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On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.
Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you
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On March 01 2014 15:31 Vivax wrote:
I think lynching geript is a better idea
Although I don't think geript would be a better lynch atm I think there is something to this that maybe can be explored further. I was kinda thinking that for the most part geript was after toad almost the whole time without really reading into anybody else. So it could have been a play for the lategame so that if one of them dies that the other looks pretty townie for it.
On February 28 2014 11:08 geript wrote:
The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad.
After the flip this is what geript has said about toad. Scum were down to 2 (since they start with 3, right?) and it seems like such a release of the gas pedal from 100% toad to just easing off of him. They probably didn't want to go at each others throats anymore in worry that one might get the other lynched and it would be 1 vs town.
On February 28 2014 17:50 geript wrote:
Votecount
Mocsta (1) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern
geript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern
TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki
Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript
JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript, Gumshoe
gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks
WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
suki (1) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet
Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki
Not Voting (2)- raynpelikoneet, Cavalinho, Ange777
Ok so here's the votecount that you posted (I added in not voting for completeness). Look what happens when you color it in and remove the strikethroughs.
Votecount
Mocsta (1) - Vivax
geript (2) - TheChyz, Toadesstern
TheChyz (1) - suki
Toadesstern (1) - Geript
JarJarDrinks (1) - Gumshoe
gumshoe (1) - JarJarDrinks
WaveofShadow (0) -
suki (1) - Holyflare
Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta
Not Voting (2)- raynpelikoneet, Cavalinho, Ange777
Like I know you're a little iffy about Mocsta in a "save it for later" way, but I'm kinda iffy about gumshoe in the same way so I'm splitting the difference and calling them both green. I think we both agree that Chyz is green so no problem there. Look how pretty a split of scum that is; like this is what I'm used to seeing for a mid-day 1 scum vote split. That feels really good; the problem is the following:
Votecount
Mocsta (5) - Vivax, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, [red]suki[red], Cavalinho
geript (1) - TheChyz
TheChyz (0) -
Toadesstern (1) - Geript
JarJarDrinks (0) -
gumshoe (0) -
WaveofShadow (0) -
suki (5) - Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777
Vivax (1) - Mocsta
When you look at it, this means that for that perfect vote split to be true, scum pretty much went all out to try to save suki. Like usually you don't commit more than 2 people to try and save someone. That means that we still need to look at gumshoe, ange, chyz and mocsta. Like less than Toad, JJD, Cavalinho but there'd normally be a the third scum not on Mocsta in this situation.
In bold at the bottom is so strange to me because he basically says that we should look at myself, gum, ang and mocsta instead of toad, jjd, cava? Thats just seems like he's trying to ease off the possible pressure that could be coming toad's way.
The last scum (assuming we started with 3, god can someone confirm that its 3, or is it possible for 4?) is probably going to be able to blend in well since he/she doesn't have to worry about their fellow teamates, and with geript there isn't much to read off of him apart from him going hard on toad and calling ALOT of people as town reads and not really giving much scum reads
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Most of the cases of me being scum seems to do alot with my voting near the deadline.
On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.
However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.
Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc? Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will
If I was scum then I had an easy chance to take an out. With votes on moc and suki as the majority I was given an out where I could have voted on moc instead of suki. Note this was just 15 minutes before the deadline. Do you guys really think that the person you have been calling noob all game would be able to bus onto their gf and hope to ride the game till the late game when I could have easily made some reason to lynch moc instead. No. I don't care if you think I'm scum because of things I did before since I have played pretty shit but the argument on me for the last few minutes before the lynch is complete and utter garbage.
Anyway I don't know what people are thinking but so far the scum targets on mocsta are 2/3 confirmed. Why stop now? The only people that should be up for a lynch should only be JJD and cava unless somebody is able to provide substantial evidence otherwise. Out of the two I think JJD is the scummiest but will have to filter dive them both.
Also all this "If you lynch me, please lynch _____ the next day" is utter BS. If you think the other person is scum why wont you make a case. JJD and gum especially haven't made a single decent case on each other lately other than saying "lynch him, hes scum 100%". That doesn't help town in the slightest and is just clogging up the thread with literally useless posts.
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Meh, in hindsight I was probably just really tunnelly on geript and the better decision would have to probably been to vote on suki. But in the end it turns out it would not have even mattered
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Gumshoe, just out of curiosity why did you claim when you did? Don't you think it would have been better to just not claim and wait for scum to shoot you and therefore your 100% confirmed town and scum wastes a shot. And even if you are about to have been lynch you could have just blue claimed and you would basically not be able to get lynched. Just the timing of your claim with regards to the role you have is strange. Also at this point we can't really confirm it cause the only way is for scum to shoot you (which they wont) so its safe to assume your going to be alive all game long. May be just me being paranoid but that could be a good cover up as scum. Anyway, just wanna know why you felt compelled to claim so early when you didn't need to?
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Cause no shit she would want to be saved. The fact that I didn't vote on moc and save suki is a good start to not being scum. Also 15 minutes before deadline I was practically given an out by you to say more on moc or suki. I could have just as well made some BS excuse for moc and saved suki.
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I should have in hindsight. Just wanted to keep on geript in spite of him. I was around the whole deadline, so if anybody last minute switched I could have cast my vote then.
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On March 03 2014 03:43 Vivax wrote:
And why weren't you spiteful towards suki when she had been constantly pushing you?
I don't like people pushing me.
Damned if I do, damned if I don't it seems. People complain that I'm overdefensive but complain if I don't defend. Anyways, here arguments were pretty weak and especially here "meta" case on me from our last game was complete trash. If I got any more traction from others I felt pretty confident I could shut down the arguments easily. Therefore I didn't feel the need to have to defend myself on a terrible case
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Hey JJD, why did you have your second scum read on moc day 1? Rereading your filter day 1 you don't provide any reasons as to why you think he is scum except that he is your second scum read. Explain please.
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Because he wasn't on moc. The only people I think should be up for lynch now is JJD and cava. Me trying to push harder onto geript when it's not beneficial for town imo.
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Ok I think I've read enough. NOTHING whatsoever is spoken about anything scummy about moc.
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
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On March 01 2014 08:15 geript wrote:
JJD's likely to be Mia on the weekends. Like it's another good reason to lynch him.
On March 01 2014 23:47 geript wrote:
Like I said, waste of time. HF I'm really torn between JJD/Cav. Like Cav looks really scummy but he's got a few things that look really towny too. Wanna help?
On March 02 2014 00:20 geript wrote:
##unvote
##vote Cavalinho
I can't really express it, but I think JJD's town. I still expect those posts tho JJD
On March 02 2014 00:21 geript wrote:
For the record it has nothing to do with JJD's recent posting.
On March 02 2014 00:54 geript wrote:VotecountMocsta (1) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadessterngeript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, ToadessternTheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript, Gumshoe gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivaxsuki (1) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneetVivax (2) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki Not Voting (2)- raynpelikoneet, Cavalinho, Ange777
Ok so it's like really odd for 2 scum to be on me at this point. Scum really like to spread out their votes. Besides, like Chyz has been really, really towny all game. Noob but really towny. Ok so Chyz gets a pass for me. On JJD: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit? This is a really, really hard post for scum to make. It's clear frustration. Like when you read his filter, he's tunneled on my gummybear the whole time, but he still gets off of him at points in really towny ways. So like the only person left not on Suki is Cav. Process of elimination.
On March 02 2014 05:18 geript wrote:
Look gummy bear I know you want to be right too. And if you are I'll personally dance naked in the streets signing how amazingly you played this game. I'll even take photos just for you. But me and JJD have history. I really think he's town. And my townreads have been damn good so far. Like Cav is really the first best option.
Geripts logic --> lynch JJD -- torn between JJD/cava -- don't know why but JJD is town, votes cava -- JJD being town has nothing to do with recent posts tho -- uses some shitty argument which makes NO sense to me other than a feels read -- another feel read.
In conclusion, why would anybody listen to you geript? All you have basically said is that JJD feels like town to you. I don't really care how good your feels are, but that isn't good enough imo. So if you have an actual case that you think you can make that proves cava over a JJD lynch then be my guest. But there are way too many holes in JJD's play that seem way too scummy with all of these flips.
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Does the RB go through if the RB'er is killed on the same night?
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Ahh ok. I forgot that you even said that.
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JJD seems like he will be modkilled from not voting anyway. Looks like he probably gave up.
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I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch.
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It makes sense in my head but its hard to explain. It's like if JJD is scum he will die no matter what. It's hard to explain the rest, i've like retyped this shit 5 times but I can't get it to make sense when I type it out. Basically just ignore my comment for now because theres not even enough time to do it even if it's the better play.
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On March 03 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote:
Hey JJD, why did you have your second scum read on moc day 1? Rereading your filter day 1 you don't provide any reasons as to why you think he is scum except that he is your second scum read. Explain please.
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On March 03 2014 08:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And I thought suki was town like vivax said. Moc was a suspect of mine alot but I certainly wasnt sure of him because what I still think was a scumslip of gumshoe. I wasnt happy Moc was the alt wagon but I voted him cause I liked suki. I really just wanted gumshoe lynched.
You still havent given a reason why you think he was a suspect, you just keep saying he is. I'm a 3 meters tall, but I will never show you a photo. Does that make sense to you? Cause that is what your argument is sounding like.
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