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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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27ninjabunnies
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[b]Town[/b Amiko- he has presented multiple posts of logic on whom he thinks is scummy and town. I liked his reads on tamburini as town, although I did not agree with them. Amiko seems as if he is trying to figure out the game and find scum. Tamburini- So although I was reading him scummy at the beginning of the game, and him doing nothing to refute that, Im putting him in town because of the claim. As we have no counter claim (which I don't expect to get), our votes should be off of tamburini. I have a feeling that his claim will work itself out during the night. I also wouldnt place him a SK, the logic he presents just doesnt make sense as logic from SK. Ritoky- While This post by ritoky was weird, I am putting him as town. I did not find at all that most people thought sqrt was mafia, though maybe I was reading into people's reads wrong. However, ritoky, minus this read on sqrt, has reads similar to mine, so I believe he is town. ]Mafia Ahswinti- Gave this as a reason to vote tamburini, but basically he is sheeping off of Sweetfrost and Ritoky's reads, one of whom I find majorly scummy. I dont like that he hasnt contributed much to the game or anything, and would lynch him today in a heartbeat. However he did make a nice little summary post here Sweetfrost- I just really really don't like this guy. I mean, he calls both Yell0w and I scummy, then votes on sqrt? You scared brah? Sqrt was a weird and random vote, and I felt his vote could have been placed outside on me and yell0w on someone a lot scummier. Eden Fence Meat - This post by MEat made me laugh. Yes, definitely not tamburini's gf. However, I can see why he would sheep off of me. My reads are usually pretty good. However, I don't believe in the way tamburini is going, and therefore is why I pulled off of yellow. Meat, other than this post, hasnt really done much for me to place him as town or mafia, so he is fenced. Sqrt-ill explain reads on him later. ISh... Epishade- I like epishade's read on Sweet here. It is very weird how Sweet says that both Yell0w and I are scummy, but goes on to vote Sqrt, whom I havent really seen a reason of why we should vote on him. Dfs- I do like his reads he proved on the bottom of page 26, however that seems to be all he has contributed. Will look more into tomorrow Dravenor- Is it sad that I forgot he was in this game? I feel it should be. I also want to point out that here Yell0w claims he is going to be the one shot, even though tamburini didn't out his shot. I know tamburini has been putting pressure on yell0w, but yell0w, what is your reason on this? Do you think there is someone else that tamburini can shoot? Cause I feel that if you are getting lynched today, I'm prewtty sure he has another shot in mind. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
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Epishade
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1. Tamburini is vigi, and we lose a confirmed town, albeit, one that had little chance of surviving after that claim anyways. 2. Tamburini is serial killer, and we don't have a vigi. In this scenario, Tamburini took his risk that town might not have a vigi. Town actually didn't get a vigi because nobody called him out on it. 3. Tamburini is serial killer, and Meat is vigi (lol). Meat can't call him out on it because he's currently banned. I'm laughing just writing this one out. One thing I'm having trouble understanding again is why we WOULD even vote for a potential vigi. I'm having trouble believing that he's anything but vigi when he took a HUGE risk by claiming it. If there were any other vigi's in the game, he'd be called out immediately. I just can't see that being the case, unless Meat is vigi and he can't talk right now. I think Eden's large post brought up some good points about Tamburini being serial killer, but I'm not willing to risk it. He's a town right now for me, and I think Eden's willingness to vote a vigi claim to potentially get rid of a serial killer looks scummy. I mean, worst case scenario, he gets shot the next night and we find out he was vigi then. If he doesn't die and nobody else dies during the night, we can figure that he was protected from 1 kp as serial killer. I don't know why we would waste a lynch here on him, unless I'm overlooking something. Sweetfrost was my next scumread candidate, so I'm switching vote to him. ##VOTE: Sweetfrost | ||
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27ninjabunnies
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sqrtofneg1
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As town, I'm more concerned about mafia, which are guaranteed to be in the setup, rather than the serial killer. After a bit of mulligan, I've noticed something. Eden is mafia. He has been talking quite a bit less than the other game. He pushes yellow first. Then he gets out the serial killer case on tambo. Before this, he was pretty much sure that yellow was mafia. It doesn't make sense to go after serial killer if you're town, and you have a mafia suspect, because what if tambo was telling the truth? From a townie's perspective, he should have stuck with the yellow lynch, rather than potentially killing vigi. He changed his vote to tambo because he believes the vigi claim. He's afraid of leaving the vigi alive. That means, that if eden is mafia, there's definitely no roleblocker. Yes, it is possible that tambo is serial killer. However, Eden's actions following tambo's roleclaim is a dead giveaway of his alignment. Eden is mafia. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
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sqrtofneg1
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Not tambo for obvious reasons. Not yellow, either. Otherwise, he hasn't interacted much with others. (another reason why he's mafia) Hm.... I can't see who else mafia could be, working from the perspective that Eden is proved mafia. However, I do have my reads. From my reads, however, ahswtini is mafia. I can see ahswtini + eden as scum team. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
I am finding it pretty hard to look past Eden voting for Tamburini when Tamburini claims vigi. It just doesn't make sense. Tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer in the CHANCE that there's not already a vigi in the game. My mind's been a little jumbled lately since Tamburini roleclaimed because that threw my most likely candidate for scum out the window. But I really don't like Eden voting on a potential vigi, especially when that vigi is going to either die from mafia or get roleblocked later. It's a whole waste of a lynch on a potential confirmed town. I'm changing votes to Eden. I can't see a good possible reason to lynch Tamburini anymore, as much as I didn't like his roleclaim. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE Eden1892 | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On May 01 2014 11:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: If you're town, are you more concerned about a serial killer? or are you more concerned about mafia? As town, I'm more concerned about mafia, which are guaranteed to be in the setup, rather than the serial killer. After a bit of mulligan, I've noticed something. Eden is mafia. He has been talking quite a bit less than the other game. He pushes yellow first. Then he gets out the serial killer case on tambo. Before this, he was pretty much sure that yellow was mafia. It doesn't make sense to go after serial killer if you're town, and you have a mafia suspect, because what if tambo was telling the truth? From a townie's perspective, he should have stuck with the yellow lynch, rather than potentially killing vigi. He changed his vote to tambo because he believes the vigi claim. He's afraid of leaving the vigi alive. That means, that if eden is mafia, there's definitely no roleblocker. Yes, it is possible that tambo is serial killer. However, Eden's actions following tambo's roleclaim is a dead giveaway of his alignment. Eden is mafia. You're not assessing this properly. Take a look at my incentives with each alignment. Town: I want to kill the serial killer and the mafia if I believe both to be in the game. I think mtamburini is fakeclaiming as serial killer because his claim only makes sense in the scenario I described in my big post. He's just making himself the n1 kill if he's actually the vigilante, which is colossally stupid. It's better for me to kill the serial killer over a mafia because removing the serial killer takes away 1 of the 2 anti-town kp. If I killed, say, Yell0w and he flipped scum, we've caught a mafia, but we're equally close to winning (as in either case we've killed 1 anti-town player), and we still have 2 anti-town kp instead of one to deal with. The serial killer is always the better kill. Mafia: I can just shoot mtamburini tonight without drawing any attention to myself if I think he's actually the vigilante. If I'm mafia and I come out with this big case saying that the vigilante is actually the serial killer, and I don't get him lynched, I'm getting shot that night. If I do get him lynched, I'm getting myself lynched the next day. In both cases I'm needlessly throwing away my life to get rid of a vigilante I could just shoot that night at no cost. | ||
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Eden1892
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On May 01 2014 11:40 Epishade wrote: Goddamn, this game is out of control. I am finding it pretty hard to look past Eden voting for Tamburini when Tamburini claims vigi. It just doesn't make sense. Tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer in the CHANCE that there's not already a vigi in the game. My mind's been a little jumbled lately since Tamburini roleclaimed because that threw my most likely candidate for scum out the window. But I really don't like Eden voting on a potential vigi, especially when that vigi is going to either die from mafia or get roleblocked later. It's a whole waste of a lynch on a potential confirmed town. I'm changing votes to Eden. I can't see a good possible reason to lynch Tamburini anymore, as much as I didn't like his roleclaim. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE Eden1892 Why not? Nothing in the ruleset forbids multiple of the same role from appearing in the game. On April 09 2014 00:01 Promethelax wrote: Set-up information Overview: The setup is a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. My turn for questions. 1) Why are you guys just blindly lining up to believe a role claim that makes no sense whatsoever from a townie POV and plenty of sense from an sk POV? 2) Epishade, what happened between "I think Eden's post brought up some good points about tamburini being the serial killer" to "tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer"? You flipped on that in the span of an hour with no explanation. On May 01 2014 11:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: If you're town, you don't want vigi to die. Sure, he might be SK, but he might be vigi also. You don't even know if there is a SK. I think tambo's claim was strange too, but I'm not willing to risk losing vigi. You are. That makes you mafia. No, it doesn't. You know better than this. You don't even have to look further than the last newbie claim to know my attitude about fishy claims on the first day. If I think I've got a legit read on someone as being anti-town, I don't give a fuck what they say they are, if they can't prove their claim in a reasonable way, I'm not trusting it. Cavalinho had no realistic way of verifying he was the parity cop last game, I lynched him without batting an eye d1 because I thought he was scum. tamburini can't prove his claim at all because there's no way to tell that he isn't the serial killer, I'm lynching him without batting an eye d1 because I think he's serial killer. If I'm wrong, no big deal, it's a setback but tamburini hasn't been helping us win at all with his behavior d1 and we're not going to win or lose based on power roles anyway. If I'm right, we just cut the anti-town kp in half on the first day. The choice is obvious to me. How is it not to you? | ||
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sqrtofneg1
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ritoky
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Eden1892
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On May 01 2014 12:07 sqrtofneg1 wrote: It's not obvious because there's no guarantee that there even is an SK. I'm not risking killing a vigi on the possibility that there is a SK. There's no guarantee that there even is a vigilante, either. I'm not risking not killing a SK on the possibility that there is a vigi. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On May 01 2014 12:01 Eden1892 wrote: Why not? Nothing in the ruleset forbids multiple of the same role from appearing in the game. My turn for questions. 1) Why are you guys just blindly lining up to believe a role claim that makes no sense whatsoever from a townie POV and plenty of sense from an sk POV? 2) Epishade, what happened between "I think Eden's post brought up some good points about tamburini being the serial killer" to "tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer"? You flipped on that in the span of an hour with no explanation. No, it doesn't. You know better than this. You don't even have to look further than the last newbie claim to know my attitude about fishy claims on the first day. If I think I've got a legit read on someone as being anti-town, I don't give a fuck what they say they are, if they can't prove their claim in a reasonable way, I'm not trusting it. Cavalinho had no realistic way of verifying he was the parity cop last game, I lynched him without batting an eye d1 because I thought he was scum. tamburini can't prove his claim at all because there's no way to tell that he isn't the serial killer, I'm lynching him without batting an eye d1 because I think he's serial killer. If I'm wrong, no big deal, it's a setback but tamburini hasn't been helping us win at all with his behavior d1 and we're not going to win or lose based on power roles anyway. If I'm right, we just cut the anti-town kp in half on the first day. The choice is obvious to me. How is it not to you? Oh crap, you're right about the number of roles given. I missed that and thought there could be only person playing each role (disregarding masons). That does change my understanding now of the situation. I was under the impression that Tamburini wouldn't dare call vigi without actually being vigi because he'd get called out if there were any other vigis in this game, but that scenario actually can't happen now, and does possibly point to Tamburini being a possible serial killer. For your answer to your 2nd point: Honestly, I thought that it was suspicious of you to be so certain of Tamburini being serial killer when he claimed because I thought there was no way he would claim vigi if someone could call him out on it. The possibility of multiple vigis in this game changes quite a bit for me, as I can now see why Tamburini might claim vigilante to avoid being lynched as possible serial killer. I had you viewed as slightly scummy before in my first post too (before I switched my vote to you), but wasn't sure if I wanted to continue or not. Then Sqrt posted and I thought I must not be alone in my reasoning. However, can you explain why my reasoning might be faulty in my other post, then? I think it still stands, but again, I may be missing something that you're seeing. "I mean, worst case scenario, he gets shot the next night and we find out he was vigi then. If he doesn't die and nobody else dies during the night, we can figure that he was protected from 1 kp as serial killer. I don't know why we would waste a lynch here on him, unless I'm overlooking something." | ||
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sqrtofneg1
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Eden1892
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