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On March 19 2014 23:54 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 23:43 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting? No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo. Where did i make a meta-argument? Here. On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion. The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction. There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing. If that's kush he is mafia. On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
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"If that's kush he is mafia" =/= "That is kush and he is mafia". Did i, in your opinion, ever push the argument as "that is kush and he is mafia". If i did, show me where, if i didn't, why are you making shit up? It looks like you wrote this posts to convince people that the hydra Coag was mafia. Did you not ? I consider this an argument based on kush meta that you used to push your lynch. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia. On February 20 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:It's this post and the conversation that took place after that: On February 20 2014 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid. On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. thoughts on that? On February 20 2014 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. thoughts on that? Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want. On February 20 2014 12:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
k that's a no. you have no thoughts on that. Does it look like kush really cares about his question? Because the bolded part is an answer to his question. And I don't consider this argument and the post you quoted from Coag are enough to justify the time you spend on him. Is it clear enough now ?
Did you even read my case on Coag? Is there anything about kush? What the fuck are you talking about, seriously?
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On March 19 2014 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is going to be fucking hard because i don't have any townreads except for Holyflare and Oats. whhattt why do you have a townread on me?
These posts:
On March 19 2014 18:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 18:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 19 2014 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
vote on thrawn.
proper vote when i get home.
Can you explain what exactly feels off about HF or DP thrawn? when I read HF's posts I think "does this guy really belive what he's saying" (in regards to stuff he's said about dp) some of DP's posts feel like he's not trying hard enough, like he's giving himself outs for lame reasons so that he doesn't have to take firm stances (mostly regarding HF) 1-2 examples?
I liked this because i was just about to write the exact same question when i saw you posting this.
On March 19 2014 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.
Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum? Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd. Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago. They could both be town or scum, just asking for a read. I think Vivax is town I agree with palmar. I dunno about Djo though, I actually think that he is purposely not participating in what is going on.
I also like the bolded part very very much.
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I dunno Koshi, do you think he is scum?
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On March 20 2014 00:03 Palmar wrote:
Thing is it's annoying having seen how good Oats can be as town (foundation mafia) that he isn't trying as hard. It doesn't make him scum because he's also very often lurky and useless as town, it would just be vastly preferable if he wasn't.
That's why it has been annoying for the last 6 months. 
He's always been good if he wants to be, sadly he hasn't wanted to be good besides Foundation.
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Gimme 5 minutes. I'll make a cup of coffee and smoke a cigarrette.
Then i try to clarify my case on Hopeless and then we'll see where to look for.
Okay? I am mainly talking to HF, Palmar, Oats, Koshi too if he wants to participate.
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Now here is what Hopeless says at the start of the game about Holyflare:
On March 19 2014 06:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
That's not very scoobydoo...I'd rather lynch holy based on that casework.
On March 19 2014 07:02 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. when was this...stupid and terrible holyflare is scum
On March 19 2014 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
First and foremost, these 3 things do not go together. Palmar likes DP's post, thinks it's good logic (wut?) and then states later that it had nothing to do with rayns alignment, it was an observation from DP that he liked. He still sticks by this despite me saying that this is something rayn does as either alignment and DP SHOULD know that. It was super weird to point out from DP and even more weird for Palmar to like despite everything that had already happened. Not to mention, DP further calls that post a "joke" but Palmar still likes it despite him admitting it said nothing of value.
You pointing out rayn does this as either alignment is completely irrelevant, I already said it wasn't alignment indicative which is essentially the same thing. Remember that story I told earlier about refusing to lynch a townie based on a post 5 minutes into the game? The post's contents were "lolol". There was literally nothing else in the post. There is no connection between "Palmar likes a post" and "Palmar thinks this post provides something of value". If I thought DP had a good point, I'd have said so. All I said was that I liked the post, it looked like something written by a townie. The "solid logic" is a tounge in cheek post. why are you so serious HF? he's either buddying (scummy) or inferring things about your posts that aren't there (possibly scummy). whats your game history like with HF?
Now Hopeless thinks Holyflare is mafia. What are the possible reasons for thinking this based on his posts:
- Bad meta-case on DarthPunk (which was a joke)
- His behavior matches with Cultured where he made a mini-game and bussed his teammate based on it (why else he would make the post about Cultured game?)
- Post about Palmar that is bad logic
Based on Hopeless posting there is no other reason why he should think Holyflare is mafia or he is not telling us everything. Now this is what he says later on:
On March 19 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
for the sake of transparency, I did not read the game holy is talking about. I know that he "caught" his scumbuddy off of "scooby doo" and completely fooled rayn and the rest of town in cultured. In that game it was both true and a moderately reliable tell that he used. This game he did not have that in his push on either DP or me.
On March 19 2014 11:13 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:26 suki wrote:Someone tell me what HolyFlare is doing. In the meantime: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1qmRs4h.png) so you are saying this was the post you "scoobydoo'd" suki with in culture? I dont know what scooby doo means, i inferred that it simply meant caught a scummer. At any rate, all this results in is that Really Small (i think, whatever game you caught GGTemplar in referred to below) and Cultured both show you using this "method". There was a reason for it, and afaik it came down to Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 21:52 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting:
So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.
Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list
Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.
I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.
Well in really small mafia I did the scooby doo thing and the way I caught GGTemplar was from his joining in with the mini game while questioning what the hell was going on and perpetuating that I was clogging up the thread. Suki did a similar start to this but didn't perpetuate it, hence why I wanted to let her post more to see if she would. Either way, her posting style was quite evident in her town games and I haven't seen it here yet but she's promised to deliver more later so I can only wait and see. My initial comments were that your case on DP hinged on him /outing due to hydras then policying hydras (i.e. bullshit pregame stuff). Its stupid and terrible and by no means should anyone have considered it a scumtell.
Now look at the blue, red and green part of the posting history of Hopeless:
- In the blue part he clearly references to the games where Holyflare has used a mini-game.
- In the red part he says he has not in fact read those games closely (which can't be true because he directly references to Scooby Doo which was the original mini game Holyflare created as town, here)
- In the green part he contradicts himself by saying he does not know what Scooby Doo means. That cannot possibly be true because again, in this very part, he directly references to the game (Really Small mafia) Holyflare did it. He also contradicts the blue part because in the blue part he clearly implies Holyflare is mafia based on a mini game he did as scum. But he has done that as town too and Hopeless does not address this at all until here.
TLDR;
- The blue-red-green part is an obvious contradiction and there is something that does not make sense. Most likely the blue part is to try making someone look bad with using only partial information (only referencing to scumgame and not looking the whole picture) while knowing (green proves that) something is not alignment indicative.
- Other reasons for calling Holyflare mafia are not good as stated before. The meta-case on DarthPunk was a joke and Hopeless does not follow up on this in any way when Holyflare answers him. The Palmar post is a stretch because Holyflare is not inferring anything, at least Hopeless never points anything concrete out. he just says Holyflare does something without explaining where.
- I still stand behind my statement that you can't say "rayn is likely town" unless you have a read on me and therefore i conclude Hopeless made a baseless read on me, did not give any real reasoning and when thrawn questioned him about it he could not answer and instead he just changed his story because he did not have real answers or thought process.
- There is nothing else he has done in this game besides given some reads that are worth nothing because there is no reasoning behind them.
And that's why i think Hopeless is mafia.
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On March 19 2014 09:08 Giggletummy wrote:
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I do not enjoy it and have started "heavily skimming" all coag <--> rayn stuff.
rayn looks worse for it, because rayn can be useful when he's bouncing all the walls and accusing everyone of being mafia. I assume that I'm not the only one who is now "heavily skimming" his posts when they involve coag and coag things.
I don't actually follow who coag is this game (coag, coag/kush, coag/kush + more?). But he's posting a bunch so even if it's this fight with rayn that makes me happy. Double standard ftw
Red part is why Giggletummy is mafia.
The read on me is completely crap. There is no explanation on why i look bad. The post basically says "rayn is mafia because he is questioning his scumread instead of questioning everyone" which is really really bad.
He does not say Coag is town,. he does not give reasons why my questioning is scummy, he does not say anything at all. He just says i look bad because i question Coag. That is a totally forged read that makes absolutely no sense from town perspective.
Lynch with fire and Hopeless.
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The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!!
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On March 20 2014 00:58 Koshi wrote:
rayn, I will also tell you that Vivax is mafia because in all his towngames (Sicilian, Cultured, Titanic 1) he was superactive and always on top of the thread. His 1 scumgame (GoT) he was talking in the past and afk 24/7.
We can wait and see on him but he looks hella scum.
At this point of the game i agree 100%.
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On March 20 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!! rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small. I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar. There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles.
Okay let's go from the beginnig.
Why did you make this post:
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On March 20 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!! rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small. I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar. There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles. Okay let's go from the beginnig. Why did you make this post: DP asked if HF has done stupid things as scum before, I consider choose your adventure stupid. I referred DP to cultured and gave a very brief synopsis of HF's play in that game if he was so inclined to review what occured in it.
DP was literally referring to the meta-case. What has that to do with mini games?
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Like what you are saying now Hopeless is this:
DarthPunk: "Holyflare made a really bad meta-case on me. He has done this as town, does he do it as scum aswell?"
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"
Like what the hell?
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Holyflare eats bananas as town, Does anyone know if he does that as mafia too?
Yeah Holyflare eats apples as mafia and as town.
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On March 20 2014 01:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"
Like what the hell? while true, i didnt intend to say that the gflynch was a result of the minigame (even though thats what scooby doo is, i didnt comprehend that before)
I don't care what you didn't intend to say.
I am interested in what you were intending to say with that post because in my opinion it has nothing to do with what DarthPunk askedd.
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Hmm i kinda get what Hopeless is saying here.
I still don't get the read on me, it just does not make any sense.
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Like i can understand you are referring to the "stupid and terrible Holyflare is mafia" comment.
Fuck maybe you are not scum after all.
![[image loading]](http://i58.tinypic.com/3482ezq.png)
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Giggletummy, Djodref, Vivax.
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Hopeless who do you think is mafia?
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On March 20 2014 01:36 Giggletummy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
Other than that i think koshi pretty town Well this is pretty fucking annoying because i think this too. I have no idea what am i missing here because the Coag situation actually does affect to my reads. I don't think anyone should have had a townread on him and if they say "because he posted so much" is not a reliable tell considering they were something like 5-headed hydra. I have no idea why someone thought Coag was town at that point and if that's the case and it was reasonable to assume he was town please someone tell me why. coag as mafia not only doesn't post but he doesn't even interact with the thread. There's some old game where he replaces in as mafia and essentially just made 1-2 posts a day, sometimes claiming not to know when lynch is or what day it is. coag posting a bunch and getting incensed is unlike that and more likely town coag. am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account?
So you did not read the thread at all or you are making shit up now.
You are saying you had a scumread on me based on my interactions with Coag but this post clearly shows you have not even read my posts or the thread at all because there are multiple times i / other people reference to Coag as multiple people and even ask which head of the hydra was posting.
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How can you say someone "looks bad for their interactions with someone else" when you have not even read the interactions or the thread??
I can quote 20 posts where it's really clear Coag is hydra for anyone who has read the thread.
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