EPTIt has been a long, long time since I've done these and was missing them the other day, so I want to try my hand again.
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It has been a long, long time since I've done these and was missing them the other day, so I want to try my hand again. | ||
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1. Lots of early discussion about the two plans + Show Spoiler + He talked a lot about the two plans and asked others about them, and said so many things about them that people were mixing up which plan he was talking about. Not necessarily scummy in and of itself, but a very easy topic to talk about if you don't actually want to start making reads on people 2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming + Show Spoiler + This seemed like another very easy thing to do, but in his accusation he doesn't really explain why it's scummy, just that "it's all bad." It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did. On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. I also dislike the sentationalism in this, "his little act," etc., especially in combination with a lack of explanation as to why this means he's scum. It reminds me of Mocsta scum from when I played with him a year ago. 3. Defensive tone + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the question. Or the accusation. On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum. It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes? On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that. 4. Wishy-washy demeanor + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned. 5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim. Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? Note the lack of reasoning for his agreement, but the suggestion that others should talk about it 6. "Giving up" on his Wiley scum read and switching to a more convenient target + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying. I can give Slam more time I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge Read: The more people disagree with me, the more I think I should stop pushing for his lynch. I will now randomly vote for someone somebody else made a case on without any further reasoning. Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge. VE is scummy in tone, content, and voting patterns, and my top scum read now. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On January 21 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote: ew get away from me jl ##unvote balla lol | ||
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On January 21 2014 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is lynching you VE. Could you care to explain why VE is town despite him obsessing with everyone's opinions of him and blatant sheeping? I made a whole case about him which everyone has completely ignored in the middle of your penis-measuring contest with Artanis. | ||
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On January 21 2014 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Well lynch me then. I can't help a town unwilling to help themselves. Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose! | ||
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You have no problem with someone saying "Lynch me, then?" Martyrdom doesn't seem like a town trait to me | ||
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1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened. I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization. 2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote. | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not scummy -> scummy later on. yeah this dude is scum. Others have mentioned this but because it's addressed directly at me, let me just say that originally not calling his vote scummy doesn't mean it's not now part of a larger body of evidence for his scumminess. Crossfire's return does seem mostly self-serving and non-contributing to me. I want to know why kush thinks his explanation is so town and not scummy. | ||
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I still am suspicious of him but maybe that is bias, so I'm going to step back and renew my reads on everyone now. ##Unvote VisceraEyes | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you. Followed by this: On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while. If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks. The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves. | ||
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On January 22 2014 01:39 BarristanTheBold wrote: Yo, zare: So basically what you're saying is that you're not a real townie? That's clearly different. I realized I may have subconsciously tunneled in order to support my hunch and thus I needed to re-evaluate. Bum unvoted because nobody else was listening to him. | ||
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On January 22 2014 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Where he's calling out things in his case that he defended me for earlier on. I don't know what you're talking about here | ||
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That particular point in my case was a little bit tunneled, but the idea was that all of his opinions are tempered -- he's "KINDA okay," he's "mostly indifferent," he's "giving benefit of the doubt." When I said "wishy-washy" I think a better term would have been noncomittal or "meh." Again, as I said earlier, this was digging a little deep and maybe I was subconsciously tunneling. But that argument is different than the one suki made (and I had corrected). | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I still think you're scum. You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game. irony | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: And when this all has ended and you don't anymore think that stuff makes VE mafia, you are voting the dude who made the same conclusions than you did in the first place. High five! We're not voting for an entire mafia team at once, we're voting for who we think is most likely mafia. It would be stupid to not think someone's mafia because they targeted the same guy as you once | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what zarepath has done in this game: - made a case on VE. case does not say why VE is mafia. - case is full of things zarepath has defended VE for earlier on in the game -> now they are just reworded to look scummy instead - case is also full of things that are certainly not alignment indicative, like VE is defensive when he is curious about what someone's post says. - never tries to push the case, or ask anyone's opinion about the case. - when he finally does that, i give an opinion. suddenly the case is not good anymore, he himself says so and let's it go. - then he calls out bumatlarge, who has done the exact same thing (made a case on VE and then retracted from it) and votes for him. bumatlarge is scum because "he let go of the case as noone believes him" but his own reason is something really townie - When he has never even explained why anything he has said makes VE mafia, and when someone asks he says "hush hush, go away, i let go of my case, look how good townie i am, i might have been tunneled". That's bullshit, so very bullshit, all of it. - case DOES say - case doesn't have ANYTHING in it I defended him for earlier - the not-alignment indicative stuff I can agree with, it was stretching at points - I totally absolutely DID ask people's opinion about the case, as you just admitted in your next point - why do you think I asked for an opinion? because I wanted people to admire it? No, because I want people to agree and find someone I think is scum, or for them tell me why it's not a good case so we can stop wasting time hunting non-scum - bumatlarge made a big deal about how he would NEVER revoke his vote and then did it simply because nobody else believed him, NOT because he changed his mind. Very different and very scummy. You're mischaracterizing everything I do and using hyperbole to paint me a certain way and it's not good for town. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:15 Balla24 wrote: Also in relation to that quote that VE and JL just posted: says VE is defensive in his big case, yet when VE is not defensive he calls him out for it. So what exactly do you want him to do zarepath? My case was that he was being overly-defensive, not the fact that he was defending himself at all. And there is a big difference between simply not being over-defensive and saying "lynch me, town." It is not inconsistent to criticize both behaviors. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i am not. What in your case made VE scum? You ahve still not proven it. Cases don't MAKE people scum; I listed why I suspected him to be scum, and some of my suspicions were tunneled and so I've stepped back. He is STILL suspicious for bieng so quick to vote Wile, then quick to drop and vote for someone else (without a reason to vote for that person, ONLY giving reasons for no longer voting for Wile). So no, I'm not pushing it anymore because it was a bad case, but that doesn't mean I didn't suspect him and can no longer suspect him. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i have already pointed out where you defended VE and later on they were points in your case "why VE is mafia". So cut the crap, start reading the thread and answer your contradictions. If by "defend" you mean saying it was ok for VE to suspect WileE, and then later in my case saying it was evidence for scumminess, okay, I can see that contradiction. But at the time he did that, he hadn't already completely dropped that vote for someone else without explaining why he was voting for that someone else, establishing a pattern. The pattern is what made me suspicious and see that first immediate vote as evidence, when before it seemed like a normalish reaction (albeit hasty). | ||
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Sure, he MIGHT think he'll just get him later, but that's inconsistent with what he said earlier, and he didn't say it or suggest it; meanwhile what he DID say in this universe is scummy | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:25 Balla24 wrote: lol Aristotle? You mean artanis? No, I meant Aristotle. That guy got away with so much and everybody's all "oooh, what a great philosopher, ooh." Well, he's been absent for thousands of years. | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:26 kushm4sta wrote: Balla why are you voting zare? There is nothing scummy therre. Yes rayn is town and probably jl too but that doesn't make them righT preach it brother | ||
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On January 22 2014 05:41 kushm4sta wrote: fuck no are we lynching wiley. blues are immune remember we agreed to that? no no, he has to claim blue after we put him up for lynch, then we can't | ||
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You are Coagulation and are famous for shitting up the banlist thread. Because of your exploits you are really well known. You win when all the mafia are eliminated. (Named VT) ##Unvote ##Vote Crossfire | ||
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On January 22 2014 12:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Sweet! Well I was wrong it appears, but my named vt is not blue. I might not be a boxer. Mine is green but I'm Chezinu. Anyway, bum I think if I was scum I would be a lot townier, but I do play lurker games at times. If I was scum with Kush we would win. His scum game synergizes with mine incredibly well. Next scum I would say is Kush, unless you willing to have long chat with Rayn and answer every question he comes up with? Rayn, are you here? If you are try to paint me scum or something. I wants to defenses what in the actual Can someone explain this Alakaslam person to me please | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/b]In the last game JonnyLaw was [u]literally sure BigDad was mafia on D1 yet at the end of the day he had two other candidates for lynch which he debated between. Goddamn suki, why are you not thinking? Do you seriously think JonnyLaw did nothing on D1 than bussed his whole team? Before voting zarepath he has done nothing but talked about kush and Balla. Do you really think that's what JonnyLaw did as mafia? The way you worded this sounds like you're assuming kush is scum | ||
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One thing about Jonny is that after he was so certain about Balla, thread sentiment turned against me and he switched onto me, with balla giving the assist. It seems odd for him to claim he knew 100% about balla the whole time but was willing to agree with him as long as it was a case against me. On January 22 2014 03:30 JonnyLaw wrote: @balla It took me a minute to understand what the hell that post is saying. But yes it is contradicting his case completely. Backwards ass logic. He's scum for being defensive and he's scum for saying fuck it, lynch me if I'm scum. Then he couches the seemingly inevitable (at that point) zarepath lynch with the following, which looks a lot like he's preparing to say "I knew he couldn't be that bad of a scum, he was just bad townie" or something along those lines: On January 22 2014 04:39 JonnyLaw wrote: @barristan because I went back and reread his filter again, and again, and again. Then I went back to where the they fit into the thread and looked at context. Why do you hate it suki? Here is my only doubt about the zarepath lynch. He blatantly does everything which he calls scummy. If he's scum he's clearly not being very careful. I still think he's scum. So I guess what I'm saying is that he DIDN'T 100% push Balla all game, but actually agreed with him when thread sentiment was against me, and yet is now proactively taking town credit for the Balla lynch. | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does his tone differ from the games he has been mafia in? On January 21 2014 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i think Balla's tone is far closer to his scumgame than his town game. As town he tries to get shit done, as scum he is more interested in agreeing/disagreeing with what other people say about other people. On January 21 2014 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: And in this game all he has done is defending me. Ha has not really asked anyone enything, besides some half-arsed crap i don't even know what's that gonna accomplish. Then there is a case on Crossfire, in which, again, he talks more about me than Crossfire.. On January 21 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, then we have a totally different opinion on Balla's town/scum play or you are lying. On January 21 2014 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also we have a totally differing opinion on what's questioning and posturing.. On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i just looked at his past games and:
If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me. This is exactly what JonnyLaw has been saying all game. Why am i not mafia? Well, you didn't go out of your way to claim town credit for it | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I don't have ctrl f until I get to a pc. 90% of my mafia activity is from phone. Are you the literal Wile E. Coyote? | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Then we lynch JL first I don't even care. Shouldn't you care, though? Like, a little? | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Read the posts Rayn. Read his spoiler, and read my response. I answered his questions. He's literally appealing to people NOT reading the thread. If I can get people who are READING the thread to see that he's scum, then this game is over. but you don't care if we lynch JL instead | ||
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On January 23 2014 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Just because I'm indifferent between the two players in question as far as which we lynch first does not mean that I'm not interested in convincing the rest of town that BOTH of the players in question are, in fact, mafia. Okay, fair enough | ||
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Town -Rayne is pretty obviously town. If scum, greatest scum ever, but seems really unlikely -Suki was a late vote on balla, but her thought process and cases seem to come from an extremely town mindset -Crossfire seems kinda sketchy but his extremely early vote on Balla seems like the opposite of scum, and actions>words Null -Thrawn doesn't provide many full cases but prompts a lot of positive discussion, so doesn't seem scummy to me -WileE seems... I don't even know. It just seems very difficult to find any pro-town contribution from him, but I get a sense that he just kinda does his own thing. I don't have a town read on him because if that's the case, how are we supposed to know when he's scum? -I don't have a town read on VE yet and am kind of seeing what comes out of the latest VE/bum interactions to get a better read -kush was very hesitant to vote for balla, and was very confident in my towniness. I didn't find that a reason for suspicion at all at the time, for obvious reasons, but when I was clearly going to get lynched, his defense of me felt very token and half-hearted, not like somebody terrified we were going to lynch a townie. There is the fact that he was opposite balla on the lynch going for him, though Leaning mafia -Artanis was one of few who stayed on kush during the great migration to Balla and has yet to answer for that -bum was the other who refused to vote for balla Scummy -Barristan looks the worst out of all the vote patterns, imo, and as others mentioned, most of his content is meta-related -JL seems inordinately enthusiastic about the Balla lynch, especially compared to the reality of how much he pushed for it | ||
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So EBWOP: townie read on thrawn | ||
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I have been pretty busy and had a hard time keeping track of everyone's cases, but from what's happened here I definitely do not think Suki or bum are scum. Artanis has done the least to look town, I am still unsure about VE and Barristan, and actually somewhat worried that kush is escaping discussion simply by virtue of going up against Balla. Town can be right twice and not know it. I am surprised that JL's case, which was mostly quotes, has pushed so many people off of him. But I think that everyone already has Artanis as their second read anyway, so it's easy to compromise. ##Vote Artanis | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:00 suki wrote: Actually Jonny, B being the only setup makes sense with my WileE theory, because that means town has a GF, which would rule out setup D which is the only setup with 2 boxers and no power roles. So scum is absolutely sure there's another power role. kushmaster, master of scumslips, does that qualify as a scumslip? (Or anyone, really.) I read Suki town for motivational speeches and high participation, but all of this setup talk strikes me as something scum can easily get their teeth into without any risk at all (and probably actually something they need to figure out anyway, what town knows as opposed to what they know) and probably not super worthwhile to talk about for town at this stage in the day. This seems like it might be a slip because when you are scum pretending to be town talking about scum, faction confusion seems like an easy mistake to make, whereas if you're just down, it's very much an us-vs-them and it shouldn't be that hard to know that Mafia are the ones with Godfathers, and not Town. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: No a scum slip is not when someone says town when they meant to say scum. A scum slip is assuming someone is town by mistake. Okay, well, did it seem scummy at all to you, or am I just getting too much into semantics? | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote: um artanis i hate to break this to you bro, but im confirmed town due to some dumb shit i did in the first 5 minutes of the game. So you are barking up the wrong tree here. I don't know what you did in the first 5 minutes of the game to be confirmed town but you keep talking about it | ||
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People say WileE is just kind of like that as town, but if he's like that as town, why wouldn't he do something crazy like that as scum? In relation to Thrawn, it's definitely more likely, IMO. | ||
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I think my townslip was the only good thing I did as scum the whole game | ||
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Barristan/Rayne particularly, because they put the most pressure on me day 1 -- what should I be doing/not doing as scum? I just couldn't even get myself in the right mindset. | ||
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