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On May 01 2014 11:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Town: I want to kill the serial killer and the mafia if I believe both to be in the game. I think mtamburini is fakeclaiming as serial killer because his claim only makes sense in the scenario I described in my big post. He's just making himself the n1 kill if he's actually the vigilante, which is colossally stupid. It's better for me to kill the serial killer over a mafia because removing the serial killer takes away 1 of the 2 anti-town kp. If I killed, say, Yell0w and he flipped scum, we've caught a mafia, but we're equally close to winning (as in either case we've killed 1 anti-town player), and we still have 2 anti-town kp instead of one to deal with. The serial killer is always the better kill.
@Eden1892: I agree with you generally, this doesn't make sense to me given mtamburini's preferences.
Please answer this:
Why is the serial killer a better lynch when the serial killer seems to want to shoot yell0w, who you think is mafia?
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(EBWOP "but this doesn't")
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I'm working towards placing my vote so may have some random questions as I go-
@ritoky: What are your current feelings on SweetFrost?
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@Amiko As a video mafia player, when you get formaled, and it seems as if you are about to get voted off, coming out as vigi is a protown move, so his claiming there makes sense to me. I, like you, am wary that he didn't defend himself more before coming out, but as it is near finals for most college students and tamburini is a college student, I can understand his claiming rather than defending. Idk if this is an actual reason as to why he didn't do it, I'm just assuming it might be.
Also, as a video mafia player, you usually dont claim who you are going to shoot for the reason that mafia could possibly double stack with you and cover your shot. For example, if I were mafia, and tamburini claimed he was going to shoot yell0w in the night, if yell0w was town, I could just kill yell0w in the night, making it seem like mafia were the only ones who shot, not the vigi, which gives mafia the advantage of lynching the vigi the next day.
So him not claiming who he is shooting also makes sense to me.
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@dfs: The point was raised elsewhere but just to clarify, it's possible (pretty unlikely though) there are multiple vigs, and it's possible there are no vigs. If there is a town-vigilante in the game, I think that player would be more likely to shoot mtamburini in the night phase rather than counterclaim - then they get to stay unrevealed, or, if they want to reveal, they can claim it just before night ends.
@dfs You will probably be around before lynch since I think you haven't voted yet. Could you comment on sweetfrost?
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also @sweetfrost: If you are in thread, I don't feel like sqrt is the lynch today. Who would be your second pick? Is it still yell0w/bunnies?
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Catching up and doing a final quick skim of the past day or so. Also I might be repping a newborn mafia community elsewhere in a big mafia tournament soon B)
On May 02 2014 01:38 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 11:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Town: I want to kill the serial killer and the mafia if I believe both to be in the game. I think mtamburini is fakeclaiming as serial killer because his claim only makes sense in the scenario I described in my big post. He's just making himself the n1 kill if he's actually the vigilante, which is colossally stupid. It's better for me to kill the serial killer over a mafia because removing the serial killer takes away 1 of the 2 anti-town kp. If I killed, say, Yell0w and he flipped scum, we've caught a mafia, but we're equally close to winning (as in either case we've killed 1 anti-town player), and we still have 2 anti-town kp instead of one to deal with. The serial killer is always the better kill.
@Eden1892: I agree with you generally, this doesn't make sense to me given mtamburini's preferences. Please answer this: Why is the serial killer a better lynch when the serial killer seems to want to shoot yell0w, who you think is mafia?
1) Presume he's the serial killer, how do we know he can be trusted to follow through? I don't trust the guy as far as I can throw him, and I can't throw him for shit.
2) Has he actually explicitly stated this intention to kill Yell0w? The assumption isn't surprising, but I don't think he ever said who he was actually going to kill.
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I won't be here before deadline and am posting on phone right now so I'll try to make this short. I think mafia not knowing what Tamburini is is more helpful to us than killing him right now. So I'm deciding now to go back to sweetfrost.
vote sweetfrost
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@Eden
If tamburini is the serial killer, he still has to play as a vigilante. If mtamburini doesn't shoot at yell0w, his play is strongly inconsistent since he has basically tunnelled yell0w the whole game. His best chance at passing as vig is shooting yell0w.
If he shoots someone else and claims WIFOM then it is very suspicious (well... if he kills a mafia that isn't yell0w, that's not so bad).
While mtamburini hasn't stated straight out that he will kill yell0w, I think that's the only reasonable person he can be referring to with his target with 85% certainty comment. For one, I don't think it would refer to anyone other than who he is voting for. Even if it did, it would be pretty awful to have that much confidence in someone as scum and not bring the person up as a lynch candidate.
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FREEZE
On May 01 2014 18:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Vote (slave) count:
Sweetfrost (2): Eden1892, 27ninjabunnies, Epishade, Epishade, Epishade
mtamburini (3): Epishade, ahswtini, MysteryMeat1, Eden1892, sqrtofneg1, mtamburini
Epishade (1): Eden1892, Eden1892, dravernor
dfs (0): Eden1892
Yell0w (1): 27ninjabunnies, mtamburini, Eden1892
Eden1892 (1): sqrtofneg1, sqrtofneg1, Epishade
sqrtofneg1 (1): Sweetfrost
ahswtini (1): sqrtofneg1, ritoky
MysteryMeat1 (1): ashwtini
Not voting (2): Amiko, dfs
Currently, mtamburini is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, May 01 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
I can't tell who the wagons for today are since the votes are scattered. I think it'll be mtamburini and Sweetfrost. I want mtamburini obviously. Sweetfrost I can live with -- he's suspicious for sure, I just think mtamburini is the serial killer and needs to go today. But I'm more curious about something else from this count...
ashwtini, ritoky, Sweetfrost, sqrt, mtamburini dravernor: Why aren't you guys advocating for your preferred lynch choice? Nothing is off the table right now, but you're all sitting on outliers without making a concerted effort to get them killed.
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On May 02 2014 02:58 Amiko wrote:
@Eden
If tamburini is the serial killer, he still has to play as a vigilante. If mtamburini doesn't shoot at yell0w, his play is strongly inconsistent since he has basically tunnelled yell0w the whole game. His best chance at passing as vig is shooting yell0w.
If he shoots someone else and claims WIFOM then it is very suspicious (well... if he kills a mafia that isn't yell0w, that's not so bad).
While mtamburini hasn't stated straight out that he will kill yell0w, I think that's the only reasonable person he can be referring to with his target with 85% certainty comment. For one, I don't think it would refer to anyone other than who he is voting for. Even if it did, it would be pretty awful to have that much confidence in someone as scum and not bring the person up as a lynch candidate.
On the contrary, look at how he talked about his kill in the "reveal" post:
On May 01 2014 06:53 mtamburini wrote:
Gonna be completely honest, all this reading gives me a headache I dont read this much for school. And to be hoenst I prob wont finish and I will read later again,.Im tired and hungry and Im just gonna claim my role. Im Bird Jesus and Ive got a target to shoot tonight right now but I will finish reading to find more connections to this person and/or more behavior I may have missed from everyone else.
I like tunneling its fun and you cant tell a lot about a person when you do so along with everyone else in the game. Im like 85% certain on this person and if I do mis shoot, well I will retract town leader position and stick my tail between my legs and sit in the corner and think about what I have done.
"I've got a target to shoot, but I'll finish reading for more connections." "I'm 85% certain on this person and if I do mis-shoot I'll retract town leader position and go to the timeout corner."
Then he immediately afterward posts:
On May 01 2014 06:55 mtamburini wrote:
Oh and a little more content on Yell0w that I didnt bring up before , he mentioned something about him having a coach and that he would just ask his coach for advice to be towny is such WIFOM and not game related.
He's clearly not afraid to call Yell0w by name and talk directly about him. Why not tell us you're gonna shoot him?
On May 01 2014 07:18 mtamburini wrote:
Its common practice in the video mafia games that I play in the Vigilante claims and lets everyone know that they will be shooting in case they die in the night and 2 kills happen instead of 1 so there is no confusion the next day ( we usually play with 2 kp for mafia until there is 2 of them left with no flips).
So you'd think that a guy so bent on clarity and openness of information with his claim would tell us upfront, right? But he isn't. He's pointedly choosing not to tell us.
If he wants to shoot Yell0w, why did he repeatedly choose to say "a target" / "this person" and explicitly choose not to name his target? This kind of distancing language brings less, not more, clarity to the game state, and it's employed by liars who are uncomfortable with owning their statements.
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And as a side-question, where the hell is he now? I would have expected a vigilante to check back in and argue for his innocence.
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So I havent read anything just skimmed through a bunch of stuff.
The person leading the charge on me is making a lot of logical points about why killing SK day1 is a good thing (reduction in KP) Ive liked a lot of his posts even though they are very lengthy and hate reading 4 paragraph posts.
Im referring to EDEN if I wasnt clear.
Its unfortunate that although everything they have said is logical, he is wrong!
Ive been AFK for a lot of this game so I have not been able to push what I want and make contributions as I wouldve liked to and its extremely hard to keep up with conversation when you fall behind and there is not a lot of quoting.
RL > Forum mafia. RL pays the bills.
I cant point out to you and scummy people but one person I would not consider lynching today is Eden from the things I have seen from him in the last couple of pages.
Looking at the voting records there are a couple of people who keep flip flopping between votes which I find highly suspicious. Those are people I would look into, not sure of their reasoning's for voting on who they voted for but flipping your vote so many times in a game is a red flag for me.
Other than that Ive seen some posts and stuff that can potentially happen in the night with regards to me and I applaud those people for coaching the mafia on what to do with me. Thanks for being pro town!
Everyone has condemned me to either shoot mafia or die tomorrow which is BS imo. I understand my lack of contribution is putting suspicion on me but Ive got a lot of reading to do so I can make an educated decision on what to do i the night phase.
As far as Im concerned everyone is still suspect but I do have some of my favorite shots.
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My preferred lynches right now is Sweetfrost.
Strongest point for Sweetfrost's is probably on reads, which have been contrary to most other players' views and not well explained. The initial suspicion of yell0w seemed fine, but when she says she sees either yell0w or bunnies as scum but not both, it's hard for me to see how she seem to see one as more persuasive than the other. The later vote on sqrt feels underevaluated.
The paragraph above has been discussed before, but there is more to support a lynch on sweetfrost. I think Sweetfrost is a suspicious with regard to epishade/ritoky interactions.
Sweetfrost clears ritoky for his posting style. That doesn't strike me as that unusual - ritoky had just presented reads that I felt were fairly clearly written. But,
> Ritoky reads sqrt read as unusual/odd/difficult to read. Sweetfrost sees sqrt as scum.
> Ritoky suspected Epishade. However, when ninjabunnies asked Sweetfrost about epishade being scummy, Sweet disagreed/didn't trust ninjabunnies' (gut)read of epishade as scummy.
> Ritoky leaned town on bunnies, and odd on yell0w. Sweetfrost seems to see one of the two (but not both) as scum. This isn't totally inconsistent, but you'd think agreeing would mean considering yell0w the more likely scum.
Sweet hasn't talked about many players, so there's not much more to compare. But, for the people she does comment on, it seems suspicious that her Sweetfrost's actions don't seem very aligned with ritoky's reads, which Sweet liked.
Basically, I would expect agreement from SweetFrost on some reads, or think SweetFrost would pursue/question Ritoky's scumreads. Since we don't get much of either, looks bad.
##Vote: SweetFrost
I do think there is a weak point in a case on SweetFrost - I will probably post it when I get back from lunch. It's better to hold onto for the moment.
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Two side notes:
(1) Mysterymeat has given almost no contribution, but I don't see a lynch on him as useful. I would be okay with his lynch as a general lurker policy lynch, but it feels a little unfair - if he is tempbanned, he can't post here so he can't defend himself, can't roleclaim, etc. However, do we actually know when he can post again? If he's going to be unable to talk for any significant part of the game that's going to be an issue...
+ Show Spoiler +maybe we could get cavalinho to /replace so we could lynch him instead.
(2) @all: In the next few hours, votes need to be consolidated. Mafia probably have three or four votes they can use, so to have a significant chance of lynching mafia we need to have town votes move together. If votes are spread out, they are easily manipulated. If you think someone you are voting for is clearly mafia more than the other potential votes, make your case ASAP. But, you need to move to the major wagons and sooner is better.
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On May 02 2014 03:07 Eden1892 wrote:FREEZEShow nested quote +On May 01 2014 18:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Vote (slave) count:
Sweetfrost (2): Eden1892, 27ninjabunnies, Epishade, Epishade, Epishade
mtamburini (3): Epishade, ahswtini, MysteryMeat1, Eden1892, sqrtofneg1, mtamburini
Epishade (1): Eden1892, Eden1892, dravernor
dfs (0): Eden1892
Yell0w (1): 27ninjabunnies, mtamburini, Eden1892
Eden1892 (1): sqrtofneg1, sqrtofneg1, Epishade
sqrtofneg1 (1): Sweetfrost
ahswtini (1): sqrtofneg1, ritoky
MysteryMeat1 (1): ashwtini
Not voting (2): Amiko, dfs
Currently, mtamburini is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, May 01 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory! I can't tell who the wagons for today are since the votes are scattered. I think it'll be mtamburini and Sweetfrost. I want mtamburini obviously. Sweetfrost I can live with -- he's suspicious for sure, I just think mtamburini is the serial killer and needs to go today. But I'm more curious about something else from this count... ashwtini, ritoky, Sweetfrost, sqrt, mtamburini dravernor: Why aren't you guys advocating for your preferred lynch choice? Nothing is off the table right now, but you're all sitting on outliers without making a concerted effort to get them killed.
Um i didnt vote for myself.... LOL
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@Eden: Since mtamburini is apparently in the thread, if he promises to shoot yell0w do you still want to kill him?
Also I thought he was straightforward on shooting yell0w, but as his post just now indicates he's got more than one potential target I think your read on his post (not necessarily shooting yell0w) is probably correct.
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On May 02 2014 03:24 Amiko wrote:
@Eden: Since mtamburini is apparently in the thread, if he promises to shoot yell0w do you still want to kill him?
Also I thought he was straightforward on shooting yell0w, but as his post just now indicates he's got more than one potential target I think your read on his post (not necessarily shooting yell0w) is probably correct.
This is a loaded question and I dont like it.
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Eden-
I wanna write about mtamburini but I gotta grab lunch, sorry. I'll consider your points on lynching him more when I get back, I don't think you'll convince me but I do like the idea more given mtamburini's last post.
@mtamburini: I'd like you to weigh in on an acceptable lynch who is not yell0w.
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@mtamburini: loaded like a gun pointed at yell0w?
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@Amiko, I believe t was obvious that tamburini was not going to shoot Yell0w, and here is why. Going a bit off of video mafia plays, you usually don't shoot the ones you want to lynch in the day. So I feel as if tamburini thinks yell0w will get lynched today or he did at the time he made his vigi claim), he has a shot outside of yell0w whom he thinks is scummy.
Of course this is all on the basis that tamburini is the vigi and not the serial killer, the latter seemingly more unlikely by how I've seen tamburini play.
Tamburini is town here, and everyone who votes on him is a scumbag. (Or more likely mafia).
We need to find a mafia outside of tamburini today, and we only have a few hours to do so.
I like Amiko's points on Sweetfrost, they line up with mine a bit.
Sweetfrost to me hasnt contributed much to this game besides trying to make it seem like I am scummy, without giving straight reasons to as why, and then votes on someone totally different whom most people havent even considered looking at. Some may fine this townie, but I find this as his attempt at seeming townie, and then possibly blitzing at last moment to vote on someone who is town and get them lynched since the votes are so spread out right now.
So I definitely need to hear more from Sweetfrost.
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On May 02 2014 03:28 Amiko wrote:
Eden-
I wanna write about mtamburini but I gotta grab lunch, sorry. I'll consider your points on lynching him more when I get back, I don't think you'll convince me but I do like the idea more given mtamburini's last post.
@mtamburini: I'd like you to weigh in on an acceptable lynch who is not yell0w.
I honestly cannot give that kind of information because I have not read through the entire game as of yet. Yellow is still my target based on his early game performances. As I continue to read through the forums if I see something I can like about him and dislike about someone else I will do so.
On May 02 2014 03:29 Amiko wrote:
@mtamburini: loaded like a gun pointed at yell0w?
And LOL funny
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