EPTTL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy - Page 10
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Hapahauli
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Obzy
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AUSTRIA (Spring 1901, Apr 11 2014 19:59 (GMT)) Crap I feel the pressure to do as hapa do OR like u all gang up on this alakaslam b4 powah overwhelming hijole | ||
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Hapahauli
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Xatalos
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Hapahauli
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A "Tier" - Russia, France, Germany The "best" countries in diplomacy are Russia and France - they are border countries with access to several neutral territories, and have no huge barriers in getting to 18 centers. It's very feasible for a good player to secure an early-game advantage, and snowball the game to victory. Germany a bit less safe than Russia/France, but arguably has more explosive potential. There are so many supply centres in striking distance of Germany's home production centres, that a good player can blitzkreig players off the board left and right. B "Tier" - Turkey Turkey is one of the safest countries on the board (with only two immediate neighbors and a corner fortified position) and has access to the Balkans. The reason why it's a tier below Russia/France/Germany is that it's expansion paths are fairly one dimensional, and growth is more of a slog than an explosion. C "Tier" - England, Austria These guys are on the lower end for vastly different reasons. England, despite being a corner power, is surrounded by the 3 best countries in the game. England looks very attractive on paper, but very easily gets "locked out" of the continent and stuck on 4-5 supply centres for an extended amount of time. In addition, England's expansion path to 18 centres is somewhat awkward, having to either conquer the long, sprawling sea across both sides of the board, or to waste time convoying armies onto the mainland. Austria has two major barriers to victory. The first is Austria's propensity to get wiped off the board in the opening years by greedy neighbors. If Austria survives, she'll get to 10-12 supply centres pretty easily, but quickly stalls out after that. It's just insanely hard for Austria to get to 18 centres, as Austria has a hard time fighting for the seas vs Italy/Turkey (since Austria can only build one fleet at a time), and can't reliably take northern territories with only armies. D "Tier" - Italy Italy just sucks =( While Italy is the safest nation in the game, it's so hard for an italian player to find prospects for expansion. You can try to attack france, but the mediterranean is a stalemate nightmare. You can try to attack Austria, but a vindictive Austrian player can very easily ruin your life. Most Italian players favor working with Austria to attack Turkey, but even then, you can run into problems vs a Russian/Turkish alliance, and you won't get to 5 supply centres until 1903-4 at the earliest. Tiers aside, the best player generally wins in any game. Communication and strategic skills can overcome any national disadvantage you may have. The Tier list however is pretty accurate in high-level play. | ||
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Incognito
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Germany and Austria are the most fun to play. Germany is safer than you might think given that Russia has no incentive to attack you early. Neither does Austria (too busy trying not to die to Russia/Turkey/Italy. As Austria, you can actually survive the early game pretty well as long as you don't try to gamble on getting 2 neutrals (which you don't really need as much as you think anyway). Turkey is so boring you don't get to influence too much. Trouble with allying with Austria or Italy is that if they're smart they know you don't have anywhere room to expand after Russia is dead...except for going after them. I may be down if someone will host another... | ||
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Hapahauli
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1. Hapa 2. Incognito 3. Xatalos 4. Oatsmaster | ||
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DarthPunk
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Alakaslam
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On April 29 2014 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Austria's a fun country. There's an insanely high chance of you dying in the first few years, but if you get through that, you generally do very well for the rest of the game. Despite my reaction to luzn horribly, HELL YES IT IS I was role playing charlescomm by like 10 hours in or less Was an absolute riot | ||
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Alakaslam
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On April 29 2014 13:30 Hapahauli wrote: Doit. If you're in, we'd only need 3 more: 1. Hapa 2. Incognito 3. Xatalos 4. Oatsmaster HIJOLE u convince me O great hapa /innuS | ||
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Xatalos
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I agree that Italy is the "weakest" country, but I don't really agree that it's the safest If any kind of stalemate lines or western/eastern alliances are born, Italy will usually die quickly. Italy might even die in the first turns if Austria for some reason decides to go for Italy rather than the Balkans. I'd say that Turkey/England are the safest (as in harder to eliminate during the game).Btw I think England is actually quite high in the site rankings, higher than Turkey or Germany? Have you played Diplomacy before, Hapa? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On April 29 2014 17:50 Xatalos wrote: Nice :D The current game might also end pretty soon. We'll see. I agree that Italy is the "weakest" country, but I don't really agree that it's the safest If any kind of stalemate lines or western/eastern alliances are born, Italy will usually die quickly. Italy might even die in the first turns if Austria for some reason decides to go for Italy rather than the Balkans. I'd say that Turkey/England are the safest (as in harder to eliminate during the game).Btw I think England is actually quite high in the site rankings, higher than Turkey or Germany? Have you played Diplomacy before, Hapa? I've been playing on and off since I was a kid. My parent's liked the game a lot, so I had the copy of the game at my house. Most of the game's I've played have been in-person though. As far as England goes, the list I have more refers to high levels of play. England certainly has its practical advantages (i.e. being able to build 3x fleets in a turn, having control of the North Sea, etc). | ||
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Hapahauli
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Though Richard Sharpe (the maker of Diplomacy) was quoted once saying something to the effect of "It is impossible for Italy to win at high levels of play." | ||
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