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On February 07 2014 17:56 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 15:27 suki wrote:
Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read. Quoting this since shorter  If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good. You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play.
How big do you think your filter is going to be before lynch D1?
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No idea. Should be my largest D1 filter at least. But that is not really saying much.
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Sidesprang. Can you give me this:
Towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
null:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scum scum:
Just names is ok. But think about your answers.
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lol the meta read says that you are currently playing worse Sidesprang, did you read it?
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Oatsie, my man. I am totes town right?
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I'll take that as a yes.
Do you think both jayb and Jonny are scum? I doubt it tbh.
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I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad.
What do you think of Suki and Balla?
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k, dont wanna give out town / nullreads tho cause I don't see the town benefit in doing so.
Currently I got three people on my watchlist.
JayB: This guy was an easy townread for me last game. ATM I'm not getting that at all, he made loads of bad posts so far, which don't make you scum. But I'm not getting the same easy read as last game which makes me wanting to see more contributions from him.
Jonny: A lot of the same as JayB. Had this guy as an easy townread in my Newbie game. Not getting the same vibe atm. He got a Balla case coming up tho, so let's see where that goes.
Oats: He sheeped onto JayB, and seems certain he is scum. Without adding his own thoughts. He was also quick to jump on Suki when aqua mentioned her, which I found wierd seeing how certain he acted against JayB.
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On February 07 2014 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol the meta read says that you are currently playing worse Sidesprang, did you read it?
It says im playing different ?
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different=worse.
What is your read on Suki? Also whats wrong with sheeping? Am I scummy if Im right on who I sheep onto?
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On February 07 2014 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad.
What do you think of Suki and Balla?
If they are scum. Scum is too happy to play this game. Scum shouldn't be so happy. They both are trolling a good amount, but they are serious when they have to be serious. I don't see them brush away serious questions with trolling.
Balla just posted insanely well, I can't be bothered to think he is scum. I am quite paranoia normally but I am actaully already willing to make Balla unlychable for D1 and I could even sheep him. I am really interested in what Jonny is going to tell us.
Suki plays a bit different I would say, she is trying to be more in the spotlight than last game. I don't know if I think the trolling is actually scummy. It's different but not scummy.
You want to know "What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived?"
--> the fact that he actually sketched the situation on PRE GAME posts. Like who the fuck cares that Toad made the joke that I would have to play 3 vs 9 mafia. It is completely unnecessairly to add that and it makes the case extremely forced.
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On February 07 2014 18:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
different=worse.
What is your read on Suki? Also whats wrong with sheeping? Am I scummy if Im right on who I sheep onto?
Why is different = worse, when you got a bad game to begin with? To try to improve your game you need change something.
Sheeping don't make a guy scum, don't matter if the guy you are sheeping onto is scum or not. It does however make me want to keep a closer eye on you. Especially since you basically did it twice.
Regarding Suki, she is a hard read for me given I think she plays scum really well. I see nothing pointing towards her being scum atm, and I think the trolling / fun opening is more likely town indicative then scum. Because why open like that if you got good scumgame ?
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Oats. Veteran question. Look at this quote from jayB:
On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy. Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about. Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.
Before this post I was puzzled about the reasoning of jayB and why he thought he found me scum. It was almost too scummy to be scum. But this post actually made me rethink that and made me think that he actually had a townie mindset going after me.
The problem I am having here is that if he actually is town, why wasn't he able to make that shine through faster? This quote is near the end of page 3 off his filter. To me it feels like he finally was able to twist his story into something that could come from town. But why couldn't he do it earlier? That reponse instantly would have made me back off and not think twice, this time I backed off but now that I think about it again I am puzzled.
Your opinion?
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I gave the first analysis on suki, the only thing I sheeped was aqua asking about suki.
how is suki town because she totally ignores jayb's case and thinks he is too tryhard and therefore scum? URGHGHHH
fine.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang
Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum, he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either.
bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game.
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have you played a lot with sidesprang Oats?
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Why isn't he bad town? It kinda looks like LM his cases previous game and you were spot on there.
Also can you comment on the jayB thing I asked earlier?
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When I said bad town I actually mean new town.
Sidesprang, what do you want to talk about m8. Let's talk a bit.
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EPT
