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The two posts are not contradictory. The emphasis is on how he is in such a rush to get into super-serious-scum-hunt mode, and how this attitude is making him look bad.
As for things that made him contrived:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D
My immediate response is, "... Is that supposed to be a joke post because it's in this weird limbo of serious and joking that just makes it seem calculated and forced."
On February 07 2014 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 08:12 Koshi wrote:
Jonny do you feel like JayB really thinks I am scum? I could call you scum. Pre-Game On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote:
But I will post like I am a kid with a lollypop and the sun is shining. How do you assume Balla's alignment? On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. Here are more excuses from Koshi. On February 07 2014 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Heads up. I always make shit cases.
I have made 2 good cases in the 16 games I played.
True story. What happened to a kid with a lollipop? On February 07 2014 07:46 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:44 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. Koshi would be way more happy if he got a alignment pm that was town. I don't see it. ##Unvote
##Vote Koshi Poor jayB. Koshi doesn't need to be happy at the start. Scum Koshi would need to fake that. Town Koshi will shine through and will never get lynched. Click on my profile. Look at all the towngames. Koshi hasn't been lynched since Titanic. Won't happen this game. HEY YOU STOP STEALING MY THUNDER /end jokey rank
Blah blah blah. Then he posts his big gigantic case where he quotes pre-game quotes and his verdict is Koshi is scum because he's not happy enough. How is that not contrived?
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The emphasis is on how he is in such a rush to get into super-serious-scum-hunt mode, and how this attitude is making him look bad.
How is this scummy in the slightest?
The first quote is serious until the end, dunno what exactly makes you confused.
The second quote is also questionably humorous but johnny did just post pretty much exactly what jay posted.
My definition of contrived is faked. None of the quotes look faked. They look awkward when you say them sure, but they arent fake.
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On February 07 2014 14:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +The emphasis is on how he is in such a rush to get into super-serious-scum-hunt mode, and how this attitude is making him look bad. How is this scummy in the slightest? The first quote is serious until the end, dunno what exactly makes you confused. The second quote is also questionably humorous but johnny did just post pretty much exactly what jay posted. My definition of contrived is faked. None of the quotes look faked. They look awkward when you say them sure, but they arent fake. Vote for suki2014
Agreed. I remember plenty of times where town jay from last game said things like the second quote too. I'm pretty surprised you don't remember these:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2014 13:15 jaybrundage wrote:THIS GUY EDITED I FOUND THE SCUM On February 04 2014 16:28 jaybrundage wrote:Oats im going to bed its your shift to keep the conversation flowing.  MAKE ME PROUD! On February 05 2014 02:35 jaybrundage wrote:
SUKI GONNA RUSTLE SOME JIMMIES
I like your case seems well thought out and pretty straight forward logic. The first big case of the thread :D On February 05 2014 10:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Fine Jonny ill start playing the game gosh... On February 05 2014 11:53 jaybrundage wrote:
WATCH IT BUDDY I DID ELABORATE
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I've had a skim through most of the people in this thread and I want to bring people's attention to one person in particular:
Sidesprang
Sidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games.
I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter.
With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game.
Meta analysis in spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum.
sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games.
He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me.
I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply.
The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...'
In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye.
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This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him.
The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games.
The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting.
So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game.
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In the previous game Jay also didn't write giant cases like the one he wrote here. One of the big problems we had with him is that he talked too much policy and didn't scum hunt enough.
Obviously he's changed his style, but he's done a complete 180. And my gut says it feels more forced than it should be, but if you don't see it then we can agree to disagree.
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Regardless I think Jay's under too much pressure and he needs space to contribute so we can evaluate him when he's not inside a pressure cooker.
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I dont see it and I think that you hopped on lynchbait. Why isnt your vote on sidesprang?
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On February 07 2014 14:55 suki wrote:
Regardless I think Jay's under too much pressure and he needs space to contribute so we can evaluate him when he's not inside a pressure cooker.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Yh7eD.jpg)
hehe
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On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote:
Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff.
That is a sick sick catch Balla, My King. The fact that Jonny hasn't jumped on Jay at all is really suspicious, especially Jay's post where you pointed out he was making excuses for no reason.
Another thing I noticed about Jonny is that he spends a lot of time saying how stupid your opening post is, but that's all it amounts to. Just adding fluff to the game. He appreciates I start the game 'with style' by asking him this question "Why the hell is a giant post that balla OBVIOUSLY wrote before the roles were revealed, make him scum?", and then proceeds to ignore my question and continue to berate balla for the bad post.
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wahaha My King you are funny :D
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Oats why isn't your vote on me?
Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is.
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On February 07 2014 15:07 suki wrote:
Oats why isn't your vote on me?
Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is.
what. I think you dont understand the meaning of 'objectively' scummy. You havent explained anything about his tryhardness making him scum or why his case was bad, or why his stuff is forced. Like half this shit is subjective.
##VOTE SUKI
WAGON OF JUSTICE
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lol get off my case Oats.
I told you why I thought Jay's play was forced and why I think it's scummy and you don't agree with it. What else am I going to do?
His case against Koshi is BAD. Seriously. Koshi is scum because he's not happy?
Tell me why you think his case against Koshi is good and maybe we can have a decent discussion.
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On February 07 2014 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 15:07 suki wrote:
Oats why isn't your vote on me?
Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is. what. I think you dont understand the meaning of 'objectively' scummy. You havent explained anything about his tryhardness making him scum or why his case was bad, or why his stuff is forced. Like half this shit is subjective. ##VOTE SUKIWAGON OF JUSTICE
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##vote suki
+ Show Spoiler +Getting in the sleeper car and going to sleep. Gotta see where this train goes!
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My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen?
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On February 07 2014 15:14 suki wrote:
lol get off my case Oats.
I told you why I thought Jay's play was forced and why I think it's scummy and you don't agree with it. What else am I going to do?
His case against Koshi is BAD. Seriously. Koshi is scum because he's not happy?
Tell me why you think his case against Koshi is good and maybe we can have a decent discussion.
you can not call him 'objectively' scum.
His case against koshi is bad, but it doesnt make him scum.
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On February 07 2014 15:18 suki wrote:
My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen?
The knot has not yet been tied. It takes not just one eve to plan such a sacred event as matrimony. The evidence you have brought forth has led me and my people (who all are regarded as relatively trustworthy advisers) to believe that you are acting in a manner that is not beneficial to this fine and beautiful kingdom. We will discuss this on the morrow, as I shall retreat to the confines and safety of my chambers ALONE.
In the meantime, if you feel so inclined, could you share your thoughts on our friendly jester Jonnylaw. Is he one of our more loyal fools?
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Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read.
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Our Jester JonnyLaw has only participated in the thread when there were but four of us in the chamber.
I wish to see him dance and tell tales now that the castle is alive with our many guests, before forming any further opinions of his conduct.
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