You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:32 GMT

#1500

I am kinda back into thinking Hopeless is mafia and i have best reasoning 2014™ for it.
It's kinda sad it can't be used as a reasoning to lynch anyone really so i need to forge a case.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:49 GMT

#1513

Something to think about.

There is atm three lynch candidates. Djodref, Giggletummy and tehpoofer. Now i think it's reasonable to assume they are not all town in any case, just because i can't see a scenario where they are all town. At least one of them is mafia, maybe two (which would mean it's Djodref and tehpoofer since they are both on GT and they do not want to lynch each other), and not all three (because that would mean the scumteam is terrible and they are suicidal from the beginning of the game which i refuse to believe).

Now these people's stance on Hopeless and other people outside the pool of rest of them.

Djodref doesn't want to lynch Hopeless, has no stance on him. Instead he wants to lynch thrawn/Oats more.
tehpoofer gives some generic "i don't understand" crap on Hopeless, has no stance on him. thinks thrawn could be mafia
Giggletummy defends Hopeless against me. Thinks Holyflare is mafia.

Hopeless is one of the people outside those three who is easy to lynch. He has said a lot of stuff that's not so good. Why the fuck does none of those people think he is mafia -> in other words why does the person/people who is/are mafia in those three not go after Hopeless, and instead goes after thrawn who has no realistic chance of being lynched because me (and now DarthPunk) is defending him? In fact anyone, even outside from those people does not want to lynch Hopeless.

In case Hopeless is town, why does mafia not want to lynch Hopeless or even call him mafia for possible D2 lynch. It would be really easy to call Hopeless mafia. He has a bad read on me. He agrees with VE, votes for GT and the next moment he disagrees with the reasoning he voted GT for. Unless of course he is mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:55 GMT

#1516

On March 20 2014 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
That is an interesting observation rayn. I don;t think we should be making associations before we flip some mofo's however.

That's why i said i need to forge a case.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:56 GMT

#1519

The thing is it does not even matter what the association is.
The fact is Hopeless is scummy. Probably not the scummiest or even scummier than any of those three but still scummy. Why does mafia not want to call him scum (because that would be reasonable), even a little?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:57 GMT

#1520

thrawn they all actually answered already. I was mainly waiting for Djodref.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 00:59 GMT

#1521

Assuming Hopeless is town:
I can see 2 of those 3 being mafia, then Vivax and Slam, that would make sense.
Anything other, not much.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:04 GMT

#1524

Also why is everyone and their grandmother calling thrawn mafia?
Unless both of me and DarthPunk are mafia it's almost guaranteed the thrawn "wagon" is mafia influenced. So thrawn, me and DarthPunk know the truth which is out there. thrawn is town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:06 GMT

#1525

On March 20 2014 10:04 Hopeless1der wrote:

Show nested quote +

i'm an orange. true story.

Maybe we should stop talking about you at all and see if you get modkilled as you seem to pop in every time someone mentions the possibility of you being scum and only then.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:10 GMT

#1531

Well Hopeless. What do you think?
Who is mafia? All four. You are allowed to make connection cases because i made one too.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:13 GMT

#1533

On March 20 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:

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So I liked the logic on Hopeless being mafia if one of Me, GT, Djo is mafia too. I fail to see what hopeless being town makes 2 of us mafia. I think all of our interactions with hopeless are indicative with 2 maf together and I see that logic even knowing I'm one in the group and town. I however don't see this leap that if he is town 2 of the 3 of us are maf care to explain it further rayn?

You are right, it's bad. That's why i don't do this shit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:15 GMT

#1534

EBWOP: I mean the last part and what you asked. And my assumption is bad because it does not even make sense to myself.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:23 GMT

#1539

On March 20 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:

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So I liked the logic on Hopeless being mafia if one of Me, GT, Djo is mafia too. I fail to see what hopeless being town makes 2 of us mafia. I think all of our interactions with hopeless are indicative with 2 maf together and I see that logic even knowing I'm one in the group and town. I however don't see this leap that if he is town 2 of the 3 of us are maf care to explain it further rayn?

But if you want an answer i can give it to you:
thrawn2112 as mafia would call Hopeless mafia.
DarthPunk as mafia would call Hopeless mafia
Holyflare as mafia would call Hopeless mafia
Oatsmaster as mafia would call Hopeless mafia
Koshi as mafia would call Hopeless mafia
Palmar as mafia would call Hopeless mafia.
All above based on that they are here and have infuence to the thread. There is no reason why they should NOT call Hopeless mafia in case he is town and one of their own (you/GT/Djo) is on the line. The only people who have not been here are Vivax and Slam, and i don't think all of you three are scum.

I am unallowed to call VE mafia so i exclude him from this logic.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 01:25 GMT

#1541

On March 20 2014 10:18 Tehpoofter wrote:

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Lol okay. So your 2 of 3 maf if hopeless town is bad just to clarify? Cause I actually like the first part and can see a GT Hopeless maf team world quite easy only concern being its like way obvious even to someone like me who hasnt play forum mafia and I assume most of you guys are better than that.

I don't know. Anyways as DP said this is not important atm. I have hard-defended mafia godfather multiple times on D1 based on my assumption that mafia does not play terribly so i stop assuming that sorta things. It's just an observation and maybe worth considering later on in the game.