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And how many of the 13 are mafia? 3? | ||
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On April 10 2014 03:16 Promethelax wrote: As I said to sqrt last game, forum mafia and irl/video mafia are very different games. This. | ||
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Hopefully I don't get medic this time. | ||
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On April 16 2014 07:28 Amiko wrote: Sorry :c I have to /out I will hopefully be able to /in again if things are a little less busy next week! noooooooooooooo sad face | ||
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Or at least before we start. | ||
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On April 26 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote: I am sorry to have disappointed all my fans. Sudoku is my only option. You edited your post too. That makes it worse. | ||
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##Vote: Cavalinho | ||
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Amiko didn't read the rules! Obv Mafia play. And Eden went along with him. Amiko + Eden scum team confirmed. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Amiko | ||
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Except you voted yourself, which is against the rules. Obv scum play. You are mafia. | ||
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Remember how OK was maf, and he wanted to start real discussion early? Eden looks even more mafia than before. | ||
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I went 4-3 in my rogue arena this time, so not as good as last time. | ||
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You are good at starcraft, but I liked BoxeR better. | ||
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I hail from Canada. This is my 3rd game on TL mafia, and I was vanilla town first game, in which tambo also played, and I was doctor second game, in which eden also played. I played horrible the second game. I've played quite a fair bit of irl mafia. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:12 mtamburini wrote: Ill do my best not to mis hammer this game. :-( To be fair, you did pretty well. I would have killed mirks tho. | ||
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He's coaching this one, so he's in all of my games. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:24 Amiko wrote: No one seems too much to be like an enemy of the people just yet. But, I have some questions to feel people out! @mtamburini: What do you think are the qualities of a good leader in mafia? @sqrt: When you said "last time" what were you referring to? (usually I can't remember anything like this, but I am pretty sure I know) When did I say this? | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote: I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking. It's pretty much the same game. | ||
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I apologize for getting your name wrong Amiko. | ||
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Haha, yes! | ||
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After a brief read-through of the whole thread, this is what I've come up with. I've cleared bunnies, epishade, eden, yellow. Amiko came in, but left abruptly. He's more active in the other games. Possible scum. Tambo scum read, but stronger than amiko. Meat possibly town, he didn't talk much, but I think I'll chalk that up to first game. Rit & drav haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Dfs seems maf because of a little thing - he calls everybody scum until cleared, which is contradictory since he calls some people towny beforehand. Ash and frost haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. | ||
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@dfs, This post, his first post, makes me think that he's mafia. On April 29 2014 16:11 dfs wrote: Everybody is on my scum list untill proven otherwise, the day is still young. Everyone is mafia, according to him, until proven otherwise. This is the small point that made me suspicious. Generally, you think people are town until proven mafia. I've cleared yellow as town, but at the bottom of the scale. Why? It's because I have greater suspicions on other people, and those other people are pushing yellow. Eden was cleared because he's been asking good questions. He's a bit more low tone than last game, so I think I need to keep an I on him. | ||
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He has townread on yellow, which I agree with. He's been contributing, which is enough for me. | ||
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On April 30 2014 02:39 Yell0w wrote: And about the whole "why do I think bunnies is town" situation, it's just because Occam's razor, she might be mafia, and made a good play to make us think she's town, it's a possibility, but it's unlikely. But there is a red flag next to her name in my head. And I was never really suspicious of her, I kind of implied she might be mafia, it was mostly just to see her reaction to that, she pretty much just ignored it so I don't think I got anything from that, but overall I believe her, for now. Mostly because she kept pushing even though nobody seemed to really agree with her, it took a little bit before she unvoted me. And about Epishade, I think it's just because he was the first to defend me, which would make no sense as a mafia play, why wouldn't he just jump on the BW of an easy lynch? The possibility raised by dravernor that they're both mafia and made this plot so both of them would look town is, I think, unlikely, because, again, Occam's razor. But I'm not sure on either of them, it's just the most likely scenario is that they're both town, by a pretty wide margin, I think. And about Eden, I was asked, though I was planning on talking about it a little bit anyways, he was actually the person I thought was the most suspicious last night, I just don't think his behavior made sense. I didn't have time to analyse it fully though and I will probably talk about it some more, but I am glad someone brought it up. I like this post. I really do. | ||
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I want to know what others think. | ||
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People who haven't talked need to talk some more. I especially want Eden's reads. He's talking a lot less than the last game. I want to know what he's thinking. | ||
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I'm active for the next hour and half, let's talk. | ||
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What are your reads, what are you thinking? | ||
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On April 30 2014 04:25 Yell0w wrote: Also, unrelated, but that is actually something I wanted to talk about and forgot, I do think it's really important to act town if you're town, so other townies know you're town too, if no one believes you're town, they won't listen to you, won't lynch with you, it can lead to a mafia win just because the townies weren't being obvious townies so nobody trusted anybody. This. I can confirm from prior experience that if you're town, act like town. | ||
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On April 30 2014 04:44 ahswtini wrote: Sorry I didn't catch this post. My thoughts on sweetfrost are completely on the fence. They've pretty much been gunning for yellow all game, which is justifiable in a way. I posted my position on yellow a few posts ago, but basically, I don't like the joking or sarcasm because it causes confusion and is really something town could do without. The fact that he(she?) found this proves that ahs reread the thread. That shows introspection. Which gives me a slight town read on him/her. | ||
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On April 30 2014 04:52 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, sqrt, seeing as you want to get conversation going, I'm going to address you here. I hve read through your filter, and I see you haven't contributed much the first pages. Then you come back, say you are going to dig a bit deeper, and these are the reads you give. I want to talk about a few of them. One: Why have you cleared yellow? You have stated you don't THINK he is mafia, and a few reasons why, but why is he absolutely cleared? You also claimed you liked what yell0w wrote in one of his posts. But that's all you said. What about Yell0w post did you specifically like? I see you have cleared amiko for talking more, but what about Amiko's reads do you like? Also, specifically what do you think about the pointing out of the interaction between me, Eden and Epishade? Why is tamburini a stronger scum read than Amiko? Yellow is cleared for the reason I stated earlier. On April 30 2014 02:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I've cleared yellow as town, but at the bottom of the scale. Why? It's because I have greater suspicions on other people, and those other people are pushing yellow. I liked yellow's post here: On April 30 2014 02:39 Yell0w wrote: And about the whole "why do I think bunnies is town" situation, it's just because Occam's razor, she might be mafia, and made a good play to make us think she's town, it's a possibility, but it's unlikely. But there is a red flag next to her name in my head. And I was never really suspicious of her, I kind of implied she might be mafia, it was mostly just to see her reaction to that, she pretty much just ignored it so I don't think I got anything from that, but overall I believe her, for now. Mostly because she kept pushing even though nobody seemed to really agree with her, it took a little bit before she unvoted me. And about Epishade, I think it's just because he was the first to defend me, which would make no sense as a mafia play, why wouldn't he just jump on the BW of an easy lynch? The possibility raised by dravernor that they're both mafia and made this plot so both of them would look town is, I think, unlikely, because, again, Occam's razor. But I'm not sure on either of them, it's just the most likely scenario is that they're both town, by a pretty wide margin, I think. And about Eden, I was asked, though I was planning on talking about it a little bit anyways, he was actually the person I thought was the most suspicious last night, I just don't think his behavior made sense. I didn't have time to analyse it fully though and I will probably talk about it some more, but I am glad someone brought it up. I liked how he thought about Epishade and you. You two are pushing him. You might be both mafia. If one of you flips mafia, it would imply that the other one is also mafia, as you two are the ones pushing him the most. But I've cleared both of you. He cleared both of you in this post, for the simple reason that you guys can't be mafia together because it would be too obvious. I liked how he thought of this. I liked the fact that Amiko made reads. It made me think he's trying to figure this out, so I cleared him for it. Eden hasn't been interacting much, but you and epishade are kind of in the same boat. Possible masons? Not sure. I think both town. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: @Sqrt, and your thoughts on tamburini? {Possibly mafia. He pushed yellow first. His whole case against yellow is just strange. I don't like him. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote: why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on. Exactly. Early on. Now, he's not. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote: sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. It's a stylistic thing. Look at my other games. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:34 ritoky wrote: you don't think that there is even a possibility that epishade bailed from the sinking ship that is a mafia partner going down in flames? I am not saying it is a likelihood, but the fact that you don't even have that in your mind as a possibility concerns me. It's pretty darn unlikely. But possible. I'm willing to bet that it's not them. | ||
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9 posts so far. First post, he wants to lynch Yellow for joke posts. Second post, he says he doesn't suspect tambo as much b/c he put himself in the spotlight, and he thinks bunny is the most town. Third post, he says that we don't know how many mafia there are. Forth post, he turns against tambo, asks him questions. Fifth post, On April 30 2014 04:32 ahswtini wrote: I'm going to agree with this, wanting to make a conscious effort to appear town is also indicative of a new town player who lacks confidence. So far, I've been struggling because I want to make posts to avoid getting fos'd as an inactive, but at the same time I don't want to be rehashing existing ideas. is really just saying that he doesn't want to get killed even though he hasn't been posting much. Sixth post, he indulges Amiko's request of his thoughts on Sweetfrost. Seventh post, On April 30 2014 18:32 ahswtini wrote: This is a great post. I have nothing insightful of my own to add to the analysis there. However, out of the three, I think mtamburini is the best lynch here. ritoky and sweetfrost's posts are better in that they talk about many different people, whereas mtamburini seems to be gunning straight for yell0w. Therefore it'll be handier to keep ritoky and sweetfrost around for longer as we can get more information out of them provided they continue their way of posting. ##Vote: mtamburini he just says he likes the post by epishade, and then wants to lynch tambo. His most recent post is simply a collection of what's been going on. Think about it, he hasn't been doing anything really, just saying that he likes this, or saying that he agrees with that. His largest post is a collection of what's been going on. I asked for his reads once, he never said anything about them. He's not useful. He's lurking. I'm pretty darn sure he's mafia, and if he's not, we will have lynched a townie that hasn't been contributing. ##Vote: ahswtini | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:37 Eden1892 wrote: - Even if he's not roleblocked, we have no way of knowing he's not the serial killer. In fact, his specific suggestion that the parity cop check him tonight and someone else n2 would fit perfectly with a serial killer planning to pick investigation immunity tonight. No, serial killer must choose before d1 starts. | ||
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However, what if he is vigi? We lose a huge asset. For mafia, who would be the logical n1 kill? The vigi claim. That's obvious. Whether or not he's serial killer doesn't matter to them, mafia's not gonna take that chance. Mafia will kill him n1. I say we let him be. I say we take the chance and believe him. | ||
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As town, I'm more concerned about mafia, which are guaranteed to be in the setup, rather than the serial killer. After a bit of mulligan, I've noticed something. Eden is mafia. He has been talking quite a bit less than the other game. He pushes yellow first. Then he gets out the serial killer case on tambo. Before this, he was pretty much sure that yellow was mafia. It doesn't make sense to go after serial killer if you're town, and you have a mafia suspect, because what if tambo was telling the truth? From a townie's perspective, he should have stuck with the yellow lynch, rather than potentially killing vigi. He changed his vote to tambo because he believes the vigi claim. He's afraid of leaving the vigi alive. That means, that if eden is mafia, there's definitely no roleblocker. Yes, it is possible that tambo is serial killer. However, Eden's actions following tambo's roleclaim is a dead giveaway of his alignment. Eden is mafia. | ||
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Not tambo for obvious reasons. Not yellow, either. Otherwise, he hasn't interacted much with others. (another reason why he's mafia) Hm.... I can't see who else mafia could be, working from the perspective that Eden is proved mafia. However, I do have my reads. From my reads, however, ahswtini is mafia. I can see ahswtini + eden as scum team. | ||
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Good night. | ||
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I've explained my reasoning on both of them. Eden is more contributing than ahs. However, looking at the time remaining, I don't think I'll get enough votes on any of these guys. Therefore, I'm switching to sweetfrost also, because the general consensus is that he's mafia. ##Vote Sweetfrost | ||
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I'm just saying, Sweetfrost is not my most optimal lynch. | ||
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On May 02 2014 03:47 ahswtini wrote: I just want to reiterate my suspicions of MysteryMeat1. Yes he's banned and can't defend himself. Yes he's said that he doesn't have much to say on day one and will be more active after the first night of kills. People seem to be letting his useless posts slide, yet I'm getting fingers pointed at me. I can see the case for sweetfrost, I have nothing of my own to add to that and so I don't want to just jump onto that vote. The votes ARE really dangerously spread out and it would be easy for the Mafia team to stack onto someone innocent to kill them. That said, if we forced their hand to vote in such a way, it could also make it easier to narrow down the list of suspects. I like this. Even when he's under suspicion, he's talking about his suspicions. Although I disagree with lynching Meat, the fact that he's saying this seems townie. | ||
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On May 02 2014 04:22 Eden1892 wrote: How? He said outright a couple posts up that he found no one suspicious and he's settling on a guy who's literally unable to defend himself at all due to a ban. How is that setting off your townie alarm? Well, think of it this way. He reminds me of cavalinho a couple of newbie mini mafia games ago. The one where he got lynched day 1? Not the one we were in, but the one he was in before that. Cav, in that game, was under pressure, but he stuck to his suspicions even though they weren't the suspicions of the majority of the others. Ahs reminded me of cav, that's why I liked that post. | ||
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You keep on saying there are better targets. Care to explain the targets that aren't me? | ||
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On May 02 2014 04:43 Amiko wrote: Back in thread, writing a few comments up @sqrt: I think his post just above yours is relatively straightforward about his other targets (mtamburini / yell0w / sweetfrost) I just explained my request further. | ||
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Well, it was a silly read, now that I look back into it. Epishade brought up mysterymeat near the beginning of the game, even thought mystermeat didn't talk yet. I thought they were masons. His first serious comment was directed to epishade too. | ||
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On May 02 2014 04:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: I honestly don't think that tamburini should out his shot. Why not? He should, at the very least, right before the end of N1. | ||
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No N1 flavour? awww.... | ||
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What I don't like is that the votes were all scattered about. Shows an indecisive town without a leader. | ||
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Now, someone should do a vote analysis. Or anything really, I want to talk. | ||
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On May 02 2014 08:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so he was town, but luckily just town and not a role. Which means we have two roles still alive (and this is what I am stating as a possibility). I feel bad about voting him off, but then again, he had done nothing to try and sway our votes off of him. Even as just a vt, you'd think he's fight to the death (I know I would). Tamburini, I suggest to you that you claim your night kill closer towards the end of the night, that way mafia can't blitz at last second if they do not have a role blocker. Also, I'm going to reread Sweet's filter to find anything that stands out, and anyone who had addressed him. I hope I'll have something substantial to give to town after I read. How do you know we have 2 roles still alive? | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote: Right, then, time to get to work. ##VOTE: Sweetfrost He hadn't even posted when this happened. Bunnies questions it, and eden explains it. After a bit, Amiko asks ahs the following: On April 30 2014 02:27 Amiko wrote: @ashwtini: -snip- - Any thoughts on sweetfrost at this point in the game? Epishade's read on sweetfrost: On April 30 2014 03:32 Epishade wrote: Ok guys, I'm back for a bit before I need to get to class. I'll give some thoughts on current situation. Sweetfrost: 5 minutes after Dfs brings up that Sqrt clears Yellow as town, Sweetfrost restates what Dfs says without adding anything new from his own opinion. He does give his opinion on Bunny though by saying that he thinks Bunny is acting too hard as town and thinks it is making her look like a Scum trying to get town support. I disagree with this as I feel that Bunny was trying to get information. He also mentions her defending him when he got random voted by Eden as a possible support for his idea that Bunny was trying to gather town support, but I disagree with this too, as she didn't really defend him. This is all that she said: I don't see that as defending him at all. Eden casted his vote on Sweetfrost only because he hasn't spoken yet because he was in a different timezone. The vote didn't really mean anything, but Sweetfrost seemed to think he was defended by Bunny from the vote, or at least wanted people to think that was what happened. He also agrees on lynching Yellow without much provocation. I'm leaning scum on Sweetfrost for now. If Yellow does get lynched and flips scum, Sweetfrost clears town for me. You know what, I'm getting lazy. Epishade brings up point against sweetfrost, bunnies agrees, votes sweetfrost, and then epishade votes sweetfrost. Notice anything funny? It looks to me like epishade was sheeping off of bunnies. Epishade then unvotes him, and then revotes him promptly after, maybe to make it look less suspicious. He then switches to Eden, sheeping off of me, and then back to sweetfrost. From his play, Epishade looked a lot more like town. But from the looks of the votes, Epishade is mafia. | ||
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On April 30 2014 15:29 Epishade wrote: So looking back through again, it seems I have missed something. I hadn't seen the vote count until after posting this but, Sweetfrost actually voted for Sqrt while Tamburini voted for Yellow. That is quite strange to me, but Sweetfrost could have been keeping his vote on Sqrt early, just to switch on Yellow when more people jumped on Yellow so he doesn't look as scummy. His rationale for voting Sqrt was just that he thought either Bunny or Yellow was scum, but not both, so he didn't want to risk it and voted Sqrt. I don't think anybody else has any real fear of Bunny being actual scum right now, and her actions read town to me, so I think Sqrt was covering his tracks through his action here, ready to switch the vote out later when people started calling Yellow scum again. This is after Epishade townreads sweetfrost. | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:27 mtamburini wrote: You guys talk to much im trying to sleep... LOL I thought you were gonna shoot someone during the night? Not much time for sleeping if you're out and trying to find your target? | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:35 Epishade wrote: I think you made a mistake, I didn't townread sweetfrost. I scumread him with my scumteam post, and then I made this post because his vote made little sense to me. It kind of contradicted with what I thought earlier about the scumteam consolidating votes, but then I found reasoning for it (in that he could switch later) and wanted to explain that as an appendage to my scumteam post. Sweetfrost did little to actually defend himself. Lynching him gave us information to move forward. It sucks that he ended up being town, but I don't think voting for him was the "wrong" move given the information we had to work with at the time. As for your claim that I was piggybacking on Bunny's vote on Sweetfrost: I may have been doing that a bit. I generally want to see what other people think about my theories before I try pushing them. Other people may see things that I overlooked. If it turns out that they agree with them, I figure I didn't overlook anything and I'll continue with my theory. It might make me look scummy, but I think it'd look worse withholding this information if someone else found it later - but I did the same thing before with Tamburini. I made my scumteam post, then Meat agreed with me and voted for Tamburini, and then I voted for Tamburini as well. I believe my theories are correct when I come up with them (who wouldn't believe in their own theories?), but I always accept the possibility that I'm probably way off. I judge other people's acceptance of my theories as to how well my theories are and if I should continue with them or not. Even if Bunny didn't end up voting for Sweetfrost though, I still would have. It was a toss-up between Tamburini and Sweetfrost for me, and I felt that Sweetfrost was a better pick between the two. I did switch a lot too. One of those switches was on Eden, but that was only because I thought there could only be 1 potential vigi in the game. Eden cleared that up for me and I admit I read the rules wrong. And, hell, everyone was just arguing for and against Tamburini and Sweetfrost that I didn't know who to pick. Ended up going with Sweetfrost in the end obv, but I didn't make up my mind until a couple hours before the lynch. Yes, I did make a mistake. Sorry. | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:40 Epishade wrote: Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player? Well, generally you just don't. Unless you're me, and you think you're gonna get killed N1, and you're vanilla town, so you have nothing to be afraid of. | ||
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How do you feel about being able to talk at night? Okay, serious question now. If you were vigi, who would you kill, other than yellow? Would it be a kill for information, or would it be a kill in an attempt to catch mafia? | ||
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Thanks. And this has been a Public Services Announcement by an imaginary number. | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:57 Epishade wrote: Very well, I can wait until the next day to make my case if I'm still alive. So you're pretty sure you're not gonna die N1. Is it because you're mafia? | ||
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As for the amount of mafia games, do you mean here on team liquid? This is my third team liquid game, and aside from that, I've only played irl mafia. I've played irl mafia for about 4 years now, I think. | ||
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If you were vigi, it's really unlikely that tambo isn't vigi. So I would shoot him. To see if he's SK, or mafia. | ||
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If I magically had a gun, but not vigi, I would kill ahs or maybe Eden. | ||
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Also, he says in that same post that he didn't read the whole thing before saying that he's vigi. It's fishy. | ||
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On May 03 2014 01:00 Amiko wrote: @sqrt: Can you explain your current reads on Epishade & dravenor? Like I said, I think epishade is town. The first thing that caught my eye is that he read the other newbie games. I like that. That showed that he was willing to take the time to see our playstyles. If he were mafia, there wouldn't be a good reason for him to do that, because he knows who's scum. He's also been contributing a fair amount, that's good. And I made a mistake on my case against him. Drav hasn't been as active. He's a bit more fishy. He initially thinks bunny + epishade scum team, with yellow town. Then he says he reread the whole thread, and then came up with new reads. Bunny goes from scum to top town, epishade stays scum, yellow turns scum. He votes epishade. I'm still on the fence, but he definitely needs to talk more. Definitely. | ||
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In other words, who is the most valuable townie right now? | ||
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I believe the roleblock claim. I don't think tambo is mafia. There's still a possibility that he's SK tho. I still think yellow's town. I have my suspicions still on ahs and eden. Will look through amiko's filter now. | ||
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I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker. | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:51 Eden1892 wrote: This. mtamburini's play continues to make less than no sense to me. Why would a mafsided roleblocker stop mtamburini from killing a town player? To push a mislynch on tambo. | ||
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I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him. I'm gonna push an ahs lynch. ##Vote: ahswtini | ||
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On May 01 2014 08:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think Ahswtini is mafia. 9 posts so far. First post, he wants to lynch Yellow for joke posts. Second post, he says he doesn't suspect tambo as much b/c he put himself in the spotlight, and he thinks bunny is the most town. Third post, he says that we don't know how many mafia there are. Forth post, he turns against tambo, asks him questions. Fifth post, is really just saying that he doesn't want to get killed even though he hasn't been posting much. Sixth post, he indulges Amiko's request of his thoughts on Sweetfrost. Seventh post, he just says he likes the post by epishade, and then wants to lynch tambo. His most recent post is simply a collection of what's been going on. Think about it, he hasn't been doing anything really, just saying that he likes this, or saying that he agrees with that. His largest post is a collection of what's been going on. I asked for his reads once, he never said anything about them. He's not useful. He's lurking. I'm pretty darn sure he's mafia, and if he's not, we will have lynched a townie that hasn't been contributing. ##Vote: ahswtini | ||
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On May 03 2014 08:36 ahswtini wrote: Ok so mtambrini claimed he was blocked in the night, that still doesn't account for a missing kill, assuming there is a SK. So: either the SK or Mafia got roleblocked, or the jailkeeper pulled off a save. It's possible the SK or Mafia withheld their shot (the wording of the SK role implies he can withhold the shot "Once per night you can release a player from the game."). If a town roleblocker did act last night, I would have asked them to come out to us, but the problem is, the jailkeeper could also have been the one blocking the kill. It's not possible to know which one was responsible and we can't ask both of them to come out. And of course there's the increasingly likely possibility that there is no SK in this game. That all aside, I really believe mtamburini is the vig. If he wasn't, the real vig should have shot him last night. Unless the real vig was roleblocked, but I don't see how Mafia would have access to such knowledge. There's no way any jailkeeper with a clue would have locked up mtamburini last night, so he certainly wasn't protected. Him getting roleblocked was to be expected - he's the only "confirmed" blue in the eyes of the Mafia. Then again there may be no vig in the game, and scum mtamburini lucked out with such a fakeclaim. In which case a big fuck you to the host  What if there is no SK? | ||
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On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote: At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing. | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote: #1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at. #1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games) #2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket. #3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched. #4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong. I'm not mafia. | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote: What? You hadn't expressed a strong opinion about Epishade. But you had on Yell0w: Yet if it were 3p LYLO with Yell0w and Epishade you'd lynch Yell0w? Yes, I have. My first reads. Yes, I think I would lynch yellow. | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:33 ritoky wrote: Okay, so let's enter the magical land where you're not in this game anymore. The next person on my list is Epishade, but you think that Epishade is at least higher than yell0w on your town list. I would like you to give me the #1 reason he is above yell0w on your town list AND a reason you're suspicious of Epishade. If you have 0 suspicions of him, I would like to know how that's possible. I townread epishade initially because he had taken the time to look at the other games. What reenforced my townread was that he was contributing. He was doing what a good townie should do. My suspicions of him included the votecount, which I made a mistake on, and that he's sheeping most of the time. | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:43 Eden1892 wrote: Your "first read" which you haven't seriously pushed or discussed since, you'd trust over a more recent read you actively defended against accusations of being scum? When I said "look for people whose actions don't match their words," this is what I mean. I don't buy it. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: sqrtofneg1 You know what I don't buy? I don't buy how you were so active last newbie game, but you're so inactive, in comparison, in this newbie game. I don't buy that. | ||
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On May 03 2014 12:25 ritoky wrote: Okay, but that missed the point a bit. I want to know why those reasons make Epishade higher on your town list than yell0w, to the point where in a final 3 situation you would lynch yell0w. Because in my mind the negative there seems a lot larger than those two positives, which begs the question what about yell0w? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. | ||
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On May 03 2014 12:28 Eden1892 wrote: We've gone over this, career change and finals. I weighed replacing out during D1 but decided to stick to it. If you're just going to keep harping on irrelevant nonsense like my relative activity level, instead of actually making a case, and refuse to address the concerns I've got about you and others have about you, you can go ahead and get lynched now. What concerns have I not addressed? | ||
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On May 03 2014 13:00 Epishade wrote: Amiko asked me before he died (god bless his soul) to deliver my thoughts on Dravernor and Sqrt. I did Sqrt in the post above so I'll talk about what I think about Dravernor. Dravernor started out thinking that me and Bunny were scum early on. I might understand thinking EITHER myself or Bunny was scum, but I think it's weird to pin us both down as suspicious. If anything, I'd say I acted more suspicious than Bunny in that situation because I was defending someone, so it's a little strange he suspected both of us. I feel like he could have been waiting to see what other people thought about the situation so that he might jump on either one of us if people selected one of us to lynch. Then he says he doesn't believe Yellow is scummy for pretty much no reasoning. If Dravernor were scum, I can see how this would be an act of going half-way. He says he believes in Yellow's innocence here but doesn't rule out the "possibility" of lynching him if the tides were to turn against Yellow. So basically, he sets himself up for a potential bus in case things go wrong. He continues in taking the side of Yellow's probable innocence, and still doesn't give much reason for his choice. I could be reading into this too much possibly, and he just didn't really feel like taking a side, but I feel that during a time where most people were talking directly about Yellow and taking sides, it's suspicious that he was reluctant to. He's since moved Bunny to town (which I agree to) and me to scum (for my defensiveness early on). However, his recent thoughts on Yellow have changed quite a bit as well. Here he says he is quite suspicious of Yellow now. It's quite a change, and for reasons I still don't fully understand, but his change from Yellow as probable town (for whatever reason idk) to Yellow as suspicious, at a time when he still could have gone either way based on other people's thoughts on Yellow and not have had people think twice about his decision to do so, leads me to a few choices based on different scenarios. If Yellow flips town, I'd say Dravernor looks a little scummy in this instance, but not enough to convince me of being full-blown mafia. There's still a possibility that he was concerned that Yellow's strange acting and responses made him think Yellow was scummy enough for him to switch his vote convincingly. If Yellow flips scum, Dravernor is clear town. Right now, I'd say Dravernor is neutral for me. Not enough evidence to lynch him. If anything, lynching Yellow would give everybody the most information we'd need right now to move forward, based on whose sides people have taken for and against Yellow. Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information. If someone can convince me to move to a better vote, or something else big happens, I'm not opposed to changing it to someone better. But just for now, ##VOTE: Yell0w Epishade is much more clearly town after this. Assume that I'm town. And that he's mafia. I'm already a bandwagon, it would be easy enough for him to jump on that. But he takes the time to vote yellow. | ||
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On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote: well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know! As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate. As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade. I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong. Wait, you think he's town because he's wrong? I don't get it. | ||
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Sorry I was busy today. I still am. I'm gonna die, not gonna bother defending myself, but here's what I think. I don't even have time to look over today's posts. I'm suspicious of dfs, drav, ahs, and eden mostly. Bunnies needs to be looked at if she doesn't die today. I think epishade, yellow and ritoky are town. Mysterymeat, I have no idea. Tambo, you I think is vigi. GG guys, and win this one for me. I really wanted to win one of my newbie games, but it looks like that's probably not gonna happen. | ||
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On May 17 2014 08:00 Amiko wrote: @sqrt LOL, I died d1 and I still feel exhausted as if I was playing in LYLO. I need an /obs vacation :D You can co-host the next newbie game. (and give me all the answers) XP | ||
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On May 17 2014 09:06 IAmRobik wrote: If anyone of my students wants to post our qt feel free. I yhink the one with bunnies was good and got really intense at the end there lol http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/cRmdWeregpgsY Robik + me. I didn't use it as much tho... | ||
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On May 17 2014 09:32 Epishade wrote: Pshhhht, that's nothin. Take a look at my QT! http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bK4tBvRvCap Best QT ever. | ||
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Eden focusing on tambo/SK. Instant scumread. Dfs's intro post looked strange. This post by drav: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=38#743 Otherwise, they did fairly well. Really great game guys, GG. | ||
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On May 18 2014 00:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: Nah, rob is a good coach! I'm glad he was my coach! Though im more interested in playing a forum game with him. Want to see how his forum game differs from his video play Robik is an excellent town. | ||
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