I never played with Ace but I heard his townplay is average and his scumplay really good. Ace, you have ~30 hours to do towny stuff. | ||
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On May 09 2014 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually if marv actually thinks I'm scum then ##Vote: marvelosity EZ game EZ life. You know you are going to be lynched if that's everything you got, right? On May 09 2014 03:52 Ace wrote: yall dont wanna lynch Caller? pffft btw what is "towny" stuff? Surprise me! | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS? @slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this? Scum WoS could feel the need to start playing when his team starts losing, right? Seems pretty logical to me. So if WoS is town his spiked activity is not the reason in my opinion. Marvs scumgame is really good. There are people who disagree but I tell you it is frightening. He is perfectly able to post what he did as scum. On May 09 2014 10:11 austinmcc wrote: Mostly @poofter here. This was basically my reasoning when I called prplhz super townie. Foolishness was more worried about prplhz, just not sure what to make of him and kinda scummy, I was very very townie because sticking neck out and aiming AWAY from the cop checks (when you can just kill the townie and waste time) read very town to me. i THINK that BH being traitor negates this. The rest of prplhz's filter is still valuable and we need to look at it hard, but the voting Foolishness stuff is meh because if scum trusted the check, they knew that EITHER slam or BH was traitor. Scum wanting to lynch outside a town/scum check doesn't make sense to me, because they can push for a 1:1 lynch, at least try and swing things that way. But scum don't want to lynch the traitor. If they haven't tried to recruit, cephiro's check says TO TOWN "one of these guys is scum." TO MAFIA, it says "one of these guys is the traitor." Mafia has, at worst, a 50/50 shot now at recruitment, instead of having to pick the traitor out of everyone. Just waiting even one day lets them try to recruit and be at full strength. I can totally understand mafia wanting to lynch outside the cop check IF the cop checks the traitor. I thought it was super townie because I thought the cop check had found a full-fledged mafia. Marv is arguing the same thing now, and while "scum prplhz dislikes sticking his neck out" is possibly a valid point, "scum would want to lynch into the cop check" is not. Exactly. Austin still #1 town. On May 09 2014 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry Austin. I trust marv more than you and will be sheeping him today. Even if Palmar convinces him to vote me. The stars have really aligned in this game--- for once I actually have a strong town read on marv I have no reason to doubt AND I don't feel guilty or stupid sheeping him because all sorts of meh. Maybe I will care more sometime tomorrow before deadline. ##vote: visceraeyes I don't like this. I think townreading marv is not scummy but townreading him over austin makes no sense in the slightest. On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh? You are not confirmed town and you are not "like confirmed town" either. You should stop defending yourself this way. It might work in video mafia but not in forum mafia. Just because someone is suspicious of you that does in no way mean he has to be scum. On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote: @Jat where you at man? What do you think about hte VE/Marv/WoS thing going on, I feel like there is at least one mafia in there (probably not WoS) or a scum team of like some combination of Ace/Caller/VA/gum is just sitting back and laughing today and coasting to an easy victory. There could very well be mafia in there but I don't know who it is. Marv looks decent although I don't really understand why he is fighting with austin that hard. VE is not impressing in the thread but I have no access to the qt. Confirmed town Foolishness thought he is town and very very very likely town austin thinks so too. That makes me not want to lynch him. WoS just gets weirder and weirder today. On May 09 2014 19:28 Palmar wrote: I don't 100% agree marv. While I don't mind lynching VE, there is a chance this is his towngame. But I think lynching him over and over again for playing like this is fine anyway. I like this. But I also like winning. | ||
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Austin, you rambled on about all those other question marks. What about Ace? Ace, your time is slowly running out. You did some things (good) but it is not enough. I will keep holding back most of my opinions for a few more hours for specific reasons (and because I have to travel) just so you know. | ||
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On May 10 2014 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I would actually laugh if we lynched marv today. I certainly won't contribute to it 'cause dude's obvs townmarv but whateva. Sorry buddeh but it would be pretty hilarious. I think I seriously wouldn't mind just lynching the shoe tonight. I think its high time for me to be wrong about him again. You are soooo helpful. I am starting to think Palmar might be right. On May 10 2014 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, gumshoe is a pure lurker lynch. Pure policy. I mean, that's fine guys, but call it what it is, don't dress it up like you think he's mafia. I mean, I guess there are little things that point to him being mafia - like how he actually does make it in to make sure he's not modkilled and stuff, but that's kinda meta and whatever. The main problem with gumshoe is that he's simply not playing. Just call it what it is. This is true. On May 10 2014 04:19 marvellosity wrote: Important Lynch List you must follow when I Die Alive players Misc. Stop it. Just ignore the trolls and play your game if you are town, please. I am not a fan of this marv wagon right now. All the unknowns immediately jumped on it, nobody seems to be against it. That is not a good sign. Austin, you are telling us marv is scummy. Why? Is it just because of his VE push? Palmar, why are you voting marv if you would rather lynch WoS or Poofter? I am - like austin - of the opinion that it is time to reduce the ?s today. I will not be lynching VE for stated reasons - that leaves caller, ace and gumshoe. I would be down to something like praying for a gumshoe modkill (seriously the mods have to take action eventually...) while lynching/shooting the other 2. Opinions? | ||
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On May 10 2014 05:17 marvellosity wrote: jat, stfu if you won't just fucking shoot Ace. Christ. What the hell are you talking about? I will shoot someone (very possibly Ace) in 1-2 hours don't worry about that. | ||
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On May 10 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote: why on earth would I vote gumshoe when there are plenty of actual good scum candidates? what kind of question is that? We could lynch Ace instead you know. The reason you gave me for shooting him was that there were no ties whatsoever to anyone. There is now, to you. It seems very unlikely that you are both scum so from my perspective it would not be optimal to shoot him right now if those idiots really push your lynch through. We could on the other hand just lynch him and if he flips scum you look really good. Lynching caller would give us no information at all but he still needs to die sooner rather than later. Why not shoot him? I will shoot one of those 2 in ~ 1 hour. That's for sure. | ||
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On May 10 2014 07:15 austinmcc wrote: It's too late in day to argue shot target, still be playing marv/ve games. Need 2-3 targets max, agreed upon, that you can actually get a majority for. I think gumshoe, maybe a caller or palmar or botg. Also, if you're going to shoot someone you should do it now or earlier. The posturing is meh, akd people seem to mainly talk AFTER shots, so some of whatever vali3 exists in shooting is lost. In a game with one scum kp though i atill don't like shooting. We get no flip, and any mis-shot is a whole cycle scum don't have to survive, sorta But we will never get rid of those people if I don't shoot. Give me your opinion NOW and I will make it quick. | ||
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On May 10 2014 08:12 austinmcc wrote: ##vote: gumshoe Again, will try and check back before deadline but unsre on sobriety and ability to operate phone. I want to let marv/vw simmer a bit but everyone should talk about it imo Wtf... we need a majority in 3 hours and you want to let it simmer a bit? | ||
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If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there. Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe? | ||
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On May 10 2014 09:42 Tehpoofter wrote: @Jat what do you think of Palmer and Ace's play today? I have to think they're doing something weird the only real unease I have about the Marv lynch is that they're both on it. Do you think there is a mafia in there between Palmer and Ace if so who? Also I don't see your vote on the vote count list... have you voted? What do you make of WoS/Austin sitting on the modkillable gumshoe instead of someone actually playing like this is my town people in austin and WoS so I don't think its a scummy thing I just think its the wrong play. 11 posts 5 given. I had a slight townread on Palmar for ages now. So I would say if there is one town between them it's him. He has fooled me hard before though. No, I have not voted yet but I am toying with a vote on Ace right now. Austin and Wos aren't being helpful right now. Austin is town though, WoS unsure. | ||
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On May 10 2014 09:49 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote thepoofter Come on. Tell us why. We need 6 votes on someone soon (you are spreading the votes even more right now) and if you want to lynch him you will need to convince people. This is really badly looking like a nolynch right now and we must not no lynch. | ||
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On May 10 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TOWN. IF YOU ARE TOWN, NEVER PLAY A GAME ON THIS SITE AGAIN. I second this. WoS. If you are town have the dignity to play this out. I will too. | ||
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On May 10 2014 17:12 Palmar wrote: I hope you're mafia so I don't have to lose respect for you. I disagree although I understand you here. I am probably just assuming WoS is town for the rest of the game. Dickmove analysis. If he is scum this is really low. On May 10 2014 18:25 Palmar wrote: 1 post over the limit no one is going to care about slam and you know it. Fuck you Come on, no need to be like that. Channel your anger towards gumshoe. I actually thought about that slam, sorry. I thought you would probably go one post over the limit to prevent the nolynch so I assumed you weren't available. Marv, please play this game in a normal way tomorrow if you are town and don't let people provoke you. Sorry to all townies in this game for shooting caller. I should have waited and shot gumshoe when he came back there. My bad. We all know who will die tonight so please give austin posts if you have some to spare. He needs to get his SOBER thoughts into the thread before the end of the night and he wasted almost all of them. | ||
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On May 11 2014 07:41 Tehpoofter wrote: @JaT why do you automatically assume your shot on Caller was bad? I don't but I KNOW that a gumshoe shot would have been good - regardless of his alignment. If he is scum that's self-explanatory. If he is town he will probably fuck up 2 lynches and cost us the game. AUSTIN!?!?! You there? Probably hungover or in a hospital because of alcohol poisoning according to his posts yesterday... 5/5 | ||
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On May 11 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: If I am scum I don't shoot Austin and leave myself alone in a useless qt. I don't shoot the one person hard defending me. Scum CONFIRMED me as town today. Factor that in ladies. Means I could be wrong about Marv for one. Means some other stuff too, but I won't spoil the surprise. Anyone would have shot austin as scum. It does not tell us ANYTHING about you. Why do you think it means you could be wrong about marv? On May 11 2014 17:59 marvellosity wrote: This postcount limit shit is so dumb. Not the fact there is one, but the way it's been implemented. So gumshoe the megalurker made a few too many posts at night and now has fewer today? What on earth is the point? It's not like he is constantly breaking the post-limit and needs to be brought into line with a further restriction. If you are town I beg you just play the game today (don't waste posts too much like this, don't go emo). You are definitely still able to solve this game from your position and if you try do that you probably get the added bonus of being shot soon. On May 11 2014 19:35 Palmar wrote: ##vote marvellosity For not getting shot. please make your defense. Seriously? On May 12 2014 00:44 gumshoe wrote: If you, Vayne, were a super blue role, theres no way you would so casually out yourself if you were under the notion that your role was now MORE important than it was before. You assumed day vig was green, which means we can rule out that your day vig, we can also say your not a martyr because that role shows up as green. As for outed blue roles, we saw a pardoner, a parity, a mason and murica. Which means your probably one of the following if your telling the truth, hero, jail keeper, paramedic. If your para or jail, why are you still alive? No one really wants to lynch you (except caller, whose dead) so your a pretty hard mislynch. You also copped to bieng a blue LAST NIGHT. Why was austin shot instead of you? If your a hero trying to bait shots, scum can still nk you no problem. Point is, no matter what, nking you is a safe likely profitable action. Lastly, if your are any of these roles (especially jail or para) why would you call scums attention to yourself? If your hero you LOWER the odds of you getting shot with your blatant advertising. It makes no sense, far more likely your scum with some hidden knowledge that made you think everyone was a day vig. Listen townies, I know I'm a bad sort, I lurked until the very last moment and then posted a wall of text and a ninjaish vote. Problem is I do this as town T_T. If you wanna campaign for a better tl, with players who play to win and respect their fellows, do it in the ban list thread. If you wanna win here and now, vote Vayne, dudes totes scummers. We did not see an outed blue pardoner, mason or murica. Mason was scum and the others didn't flip (who is the one with hidden knowledge here?). The reason why Vayne is not paramedic or jailkeeper is NOT that he is still alive (what an idiotic reasoning - scum doesn't know which blue role he is) but that austin died tonight and martyrs died before. He would have gotten a save already. Killing VA does make sense for scum at some point but he is obviously not threatening to them with his role or in general. Austin was a much better shot. Not saying Vayne is town but your reasoning is crap. You do this as town? WHY? Do you take pleasure in annoying everyone else on your team? In making them lose? Great. I really hope you are scum. ##Vote: gumshoe | ||
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On May 11 2014 07:41 Tehpoofter wrote: I think the lynch tomorrow is Gum/Marv order is irrelevant that was scum purposedly not wanting a lynch through on two buddies I imagine. Palmer fucking off and voting Ace and not consolidating is really really sketchy he is out of the town. WoS got moved out of town for not voting on Marv yesterday although he was on gumshoe if I was partners with Marv I'd move on gumshoe too and try to protect him and I believe that Marv and gum are scum 80% of the time +. Town: Tehpoofter Slam Austin Jat VE Questions: WoS Palmer VA Mafia: Marv Gum Ace So, first of all your scumteam makes no sense. Marv is most definitely not scum with Ace. He bullied me really hard to shoot Ace so as long as he wasn't 100 % convinced I am fakeclaiming this means they are not on the same scumteam. He wouldn't even get any towncred for it due to the noflip. Why is WoS scummy for not voting marv? Why am I NOT scummy for doing the same? This isn't the first time someone is complaining about how hard it was to get marv lynched but be honest here - does that mean he is more likely scum when the people who refused to lynch him were basically WoS, austin and me? 2 of those are in your townlist one in unknown. I have the horrible feeling gumshoe might be town and literally the worst player imaginable. If that is the case we are totally fucked (thanks gumshoe!) so I am wondering if this is not the perfect time to lynch him regardless for policy reasons. Hm... Gumshoe, if you are town you better go into try hard mode today and posting some weak shit about Vayne is NOT try hard mode. I want your reads about every other player in the game WITH reasoning. As I said before I will just assume that Wave is town for the rest of the game. If he is scum and pulled that conceding shit etc. then I hope he is proud about winning this way. If he is town and annoyed that is perfectly understandable. WoS, please don't just vote gumshoe and peace out. At least try to win this game with me. I will go over all the lynches again later and see if I find something. | ||
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On May 12 2014 02:26 gumshoe wrote: caller= murica Palmer= pardoner mason = blazing I highly doubt wed have scum/blue doubles of these roles 0_0 Vayne claims hes hero, which makes no sense, why would he be so obvious about it? What he did is probally the worst way to bait a shot -_-. But I get that your so busy confirming your bias against me that you cant see that. Look at the guys filter, he wants to look like hes trying, but he never backs up his reads makes one liners galore. sigh Yes, caller = murica Palmer = pardoner mason = blazing so what? Blazing flipped scum. Caller and Palmar did NOT flip. How do you know they aren't scum? VA could very well be scum. If you take a look in my filter you will see that I certainly don't discount the possibility. But this is about you and what you are saying does not add up. Do you think VA is not a role at all? If he is hero it wouldn't be any more beneficial for him to be obvious as if he was town. What is the point of softing blue as scum? Doesn't it just make him look suspicious if he doesn't get shot repeatedly? You need to give reads on EVERYONE now. GO! | ||
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On May 12 2014 04:10 marvellosity wrote: so yeah. I'm not going to vote gumshoe. Still think there's a pretty decent chance he is town (less sure than yesterday but whatevs) and if town really wants to lynch him they don't need me to do it Ace->Poofter->VE in that order I guess. I still think VE could be mafia, his response to my case was terrible, the fact he characterises my continued push on him as "proving" that I am mafia is terrible - he knows this is quite how I go about things, and it most certainly doesn't prove I'm mafia. Just awful really. But literally all of town is telling me he probably aint mafia, so I have to accept I might be wrong. Sad times. Poofter's rationale and comments on me throughout the game have really been atrocious. Dunno why he doesn't take 2 minutes to go look at prplhz's scumgames himself as he keeps asking people. I don't know how he can genuinely believe with any certainty I am mafia, and jat took apart the Ace-marv theory quite nicely - seems to suggest that he's not really thinking about the game properly. Ace cos Ace. And what I said about him before. And confirmed town hero Slam thinks he is mafia. Confirmed. Scum town hero confirmed mafia Ace die. ##Vote: Ace That's more like it. If we ignore gumshoe for a second I think my prefered lynch order would also be Ace->Poofter at least. | ||
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On May 12 2014 04:20 marvellosity wrote: Actually there's the opportunity to form an unholy alliance of people who actually want to win the game, a la marv-JAT-Wave-Slam type thing (fingers crossed this list is town of course), but I can't stop you policying your way through the day and I don't particularly fancy trying to argue with you about it. I might just be down to this. I would much rather lose to one of this list who really tries if I have to lose at all. Gumshoe doesn't need me pushing him right now. There is enough pressure. ##Unvote ##Vote: Ace | ||
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On May 12 2014 04:34 marvellosity wrote: About tehpoofter. poof when I came in thought my posts looked pretty townie, he said so himself, and he was clearly interested in my VE case. So a few days ago he had ace/prplhz/VE as mafia, I come in with a case on VE. The only thing VE really does is lazily omgus me instead of making any effort. Magically it ends up turning into: prplhz(marv) + Ace still mafia (even though I started pushing Ace quite hard) and VE has magically become town because I started pushing him Even though in quote #1 we are all mafia together. So by virtue of one mafia pushing another, one mafia becomes town and the other remains mafia bussing his other mafiabuddy I don't see how poof moves VE from mafia to town just because VE omguses me, when poof thought VE was mafia before and poof was interested in my push on VE (although wiffle waffling about it). This VE evolution is so nonsensical Hm... what makes me suspicious is rather how he had Ace as his scumread all the time but never actually tried to lynch him. Like he is in this list with you and gumshoe but he wants to lynch one of the other 2 and when I tried to make a switch to Ace happen he did not follow while he DID follow on gumshoe. | ||
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On May 10 2014 09:33 Tehpoofter wrote: If Marv flips scum I'd say almost 80% chance one of those is actually mafia probably Ace. I do that shit all the time as scum. Like make a frustrated post when you're going down to try to WiFOM a partner. I don't think this comes from a townie perspective. @WoS/Austin Why is lurkshoe better than Marv today? I mean in my head its something the mod will take care of for us. Unlike Ace and Caller who are still question marks I think good shot JAT Gumshoe might just get replaced or mod killed. Seems like a waste of a lynch. Scum:Hopefulyl Caller/Ace/VA/gum (maybe he will get mod killed?) Procedes to not vote Ace when possible but does vote gumshoe BEFORE he returned. Hmmmmmm... Saving posts for a while now. | ||
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On May 12 2014 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Unvote Vote: Ace You are sheeping your scumread marv right now. Why? Marv and Ace are almost certainly not scum together. | ||
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On May 12 2014 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you not hear the part about me being wrong about marv? And I'm not sleeping anyone. I have my own reasons for wanting to lynch Ace. Mostly YOLO, but there are other reasons. That's nice and all but where are those reasons? What point is there in holding them back? All you have done this game is screaming "I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM SO TOWN CONFIRMED TOWN WHAT YOU SCUMREAD ME? YOU SCUM! I AM TOWN!" and next to nothing else. The only reason I am hesitant on scumreading you is that austin and Foolishness townread you for reasons that I can't check myself. On May 12 2014 07:07 Ace wrote: ##donate 10 posts to marv So, do you want to say anything? No? @Marv: Let's say I have this urge to lynch Poofter right now since our little discussion. How would you convince me that we should lynch Ace first? | ||
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On May 12 2014 08:08 Alakaslam wrote: I would flip the table and tell you to answer the question I asked before you asked yours Awesome. But last time I checked you weren't marv. | ||
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On May 12 2014 08:38 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't. I certainly ain't leading this town. I'd like to lynch Ace. I'd also like to lynch poofter. If x,y,z said "let's lynch poofter" I'd say "oki doki" I should probably try to meta him although this blasted postcount limit makes it hard. I was pretty sure he was town in Catastrophe (dunno if you remember, but i was quite anti-lynching him when his name was brought up at the end of day 1) because i knew he was mafia in the ongoing Cell game and his play looked quite different. Unfortunately reduced posting reduces some of that effectiveness, might give it a go tomorrow though. His filter really is very short though. The infirmed prplhz (bless his soul) *still* has 2 more pages than poof does... me no likey. I'm coming around on VE being town, for slight gameplay reasons i can't describe, but mainly because a) if VE is town, I can say I listened to other people and came around on VE like a good, civilised townie b) if VE is mafia after all, I can blame everyone for talking me out of it it's really win win. Hm. Ok, I will have to see if I think that's what townmarv would do. Anyways, since your vote is on Ace and not Poofter I would still like some more reasoning than "he discredited me in that one post" and "Ace cos Ace". There are several days of Aces play to look into besides that. Just one post that tells everyone exactly why Ace is likely scum and should be lynched. That you are giving Poofter reasons so easily and there is almost nothing about Ace makes me feel uneasy. On May 12 2014 08:47 Palmar wrote: If poof is maf we gotta lynch dat mf scumshoe #preflipassociativereads #scumhunt4lyfe ##vote thepoofter You know what'd be great? If any of you damn "vets" would explain what he does/thinks at least once. | ||
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On May 12 2014 09:03 marvellosity wrote: I don't need any more reasoning. If you have a better bet, *you* tell *me*. If you wanna lynch poof over Ace, you go ahead and tell me why Ace should live, and quite possibly I'll run with that. Anyways, my point wasn't that he discredited me, because he does that all day every day as town too, so that's whatever. It was the manner and how, which I hoped I'd got across. ergo a) ace discredits marv b) ace discredits marv while at the same time saying the same stuff marv has said *and* deciding that somehow makes marv the best lynch Also, you aint lazy, go look at prplhz mafiagames, and stop with this bullshit "i need to see if this is what townmarv would do". Who gives a shit what i'd do, look at his blasted scumgames and come back and recognise it is blatantly not prplhz's mafia play. And then come back and realise that when i replaced in i put a shit-tonne of effort into the game (whether my results were correct or not). I am lazy enough not to do that before caring about rereading some stuff that happened this game when I could just read you by your play if you were trying to lead this town... POOFTER, I am only going to repeat myself once: On May 10 2014 09:41 justanothertownie wrote: I agree that gumshoe is not the lynch. I really hope he just gets modkilled. Yeah, marv is running out of posts if I counted it correctly he was 2 posts over his limit before you donated so he should have 1 left now. You can count yourself if you look into his filter (3 posts were made in the night). If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there. Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe? | ||
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On May 13 2014 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course I'm interested but there's not much to say that hasn't been siaid. Either you believe the guy is scum and did what he did just to avoid modkill/fucking his team, or you think he's the worst town player to ever play the game and you either want to policy him for it or you don't. People know my opinions on people who play like this; I rant about it all the time. It is killiing my will to play in this game. So as I said, we're either as a collective letting that behaviour slide (whether scum or town) or we lynch him. If we let it slide, I will at the very least not contribute to the problem my voting where I need to. As is I will liekly sheep marv. I believe I hace made mmy intentions nothing but clear throughout. Sorry if I'm boring you marv. Why don't you do what I will do? Don't lynch gumshoe if you think he is town (you hinted at that earlier) and just WOTC him/don't join a game with him again if he is town in this one. | ||
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On May 13 2014 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Most of it had to do with his bravado while simultaneously doing nothing. He's been on the right side of my alignment the whole game long which frankly is suspicious considering how many people have doubted my alignment. His play feels like he's riding a wave of thread sentiment - not that he's been necessarily doing what everyone else is doing, but rather than he's been saying things that make it seem like he's attempting to alter thread sentiment in one way or another. This is a behavior I expect from a scumAce. That being said, I'm just not sure how to take him not being around to defend himself, or what to think about no one defending Ace at all. :/ Well considering how hard it will be to convince people to not lynch him due to his play the buddy who defends him would look really bad. You have a point with the thread sentiment. I got the feeling that he not only repeated what marv said earlier (marv pointed it out) but also what I said. That was during the period when it seemed like I would shoot him. | ||
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On May 13 2014 07:24 Ace wrote: this game is still going???? I don't know. Is it? | ||
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On May 13 2014 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: One day I'll get a bullet. Anyway gj whoever led that shit. Let me break it down for you. Because I shot Caller and NOT Ace we are in a comfortable position. We can pretty confidently assume that marv and probably also you are town due to the shoot-ace-right-now bullying. HAD I SHOT ACE and we lynched caller that would not be the case for example: If Caller is scum we are still in a good position but can't be sure about marv. If Caller is town we are in a strictly worse position. So shooting Caller is always the better decision as long as that guy doesn't magically starts playing (yeah, I have my doubts). MARV. You will probably die tonight. Leave us a legacy (I know you want poofter dead but maybe some additional reads)! You can relax when you are dead. | ||
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On May 14 2014 08:27 marvellosity wrote: Yes, I'd noticed that as well, but I thought what I said was enough ^_^ I guess VE is probably town. He showed willingness/voted Ace quite early. So yes, we'll go VE town. One other thing somewhat related to the low mafia KP/day vigis stuff: We have strongandbig Alakaslam justanothertownie Oatsmaster tehpoofter With the low amount of mafia KP I would probably guess at a 3-2 split rather than a 4-1 split. Of course I'd never lynch poof for this alone, but when setup thoughts align with thoughts I already have, I guess that's a good sign. It would seem about right for a mafia team with little KP to have an extra couple of shots. Pfffff Might aswell bold slam and make me green in that list! I will go for poofter tomorrow if I am alive. Apart from him I am just afraid of Palmar. Yes, he has been reasonable way too much to be scum one would think but I know he can do that as scum. What was the game he fooled me (obsing) really hard? Titanic III I think. There are some reasons to think Vayne is town so I will definitely look at Palmar before him. Gumshoe is just a pain in the ass and disappeared completely AGAIN. | ||
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On May 14 2014 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Dead game is dead. Ugh. So Slam is a more useful player than marv atm? Hm. Anyway what are the chances we're sitting at 5-3 and MYLO right now as opposed to 6-2? (and actually considering this we may have been at MYLO yesterday too.) You think it is likely that we hit no scum with shots and they started with 5 + traitor? Keep in mind every flipped scum had a role. Also, if that is the case why lynch Ace yesterday instead of no lynching. Or are you saying none of the 3 not-Ace mafia where on the wagon? That would mean it is poofter, Vayne and Palmar. And does it make any difference at all? Would your reads change knowing the actual # of scum? How? Let's say you are scum poofter (lone scummer) or his buddy (not marv). If you shoot marv right now you can basically concede as long as the buddy isn't a strong universal townread. Slam is confirmed town so he is always a good shot. | ||
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On May 15 2014 07:33 VayneAuthority wrote: honestly that ace lynch actually makes me and palmar look better not the other way around. what kind of idiots would we be to try and force the no lynch with zero coordination from our team so 1. it doesnt even happen 2. we now look like complete shit 3. Ace made zero effort to go against his lynch look at the people that voted for ace about halfway through/towards the end of the lynch and voila, mafia. Great analysis Vayne. Would be even greater if you would tell us the NAMES of the people you think are suspicious. SInce you are voting poofter. And poofter was not on Ace. On May 15 2014 09:09 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe everything you write is just terrible. +1 On May 15 2014 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote: And if he ain't marv, we may very well lose so you need to think about it a little more carefully. #Vote: gumshoe If you think so tell us why poofter is town right now. Since you obviously thought about it a little more carefully you must have reasons to assume that. On May 15 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: ##vote tehpoofter I'm confirmed town if he flips mafia as I've been wanting to kill him since the koshi shot. I'm confirmed town if he flips town for voting VA first today and trying to avoid a bad lynch. You are confirmed lazy at most. | ||
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On May 15 2014 10:50 gumshoe wrote: Hey! I played fine that game T_T not my fault you people mislynched me for dumb reasons. Dont twist my entire history as a player just because you really want me to be scum (like you always do and guess what, doesn't really pan out) I mean, you want me to post but any time I do you just twist what I say back on to me. I find poof town for his derpy shot and play and vayne scum for his dispassionate laziness. What the hell is wrong with those reads? What do you want, a 20 page essay on every single game Vayne has ever played? For what? So all the scum and town who want me dead can yell at me until I go away? I asked you to work with me and you basically told me to fuck off. Then everyone spouts shit about how I'm getting wisdomd of the crowds every game after this and you expect my shitty disinterested play to improve after all that? Sigh, worst part is, you being so utterly consistently wrong about me is what tells me your town T_T so I cant even push you back. Honestly I'm just here to see Vayne flip red. Hes the only person in this game that i pretty much know is scum. Of course your not even going to consider that purely on the basis that I'm the one talking about it, thats bias bro, your biased, stop being biased. If you have been mislynched day1 you haven't played well at all. If everyone just spouts that you will be WOTCed then maybe there is a reason for that? Maybe it's not that you are right and everyone else is wrong, hm? If you don't want to lynch poofter you will have to come up with something better than "the shot makes him look suspicious". I wish I still had my shot... | ||
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On May 16 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Nothing to explain, cause I'm almost certain I already did. They can both be scum and then we win, I just think after looking back at gumshoes previous games he is more likely to flip red than poofter, and I wanted to be sure that marv is sure. So you changed your meta read on gumshoe? Ok, that's fine. Still, if you think he is more likely to flip red than poofter there has to be something redeeming about poofter, no? You had him as scumread for ages and if there is something that suddenly points towards town for you then the time to say so is NOW. | ||
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On May 16 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Uh oh boys. Were in trouble. So first off someone pointed it out before as to why I was absent (they didn't know they were but they were) I was salty as fuck about being a donkey and losing to Hf/Kosh with my first mishammer on forum in another game So basically I said fuck it and haven't even looked at this page in days. Caught up now and seeing that we're about to lynch a town so this sucks/exciting I've never been mislynched on forums yet and don't plan on it. I hope people are alive to get an actual lynch though. So I'm going to spend 1 maybe 2 posts on defending myself before trying to figure out who the actual mafia is. First I'm town vigi and I shot Koshi which seems to be the biggest thing people are hung up on me for. So if you all remember the first actual day of this game I was out of town and wasn't here at all for the game and almost got replaced I just happened to log on right after I got home and stopped myself from getting replaced and the post that was up at the time was who had been lynched. I looked at the wagons and the vote count before even reading a single other word of the game. So I had a unique view of day 1 knowing what was going to happen. So reading through I became VERY suspicious of anyone who was pushing for the SnB lynch at the end of the day I made a large post where I FoS Koshi, Foolish (two main wagon leaders of the push) Oats (the opposing wagon) Slam (slam made that rando shot on yamato):+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:48 Tehpoofter wrote: So this game started good to know. Been catching up all day. So I'm going to say I came into reading the thread during the night knowing S&B's alignment I didn't read a word before looking at the day post. Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" So that was the main thing I felt people found scummy about me I will look over other points of if you guys have questions please ask. Other evidence I'm town aside from the fact that I've been trying to figure out the game, talk with everyone, ask questions and find scum. IF you look at my posts they're almost all about who I think is scummy or townie. Also when I was rereading prphlz (before I got salty) I realized his night post where he broke down the votes that went onto Oats I was the one that pushed Oats to majority meaning as we now know Oats as scum was not able to shoot as he had majority so if he saw the wagon swinging I basically saved a town from getting shot. I really don't want to waste anymore time looking at myself and want to actually play and find the last mafia. I will however take questions of course but the case on me is basically the shot and I think my thought process was pretty good (maybe flawed conclusion) but from my perspective I felt the shot was good. 1st post. Ok. The more important part - as you obviously realize - is who you think the remaining scum are and why. If you are town you are in a unique position right now. | ||
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But as you said poofter didn't address the real problems here. It is not the shot on koshi. Banks. Look at marvs accusation, look at what we discussed recently. A main point for me is your behaviour towards Ace. You listed him as scumread but never pushed him. You did not vote him despite me pushing him 2 days ago but you DID vote gumshoe who had not returned prior to that. People who list mafia as secondary scumreads are very often mafia themselves. | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:57 Tehpoofter wrote: I understand JAT and part of it is reputation for me. I honestly thought that ACE would be better at mafia than he was. Like he wrote that manafesto. I was expecting if Ace was mafia some sort of big play or like at least more than just lurk until you get lynched mafia. So I did think he was scum but in my head I'm thinking "he is too good for this right?" Also the only day where I didn't want to lynch him was the day we NL and thats because I was tunnelling hard on Marv. I was behind VE and thought they were unlikely together. I was however that day saying he would be a good shot along with CAller.... Meh, the other guy who repeated what I said was scum... I am torn on this. I want to believe you and tbh there are some things that point slightly towards town here (the timing of your vote on oats for example) but I also know that you are good at defending yourself from lynches. Palmar and Vayne both on your wagon doesn't feel good though. Hm... | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:17 gumshoe wrote: Eh, I'm still staying on Vayne, not voting for someone I'm pretty sure is town, even to save myself cause honestly, I'm pretty done with this game and I feel in mah gut poof is town. You are done with this game before you even start playing? Impressive. | ||
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On May 16 2014 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Also this now becomes particularly interesting. I also wonder if the presence of another scum vig who didn't shoot makes Poofter look a little better.... Next day is going to be really difficult. Yeah, Poofter and VE looking very good with that. Vayne not so much. | ||
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On May 16 2014 12:57 VayneAuthority wrote: how exactly does it make me look bad JAT? You are joking, right? You were the guy that did not consolidate on gumshoe -> nolynch. Poofter and VE both hopped on the wagon. | ||
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On May 17 2014 17:55 Palmar wrote: ok I claim to have used our factional kp on marv last night. any counterclaims? medic claims? otherwise marv is immortal and thus scum. Factional KP, eh? Is there any imaginable situation where it could make sense for scum to hold their shot? Probably not? | ||
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On May 18 2014 04:08 marvellosity wrote: VE, you're pretty dumb sometimes. I don't think what he said is dumb. The only person that has at least a little reason not to shoot as scum would be you. But like VE I won't go down that path. And I don't think anyone is confirmed not mafia just because there was no kill. Maybe a little more reason to look at poofter but that's all. | ||
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On May 18 2014 05:22 marvellosity wrote: It would make you all dumb, which isn't unlikely. Hypothetically I'd be trying to out a medic who almost certainly doesn't exist? Lol It's not the medic outing crap it's rather that it would be weird if anyone else would be shot. Anyways why don't we stop this discussion as it clearly isn't relevant right now?! | ||
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On May 18 2014 06:05 marvellosity wrote: no-one's stopping you talking about anything else, dearest <3 A shocking revelation... | ||
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On May 18 2014 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont really understand the urgency by any means if you actually think it's just me or poofter. we have so many mislynches but I don't want it to be me lol. As you said if poofter flips town im honestly not sure where I would go, would have to re-assess the entire game because some one obviously flew under the radar. So you think Palmar is town? The urgency is understandable since we don't know if it's only one left. Could also be 2. We only have one mislynch if that is the case. And that is if they don't have another dayvig left. I don't think there is much we can do as long as the accused people don't contribute a little today. We need the town between Palmar, VA and poofter to actually try. | ||
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On May 18 2014 07:45 marvellosity wrote: meh, we have 7 cycles of information now, we should be able to decide... i mean obviously poofter is gonna create more content than VA whether poof is town VA is mafia or poof is mafia and VA is town, that's just the way things are. i mean i've commented quite a lot on what poofter has given us (e.g. the Palmar reach, the marv/gumshoe avoiding the lynch difference, etc) and very few people (practically none) have actually commented on the things i've said about it. there's no excuse for anyone to do that, it's poor. that includes you jat. i've kinda vascillated back to poof now, given my post above, and just wanting to see if i was right after all :x I read it and there is nothing that I really disagree with. I would have spoken up otherwise. But I am also not sold on who is mafia. For me all 3 of them are still in the running. | ||
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On May 18 2014 08:56 marvellosity wrote: must have been that other dude's case on Ace and that other dude that everyone followed on to gum. my bad. Well, I for one didn't vote Ace because of your "case" on him. ^_^ It is amusing how WoS is able to provoke you with this stuff. I am totally undecided who to lynch first tbh. I have reasons for all 3 of them to be town and I have reasons for all of them to be scum. Meh. Will reread some things tomorrow. | ||
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On May 18 2014 08:59 WaveofShadow wrote: See ego from you makes me feel better already. If it isn't poofter or VA, who is it most likely to be and why? Palmar. | ||
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On May 19 2014 02:52 VisceraEyes wrote: How do I know that? What makes you so sure that I'm sure? I think you're way more likely mafia than poofter. Like, a million trillion times more likely. Would you mind going into a little more detail here if you are feeling so strongly about it? | ||
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On May 19 2014 06:17 Tehpoofter wrote: What do you feel about VA? I really want to understand Marv's read of Palmer but I don't so I'm okay with going on either Palmer or VA today. @JaT Which is your preference out of Palmer/Va/Me? Do you have the same feeling of "auto" as I'm getting? @Palmer Say you knew I was town who is the mafia left? I have been doing some filter-research for a while now. Working on it. | ||
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##Vote: Tehpoofter The problem is that I have trouble seeing him in a team right now. Who is his buddy if there are 2? VE? Hmm... Other things pointing towards town are his oats vote day2 and that he actually shot early in the game while the 2 confirmed scum dayvigs both tried to hold their shot as long as possible. Apart from that large parts of his filter reek of TMI. Like how he threats oats as confirmed mafia before he flips. How he defends Foolishness. How he goes after Ace for a long time but just when there are other people entertaining that idea he changes his read. There is a weird switch on prplhz who he thought was town early in the game. And finally he wanted to lynch VA/Palmar over gumshoe. | ||
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I didn't check what you said yet WoS but keep in mind that the vote counts in this game don't always show the correct order of events. Also the scum:town dayvig ratio is now 3:3. Does that say anything about our claimed hero? | ||
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On May 12 2014 04:20 marvellosity wrote: Actually there's the opportunity to form an unholy alliance of people who actually want to win the game, a la marv-JAT-Wave-Slam type thing (fingers crossed this list is town of course), but I can't stop you policying your way through the day and I don't particularly fancy trying to argue with you about it. Alliance of win! | ||
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BH had godly scumreads somehow. Koshi sucked this game ^^ I voted for scum every single day except for the Foolishness mislynch. | ||
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On May 22 2014 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: How so? He had Oats and then he tried to get gumshoe lynched who had literally done nothing in the game at all. The only parts of my play I truly regret this game are the unnecessary negativity and voting SnB just to get a lynch. I don't feel too bad about Foolishness because he could have done more at the time and I was already getting ready to waffle. He guessed 3/3 scum correctly night 1 and got recruited afaik. Yeah, Foolishness lynch is mainly his own fault. | ||
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ALTHOUGH he was suspicious of me. Noone in this game was ever suspicious of me after day1. And correctly so. I was so clearly town it doesn't get any more obvious. | ||
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On May 23 2014 00:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Why was prplhz replaced so late? I always was under the impression that replacements and should be done ASAP if needed otherwise they "ruin" the game. I didn't follow the game, but day 6 seems extremely late and marv seems to have done a lot of good for the town, so...Idk what I'm saying now. I'm just really curious as to the reasoning for a day 6 replacement as opposed to a modkill, since I've seen people take issue with late replacements. I even pmed Hapa that I would be mad if I was scum when that happened. ^_^ The problem was that prplhz got tempbanned. | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:04 Koshi wrote: Why are 5 mafia not logical with 2 NK? Good question. Especially since we knew nothing about how KP worked. It could be reduced when the # of mafia was reduced. | ||
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On May 23 2014 07:49 Ver wrote: I felt I had ironclad reasons why everyone else remaining in the game besides gumshoe you and prplhz were town. Though after talking to Hapa later on if I had looked closely at Gumshoe there probably wouldn't have been any doubt. I didn't mean for the methods section to be taken as a personal attack, I just worded it strongly to provoke people and make them think. There obviously are many different ways of thinking; Sandro for example approaches things very different from I do yet it works very well. If you guys feel what you do brings results, then by all means continue and refine it. Just be sure what you do doesn't screw over other townies in the process. Noted. I guess the last part was at least partly directed at my foolishness tunnel and I will fully admit that I was not only wrong about him but also probably prevented him from playing the game the way he should be. I won't change my style - I had success with it and I disagree that my questions are useless spam. But I think there is much to learn from your method of scumhunting especially concerning the disconnect between what people say and what they do. Your analysis is very helpful in that regard. | ||
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On May 23 2014 23:59 syllogism wrote: If you know that there is a mason recruiter traitor, town aligned pardoner, town aligned america (and know how the role works), 3 town vigs and 3 mafia vigs, the game solves itself very quickly. True. It also explains his suspicion towards myself because he knew the amount of dayvigs. I did not enjoy the post restriction and won't join another game where this is implemented but I can see the point of it. Smaller threads are nice but I am too limited in my own play if there is a post restriction. | ||
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On May 24 2014 02:09 marvellosity wrote: if what it meant to accomplish was "stopping people talking about game-related stuff on multiple occasions" then yes, it did Indeed. I don't enjoy always having to count how many posts I already made before posting something. And not being able to post when something important is going on is just annoying and detrimental to the game. Even if you aren't a spammer 25 posts is a way too harsh limit. Edit: And 5 Posts per night is just ridiculous. Might aswell do silent nights then. | ||
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