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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 21:59 GMT
#309
In case I happen to die an early death, here are my early reads to consider.

Artanis
99.99% town. If he's Mafia, I will salute his extreme efforts to radically change his style and basically scream town with his every action (compared to Titanic where he just lurked and bussed me... it's almost impossible to compare these two games).

JJD
Pretty sure he's town. He's seemed very convinced of his own ideas and has pushed them in a way that's felt genuine. He also made some decent points about Sn0_Man.

Sylencia
A big null. He hasn't really contributed anything or taken any stances. Originally I thought more town... For example this post felt like he was actually thinking about the game:

On February 27 2014 16:33 Sylencia wrote:
Actually, tbh I don't think discussing scumreads influences much at all - scum probably aren't even targeting the most townie member tonight if they can get an inkling of who is a blue role.

So really, advocating discussing scum reads or not doesn't matter, but saying not to discuss (which in theory makes it harder for scum to choose an NK target) makes you look townier?

I think I confused myself writing this.


But on further inspection, not so much. Maybe slightly Mafia for just being so lackluster overall.

BH
I haven't really figured him out yet. His extremely tryhard start and then just disappearing into uselessness caused me to see red (I really dislike when someone gets less useful as the game goes on - it's typical for Mafia). But he could be just trolling for N0 or something. Null for now.

Oatsmaster
He's been pretty active and had a presence in the discussion, which I like. But some of his filter just doesn't make sense. For example, his (non-)reason to strongly townread BH and his attempt to "bait town" (why would only town attack a lynchbait?). Pretty null for now.

Sn0_Man (!)
I don't really like him so far. He's being so casually lurky and just suggesting stuff rather than pushing things forward:

On February 27 2014 07:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
oke jjd is actively promoting ways for town to lose tho wtf


On February 27 2014 07:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
how many levels deep of "they know that we know that they know that we know..." did you go?


On February 28 2014 01:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke u guys didn't even solve the game wtf


On February 28 2014 01:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Posting reads in the thread actually gives you insight into what scum is thinking cuz they are guaranteed to take ur reads into account when making NK's.

It can't be bad. If only I had reads.


He's basically a slight / medium scumread right now. He's never directly pushing his opinions and only suggests stuff indirectly or reacts to other posts. I don't like, at all. He needs to seriously step up if he wants to look like a townie. And he also needs some more pressure.

JJD also makes decent observations here:

On February 28 2014 02:10 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 28 2014 01:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
He isnt incorrect here though. Did you scumslip sn0

did u miss the part where i said "still wrong"?

there's no mention of a counterclaim in that post cuz i was wifom'ing the no-counter-claim scenario.

in the counter claim scenario I don't think u protect either cop.

I saw no indication that you were talking about wifom for a no counter scenario. You said "scum literally can't shoot the [cop]" The only reason that would be true is because of a counter.

not to mention the fact that you know there will be a counter since you made this post before roles were sent:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 07:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Of course there will be a counter.

Unless maf is hella lucky in which case the cop will be flipped and there's no way maf claim obviously. But by the same token even if maf hit the cop N0, the game still goes on its not like town straight up lose.

Now, if maf hit the DOCTOR N0, then shenannies start happening because town can't cop claim anymore (unless they cop-checked scum N0).

Alright this is working out. me likey.




On February 28 2014 02:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think this post is Sn0 getting pissed off that I was getting towncred my "noob mistake"

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
oke jjd is actively promoting ways for town to lose tho wtf


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:06 GMT
#314
WTF, BH....?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#315
Or I guess it could be because his drop in activity pointed to being blue in a way.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#317
Hmmmmmmmm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#318
This was overall a very good NK. If it had been me, Artanis or JJD, it wouldn't have helped narrowing it down too much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:11 GMT
#320
Artanis, what do you say about my deathpost reads?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:12 GMT
#322
On February 28 2014 07:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Or they may have felt he was likely to be a cop target.


It's possible too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:17 GMT
#326
I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on Sn0_Man ASAP. As well as any other possible notable scum/townreads. JJD, you're here, what do you think about my deathpost and especially Sn0_Man (although you've already talked about him quite a bit )?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:18 GMT
#327
I don't think Cop should claim just yet. Let's hear what people think first.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:20 GMT
#329
On February 28 2014 07:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's no real reason to rush the claim/vote. Long days give town time to figure shit out.

Not that I'm having much luck figuring anything out myself but w/e. I have faith or something.


HAMMER OF JUSTICE!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:24 GMT
#332
How come I'm 99% and Artanis is lower? :D I think I'm harder to read than him... Or at least I'd like to think so.

I agree that Sylencia would be a good next check probably.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:26 GMT
#334
Yeah, Oats could well be Mafia. I guess if Sylencia turns out to be town then Oats pretty much has to be Mafia.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:34 GMT
#339
I actually think I'm just hindering scumhunting right now by waiting, so I'll go ahead and say it.

I'm the Cop and I checked Sn0_Man. With this I think the most likely scumteam is Oats+Sylencia. It's still possible that one of you (Artanis/JJD) would be Mafia, although I pretty heavily doubt that, so the optimal plan seems to check Sylencia/Oats and have the Doc heal me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:39 GMT
#342
Actually.... If there's a fakeclaim (seems more likely) and we both check the same player (Sylencia/Oats), then... What's the use in healing that targeted player? I'll just die and nothing of value will have been gained?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:46 GMT
#345
I'm 100% certain that it will be either Sylencia or Oats though. If one of them claims Cop, then not him of course...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:48 GMT
#346
And I'd prefer Doc to heal me, of course It depends on him though. It's certainly best if he doesn't claim and chooses by himself, since then scum would have a high risk of targeting me, but also a high risk of NOT targeting me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 22:59 GMT
#350
As a sidenote, I can now clear up a couple of things.

On February 28 2014 04:14 Xatalos wrote:
I also noticed something interesting, but I won't be saying more yet.


On February 28 2014 04:16 Xatalos wrote:
It would pretty much be strictly not beneficial...


This was pure WIFOM meant to confuse scum into thinking that I was VT and noticed a blue tell from someone. Maybe it worked because they probably NK'd BH by bluehunting.

This was also meant for distracting Cop hunters:

On February 27 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote:
It works both ways. Mafia can narrow down their targets, Cop can narrow down his targets. It's hard to say which one is more important.

Anyways, I suggest not checking me or Artanis. I'm pretty sure we're both town. I'm even fairly sure about myself.


This was a breadcrumb for checking Sn0_Man:

Sn0_Man (!) (notice the very different style of showing his name)

I didn't make any other real breadcrumbs in fear of being noticed. I just tried to play really carefree and appear as VT as can be. It seems like I was successful, although I was a bit worried if my overall slight nervousness and "hiding" my opinions were noticed. Apparently not.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 23:05 GMT
#352
Haha, I thought it might have been like that Maybe it was a bit too obvious though. But it seems like it wasn't detected.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 23:07 GMT
#354
Still furiously discussing in ScumQT maybe?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 27 2014 23:07 GMT
#355
Or Sylencia is probably just AFK since he hasn't posted for a long time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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