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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 15:37 GMT
#730
EWBOP
given knowledge of the troll = given knowledge of the situation
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 15:54 GMT
#733
On February 27 2014 00:45 Mocsta wrote:
Toad,
I think you are treating this scenario based on how *YOU* would approach the situation.

Your interpretation is plausible:
RAyn is town, was aware of the OP and demonstrated quick wit which yes, leans heavily towards town over scum.

What you may not be aware of is:
Rayn is a setup man and as either alignment always has firm opinions on how to approach the setup optimally.

The fact that he had the mental acuity to do the miller "joke" instead of berate you is not a solid town tell for someone like Rayn - which Geript rightfully pointed out.

Thus, its also plauisble:
Rayn was aware this was a trap, and dismantled the trap in an optimal manner. This applies as town or scum. i.e. he didnt attack you because the trap was so stupid he would look bad for doing it.

I find the second option more likely.....

okay first of all, my point at this point in time really isn't about rayn being town or not but with geript being caught in a net of lies, like stating he though it's a troll and stuff like that. So I'd rather like you to comment on geript than on rayn, that's the thing that gets us forward.

Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 15:58 GMT
#736
On February 27 2014 00:53 geript wrote:
Toad confirmed liar. Miller thing was trolly and he fucking knows it. His reads for calling Rayn town a fraking stupid; not wonky or weird enough to be towny. Just completely made up and not alignment indicative for anyone let alone Rayn. Third, he's completely taking things out of context and not even trying to understand how you can get a townie response from Rayn while the miller thing on his half is completely null. Anyone who can't see this needs to go back to the newbies for a year. It's completely fucking obvious.


What part of the miller thing was trolly? When and where? Rayn or me? Because I can't believe how anyone would come to the conclusion that either of that is supposed to be trolly.

I also took the idea from another game, so I can actually proof it to be intentionally despite the guy in question not doing it on purpose. I literally called it "the towniest thing I've ever seen a townie post if that was on purpose" or something along those lines, as a town-cop, so you can take those words as 100% granted.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:07 GMT
#740
On February 27 2014 01:01 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 27 2014 00:45 Mocsta wrote:
Toad,
I think you are treating this scenario based on how *YOU* would approach the situation.

Your interpretation is plausible:
RAyn is town, was aware of the OP and demonstrated quick wit which yes, leans heavily towards town over scum.

What you may not be aware of is:
Rayn is a setup man and as either alignment always has firm opinions on how to approach the setup optimally.

The fact that he had the mental acuity to do the miller "joke" instead of berate you is not a solid town tell for someone like Rayn - which Geript rightfully pointed out.

Thus, its also plauisble:
Rayn was aware this was a trap, and dismantled the trap in an optimal manner. This applies as town or scum. i.e. he didnt attack you because the trap was so stupid he would look bad for doing it.

I find the second option more likely.....

okay first of all, my point at this point in time really isn't about rayn being town or not but with geript being caught in a net of lies, like stating he though it's a troll and stuff like that. So I'd rather like you to comment on geript than on rayn, that's the thing that gets us forward.

Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so.
Yeah i got the thing was to do with Geript. I was just commenting on that specific piece.

With Geript, im still null with him; but personally hes not the type of guy I feel comfortable with lynching Day 1.
Further, whilst I kinda get where you are coming from.. I feel some things are being given a toad interpretation.

When I think of my motives when I play scum, and how my scum mates played in GSL mini.. i dont think we were trying to blatantly piss people off early Day1.
You are poking aroudn for opportunities and yes, if you see them you will go for it (case in point: Rayn).. i dunno i just think a scum guy would have dropped this by now. Geripts maintained his position much like yourself and avoided discussing anything else.. much like yourself

to me this really reads more like town CB than scum feigning.

Another reason why Im suspect of Chz. Hes picking and choosing what to comment on and is actively adjusting his reads with thread sentiment.


geript isn't dropping it because he's omgus'ing me as a "defence"... There's multiple people stating that what I said about rayn made sense, you may add yourself to that list if you consider that "I see how you could think so, but I don't think it's the only explanation so it's a null for me" of yours as agreeing with my read on rayn.

He's literally the only guy in the thread that says reading rayn as town from my PoV makes no sense and wants to lynch me based on that. Even worse, he says it's a null and that's why I need to be lynched. That's the definition of omgus.

He's not doing anthing, he's getting in the thread yelling "NO YOU" as a defence. He could easily stop doing that as town and just do something else, if he's doing that as mafia he's not going to stop it because he picked that as his defence.
I'm trying to get mafia lynched here.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:10 GMT
#743
On February 27 2014 01:06 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 27 2014 00:53 geript wrote:
Toad confirmed liar. Miller thing was trolly and he fucking knows it. His reads for calling Rayn town a fraking stupid; not wonky or weird enough to be towny. Just completely made up and not alignment indicative for anyone let alone Rayn. Third, he's completely taking things out of context and not even trying to understand how you can get a townie response from Rayn while the miller thing on his half is completely null. Anyone who can't see this needs to go back to the newbies for a year. It's completely fucking obvious.


What part of the miller thing was trolly? When and where? Rayn or me? Because I can't believe how anyone would come to the conclusion that either of that is supposed to be trolly.

I also took the idea from another game, so I can actually proof it to be intentionally despite the guy in question not doing it on purpose. I literally called it "the towniest thing I've ever seen a townie post if that was on purpose" or something along those lines, as a town-cop, so you can take those words as 100% granted.

Calling for Millers to claim in a game where there aren't millers is a complete troll and you know that. Good thing I got rid of the "too stupid to be scum" heuristic because it would apply here.

Read the game. You're calling me a liar in a game that I flipped town-confirmed parity cop right now.
This isn't getting you anywhere.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:14 GMT
#747
On February 27 2014 01:12 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 01:07 Toadesstern wrote:
He's literally the only guy in the thread that says reading rayn as town from my PoV makes no sense and wants to lynch me based on that. Even worse, he says it's a null and that's why I need to be lynched. That's the definition of omgus.

No that's not what I'm saying about the rayn read. I'm calling your reasons for calling him town complete BS. I can totally see many players thinking Rayn's town for that comment; that's fine imo. The problem is that your reasons for calling him town have nothing whatsoever to do with the "easiest townread ever" thing. Like his response was completely towny for most people because of how spontaneous and funny it is; that's super hard to recreate as scum. But your reasoning has zero to do with any obvious reason for why he's town and all to do with things that are completely BS, don't really fit with rayn's town meta and aren't alignment indicative for anyone.

how you don't understand how those 3 points I stated are town-reads is beyond me. I'm done with you. You die today.

You're calling me liar in a game that's already over, that I flipped town in for Christs sake. This can't get any better.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:21 GMT
#754
From SMB-Mafia, quick tl;dr:
  • Vayne gets in the thread, asks for people to claim miller in a game that has no self-aware millers
  • the following happens:
    On January 16 2014 09:50 Toadesstern wrote:
    if vayne is trying to make a mafia fakeclaim a role that doesn't exist, then yes, explaining that there are no self-aware millers is something that gets you retard-points.

    The half mafia-point because it's the usual "i want to help out but I'm actually just posting whatever" attitute he has
    On January 16 2014 09:50 Toadesstern wrote:
    actually wtf, that wasn't on purpose?
    On January 16 2014 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
    No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking.

    you literally made the best post I've ever seen someone make on p1 of a game and end up making it by accident and it wasn't even intentionally, so sad.

  • I end up with a mafia read on him later on but that's besides the point


I was a parity cop in that game. You can literally take those words for granted. I liked what he was doing and thought I'd do the same as I already saw Mattchew claiming Miller in a set-up that had no self-aware millers as well. Obviously got himself lynched d1. No harm in trying this out.

There is absolutely no way for someone to call me trolling if that's my take on this situation from another game that's already over, a game that I ended up being town.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:32 GMT
#765
On February 27 2014 01:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
4) He comes up with a townread on rayn
So Geript comes up with a townread on rayn based on the conversation and calls me null, because reading rayn as town makes no sense. He's reading him as town himself for christs sake and dares to tell me my townread makes no sense?

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Best of geript

1) My townread on Rayn makes no sense
It makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones.
  1. Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
  2. Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
  3. There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.

Yah, it's super easy because your reasons for calling him town are completely fail. You "completely get" how I can have a townread on him for how he responds but that doesn't factor into ANY OF YOUR REASONS for him being town. Like Rayn not calling you a retard doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. Rayn not causing chaos and confusion actually makes him more likely to be scum; have you even seen half of his town games. Every other game or so Rayn is fucking awful as town and is worse for town than if he were scum; hell he'd even say this. More importantly, he doesn't operate to cause chaos and confusion as scum; he tries to lead town to mislynches all along the way. Saving lynchbait Toadescum for later is a peachy keen plan. Rayn calling you town doesn't make him anything in this or any other situation. You visably recognize and understand how I can have a townread on him, your beef is that it doesn't extend to you for something that's completely trolly and 100% not alignment indicative of ANYONE LET ALONE YOU BISH. Get over it scum.


Read this post. READ IT.

If you bring it down to 3 phrases he literally states 3 things here:
  1. Toad understands my townread on Rayn, as he has the exact same townread I have on rayn
  2. He states that my townread on Rayn makes no sense according to him
  3. He states that I have to be mafia because my townread on Rayn makes no sense

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:34 GMT
#766
On February 27 2014 01:28 geript wrote:
Toadescum. Idgaf what you think or ever thought about claiming miller. It's trolly regardless and I wish Palmar were here to help lynch you.




Just proved it's not a troll. Just gave you a game that shows my opnion about it in which I ended up being town. And you ignore it with a "whatever, still scum"
That's the way to go
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:36 GMT
#767
okay, anything else?

I'm going to ignore geript for the rest of the day seeing as he'll be lynched as selfclaimed mafia anyways. I'm free to talk about other people, there's bound to be more mafia out there.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 16:56 GMT
#772
On February 27 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 01:42 geript wrote:
I would also like to point out that Toad is probably mafia for not getting himself modkilled.

huh?

I got myself modkilled once in the period of 3 years of TL mafia. I know it was a game hosted by greymist no idea which one.

Splendid reasoning as always. Toad has to be mafia when he's not dead by default on d1. Can't get any easier to call someone mafia, can it?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 17:10 GMT
#775
someone I'd be much happier to read after geript has flipt red.

He goes along with my thoughprocess in this whole discussion about geript which is obviously something I like. He therefore ends up voting geript as well.
His "defence" on me is somewhat weird so. Like mocsta is someone who's clearly still somewhat suspicious about me but he's clear about it. And then there's other people going the other way who are very clear about it like rayn.
I don't like people implying I'm townish without outright saying it basicly, which is the only beef I've got with him right now.

And I'm certainly not going to vote the guy who's the only other guy voting geript with me
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 17:25 GMT
#777
On February 27 2014 02:22 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
someone I'd be much happier to read after geript has flipt red.

He goes along with my thoughprocess in this whole discussion about geript which is obviously something I like. He therefore ends up voting geript as well.
His "defence" on me is somewhat weird so. Like mocsta is someone who's clearly still somewhat suspicious about me but he's clear about it. And then there's other people going the other way who are very clear about it like rayn.
I don't like people implying I'm townish without outright saying it basicly, which is the only beef I've got with him right now.

And I'm certainly not going to vote the guy who's the only other guy voting geript with me

If I flip red though, why would you bother reading Chyz or however it's spelled. Like that's one of the stupidest things anyone could say. Like you're happy he's voting with you now, but when I flip red, then you're willing to take a serious look at him? That's real fucking scummy bro.

Read as in, make a read on him.
Him being mafia and you being mafia is a contradiction to me. The only thing I've got on him is that he's maybe soft-calling me town, while you claimed mafia in the thread, so yes I'm ignoring him for now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 17:49 GMT
#782
On February 27 2014 02:42 geript wrote:
Nah dude, as in you are semi suspicious of someone on your wagon but you're happy to mislynch them later. Like there's not even any suspicion about the fact that lots of people have me in the null zone but he's happy to follow your wagon with a super questionable scum read on me. Like how is it that you aren't even evaluating whose following your read to analyze if it's a good read?

because the people I want to hear back from aren't here right now.

HF called you out for bullshit but left it at that.
Rayn did so as well but said he isn't sure if you're just being confused.
WoS still hasn't answered anything beyond the point of "I thought he didn't understand the situation so it's a null"

But good thing calling me out on not re-evaluating my read when you're literally the only guy in this thread that thinks I'm being scummy and vote me for having the same townread you have on rayn. So from trying to defend yourself with omgus you now go on to defend yourself by "see this scummy guy? he's totally voting for me" when noone has flipped yet. But like I said, I'm out for now, done talking with you for real, this leads to nothing, especially if the people I need to convince aren't here.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 18:01 GMT
#787
On February 27 2014 02:52 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you arguing with your scum read toad? He doesn't need convincing if he's scum and if you think you've found scum you should be having conversations with us not him


I do 2 things:
  • I quote his stuff to show you where he's lying to show you guys he's mafia, like the part where he said I'm trolling, which makes no sense whatsoever from his PoV if he's town. But you're probably best off checking those bigger posts I did to see that for yourself and why that's a thing
  • to make sure the lies he's spouting about me don't end up being in the thread as statements that people may consider as something true. Like how I have to be a liar when I said it wasn't trolling despite saying so in one of my recent games as a fricking town parity-cop
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 18:07 GMT
#789
On February 27 2014 03:04 Vivax wrote:
Toad you're overestimating the impact of people saying that you troll or lie in other games, I don't think that anybody cares besides geript. You are encouraged to stop defending your integrity and find scum.

Well I found geript... but yeah like I said I'm going to ignore him from now on and look for the other two. Will probably get to it after eating
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 20:28 GMT
#847
any thoughts on this you two

On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote:
Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up:


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote.

so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain.

##vote geript

Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you?


Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together.


?
This still rubs me in all the wrong ways
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 20:37 GMT
#857
On February 27 2014 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fucking shit geript has to be town.
but please please don't be like thins geript. okay?

dude don't let take too stupid to be town as a towntell...

He's been omgus'ing me the entire day
When he saw that's not working he started spouting lies
And now that that's not working, you both got in the thread and told him to shut up he realized that's not working either and he's going for that...

It's like a tour around the block to see what works...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 20:38 GMT
#861
On February 27 2014 05:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fucking shit geript has to be town.
but please please don't be like thins geript. okay?

dude don't let take too stupid to be town as a towntell...

He's been omgus'ing me the entire day
When he saw that's not working he started spouting lies
And now that that's not working, you both got in the thread and told him to shut up he realized that's not working either and he's going for that...

It's like a tour around the block to see what works...

EBWOP
too stupid to be mafia as a towntell... shouldn't play hearthstone while typing
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 26 2014 20:49 GMT
#875
On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta?

bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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