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Whenever I've been here I've been making conversation. I've prodded Rayn a bunch. I've prodded VE a bunch. Almost all my posts include quotes and engage others. How can you say that I haven't been making conversation? That's a misrepresentation of my filter. | ||
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On January 23 2014 08:50 BarristanTheBold wrote: You've not said a single word to me all game until 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, and now that I started attacking you. Just not interested in reading me, then? Because I've used my limited time on other people which were of more interest to me at the time. Currently, you're one of my most interested candidates after elimination. I've got a few questions for you. If Zarepath didn't have his Named VT claim, would you consider him the best lynch for today? What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her? Why did you change your mind on Bum and why do you think a scumteam with me and him is likely? Do you think it's likely scum would buddy this hard? | ||
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On January 23 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote: No, because I would have lynched him yesterday. He wasn't lynchable yesterday after his claim. I'm saying if the claim never happened. [ QUOTE]On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her? Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation.[/quote] If her explanation was unsatisfactory but you still don't want to chase it why did you ask the question to begin with? What originally set off my scumdar was when you came into the thread during the VE vs bum fight and just started attacking rayn. The timing felt...convenient? And you started attacking VE, which felt like you were just trying to discredit him since you dropped it at the same time you dropped the rayn thing when people weren't talking about bum anymore. But I will admit, there's a bit more buddying than I remembered when I ctrl+f bum through your filter. WIFOM is WIFOM though, and you just said you "bussed the shit out of your teammates in your last 2 scum games". So you're aware of it and could do the exact opposite. That's WIFOM too. You're saying some meta points are the same so I'm scum, but some meta points aren't the same but those happen to be WIFOM. See above. Mostly in association with you, although the balla interaction thing was part of it. Do you really think I can be scum with Bum? On January 23 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote: that's precisely why you would hard defend your scumteam this game I've already tried that before too and we had to concede after D1. You're WIFOMing the shit out of this and not providing any solid reason for why I'm scum. The only thing that makes you town is the way you reacted to the claim which I consider could be overvalued anyway. | ||
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On January 23 2014 09:53 suki wrote: Hey Barristan, since you're pushing Artanis/bum so much, I assume you're thinking there's a chance Jonny might be town. What do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1? Hey Suki, if you're still here, what do you think of Barristan's answer regarding the question he sent your way? On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify. Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you. I have played a few games with kush but I've usually been too annoyed at him to read him well. I've never had the feeling that he thinks much ahead in games which is why the thing Rayn brought up makes me doubt about him. I'm using Rayn's meta reads on him mostly. Rayn mentioned how Kush mostly likes giving Town reads as scum because they're easy. This game, he started out with town reads and gave a few scumreads later on but didn't really expand on any of them. What rubbed me the wrong way most was how he reacted regarding Zarepath though. His confidence on Zare's towniness when the whole town was against him felt like he knew too much. His Balla defense is also incriminating. The only thing that makes me think we're dealing with a town Kush here was the thing regarding the VT claim, but that may be enough. Bleh. What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town... You two were the leading wagons like 30 minutes from the lynch. I wanted him to pick a side to hold him accountable to after the flip. It wasn't that my read on you has changed. What do you think about Barristan? | ||
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On January 22 2014 17:37 BarristanTheBold wrote: suki: what the hell happened to me? You were fucking voting me less than an hour before deadline, and i weakly hopped on the balla wagon with "Shit customers." and threw my vote down. Now you don't even mention me? What gives? On January 22 2014 23:22 suki wrote: Barristan, I don't find you scummy. I was in panic mode and honestly playing like shit at the time. On January 23 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote: Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation. | ||
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On January 23 2014 10:38 suki wrote: If he thinks I'm town and he believes me, then there isn't any reason to continue to pressure me. I agree with his logic there and the time and effort is better spent going after his scum reads. But why did he ask the question if he doesn't find you suspicious? If he does, then a suspicious answer should result in him pressuring you further. If he doesn't, then even bringing up the question doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it. Here: This makes me think he is town, because it makes sense based on what he said and how he acted at the start of the game. It is something I have a hard time coupling with a scum Kush. | ||
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On January 23 2014 13:49 suki wrote: Artanis, do you have any ideas who the third scum is? I notice you asking a lot of questions but haven't posted any of your ideas recently. I think it might be Barristan. I'm not sure though. The only point that really goes against him was the one I pointed out earlier, other than that nothing really stands out from his filter. If it's not Barristan, then I imagine it's one of the people that's town for the wrong reasons. It could be someone town just for a claim (Zarepath, Wile E, Thrawn). I haven't looked into them too much. Still plenty of time and I'm pretty sure on my other townreads. On January 23 2014 14:07 suki wrote: Actually Artanis, back before the drama of Day 1 we had a conversation about bum: You never actually came back and posted your thoughts on Bum. Can you also post your thoughts on Bum in addition to your scumread(s)? I think my thoughts on Bum are very clear. I think he's town because of the people he went after, his persistance and his willingness to think along as well as staying paranoid on the only person that's called him town all game. @JL if you're not scum please post as many reads as possible. It might save you, and even if it doesn't it'll provide us with the insight of a confirmed town after you flip. Regardless, it's worth it. Hopefully Suki's post can inspire you a bit. | ||
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On January 24 2014 06:43 Wile E. Coyote wrote: He was pushing someone They were scum When they were actually gonna get lynched he went after zerepath Poorly executed towncred buddy pressure- buyers remorse response. Buyer's remorse is stupid, I know by experience. Can you explain what you mean by the last two lines? I appear to be too dumb to understand it. | ||
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On January 24 2014 07:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote: He was buying towncred by attacking his buddy Started rolling, got buyers remorse, tried to save So you're saying JL is scum, correct? Why then did you push Kush to determine whether JL is scum or not? It's not like the lynch hinges on kush right now. He seems pretty destined for the noose at the moment. | ||
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On January 24 2014 07:45 kushm4sta wrote: artanis you scummy mother... Why are you being scummy to wiley for trying to tell me to read the filter of his top scumread? I'm asking him for his reasoning. Everyone's already piled up on Jonny. Why does he require reasoning specifically from you to further that? I don't understand his thought process when JL is 99% guaranteed to be lynched today why he wants you to regurgitate a case that's already been made by 3+ people. It smells like a fake contribution to me. | ||
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We're not going to lynch me because I'm town and I don't get mislynched. We're still going to lynch JohnnyLaw because he's been scummy as shit and for some reason everyone's forgotten everything that happened before D2. On January 24 2014 11:20 bumatlarge wrote: Artanis has a really bad track record with the voting. He steered the train off Zarepath and on to kush, which was quite noble, but it would be the right play if they were both mafia. He clearly did not want to lynch balla. And his vote on zarepath was weak as well. He has a bit of foresight present here, but Zarepath was at 5 here, which makes his vote a null tell. Zarepath, after managing to swing the vote away from him with his claim, did not put his vote anywhere useful. His vote on cross is similar to artanis' vote on kush, except a lot less telling. I also think it is highly likely that he is lying. A Blue VT claim is fairly safe for at least one mafia to make, especially one about to die, and mafia might have to challenge a DT later. I think the possibility of Artanis and Zarepath as the last two scum is good. But I'm the third man in that boat, so sink it anyway. I did not want to lynch Balla over Kush because I felt I had a strong scumread on Kush and hadn't filtered Balla at the time, nor was there time to do it with the deadline approaching. Being wrong does not mean you're scum. I'm wrong more often as Town than scum because I don't actually have perfect information. On January 24 2014 11:41 kushm4sta wrote: seems like it would be pretty hard for scum to come up with that. and he was the first to write a case on zarepath pretty much. You really think that's hard for scum to come up with? Please stop being bad Kush. Calling someone out for sheeping a scumread is really not difficult. Slap on a meta read and there you go. I do think Barristan is likely town but that's a shit reason. On January 24 2014 12:18 kushm4sta wrote: what is the point of busing if there is no towncred in it? you think it's scummier for him to bus, so why would he bus? he said himself that he bused the last two scum games. So therefore this game as scum he thinks everyone is going to expect him to bus therefore he's not busing. Scum artanis attacks weak targets, aka me. He wrote off his terribad attack on rayne as "pressure to get a read". But he never identified that his pressure had yielded a townread until much later when he came back and rayn was obv town. His main attack d1 was on me. I was definitely a weak target at the time, the case against me being "I didn't do anything" (what else is new). Kush you're good at infuriating me this game. You're literally using meta wherever it suits you, and when it doesn't you say "well obviously he's doing the opposite now because he did that in the previous game." you're cherry picking your meta wherever it fits with a scumread of me probably because you're angry that I called you scum on D1 and it's retarded. The case against you also wasn't that you're a weak target, it was sheeping town sentiment with the odd exception of having future sight that Zarepath is town, which for some reason you just rescinded now. I'm wondering if you're actually scum now. Why were you the one that went in against the grain that Zarepath is town when everyone said he was scum, yet now you ask why people think he's town? What the hell? On January 24 2014 13:15 suki wrote: Anyways, wahaha, welcome back Jonny  I didn’t really read your attack on me because I’m town so whatever. While I was filter diving last night looking for the ‘final scum’, I decided that you weren’t scum after all, but I wanted to wait for your response just to see if you’d actually start playing again and helping town. Reasons I don’t think you’re scum: Balla’s only targets were Zarepath and Crossfire. It’s pretty stupid scum play for two scum to target the exact same people. Especially in the case of Zarepath who was already under heavy pressure from lots of people, scum can and should take the safe route, which you didn’t do. That something is stupid scum play isn't an argument for them not being scum. If the team consists of Balla, JL and another inactive player like Wile or Thrawn or Zarepath then I can easily imagine that being the case. Your fist pump ‘I caught a scum’ after the lynch followed by immediate rage at me is actually really understandable from a town point of view because who wouldn’t be mad at being called scummy for playing a great town game? And then to be #1 to lynch, yeah. Anyways, I also read your post: As pretty townie cuz it’s kinda exactly what I said in that newbie mini that I referenced in my earlier speech. If the bus is pre-planned because someone is playing poorly and you want to gain cred from it, then find out you haven't I can also imagine you getting pretty pissed. Hm. Also, having both balla and Jonny vote crossfire/zare from the beginning really doesn’t lend itself to a long term scum strategy at all, there’s no set up for the following days, which is too short sighted for people of Balla and Jonny’s calibur. The scum slip that rayn pretty much convinced everyone with.. well, it’s pretty damning but hey, I was reading balla as town the whole time so it should be reasonable to expect Jonny having second thoughts of Balla’s towniness on the condition that his activity were to start picking up. In short, Jonny is really town to me. Plus, I think I’ve solved the game. Lol. Gimme a bit to write things up. ##unvote I don't understand. First you say that someone of Jonny's calibur should've picked up on it, yet you consider Jonny and Balla pretty equal. When going through Balla's filter, I don't find his play particularly inspiring this game. If you consider them the same level then I can most certainly imagine a scum Jonny having played like that. On January 24 2014 14:02 suki wrote: Alright, first off, Bum and Artanis are the scum team. We're both town though, so that's wrong. Now, Artanis: Artanis' play has been really quiet. He's asked a lot of questions but rarely expresses his own views. A safe way to play while looking like he's contributing. He followed the safe lynch on Zarepath, did not vote Balla, and also insta-voted JL on Day 2 with me and VE. Although he is now distancing himself from JL scum theory which fits with him being scum. I'm not worried about getting mislynched because I've never been mislynched as town before and don't intend on it this game. I tend to ask questions as town and I gave reads when they were necessary. I have not distanced myself from JL being scum at all. The only thing I told him was to stay motivated and contribute if he was town. And now, when I asked him who he thought was scummy he said this: Boxer's are a townie's safe haven. They are a way to eliminate people from consideration and make it easier to hunt scum. All three of our claims were made in a very convincing, townie manner. There is no reason, and Artanis has not stated any reason, why he would suspect the boxers, instead of other people. As scum though it makes perfect sense to try to start warming people up to lynching blues, because in the later parts of the game they have to make something happen. Boxers are in fact not a safe haven because they can be fakeclaimed. Also, I'll give you a little history lesson why I'm critical of people being town for a single reason. You probably haven't read LXI, but it featured a hydra head (Marv) getting sniped by BH over a shared QT after which Marv made a post about how it was bullshit what happened. Geript, the other head, was considered confirmed town after that exchange. He was scum. If the remaining players who aren't town for a single reason are townier than those that are town for just one reason, than they should be re-examined. That's what I'm calling for here. The rest of the case is bullshit because bum is confirmed PC unless anyone counterclaims and he's either dying tonight, gets us a different check or he gets lynched on D4 or so for bullshitting. On January 25 2014 01:10 JonnyLaw wrote: All right here's what really bothers me looking at artanis. Artanis is very happy to take credit for the kush lynch here. Yet the next five posts are him berating kush for not taking part in the lynch. He's basically setting up town cred until rayn realizes that Kush is being framed. What in the flying fuck am I reading here? Artanis uses like 5 posts trying to convince people that kush is scum and we should lynch him. You're being very presumptious here. I also don't see Kush as confirmed town at all. The only thing that makes me think he's town is the exchange Rayn quoted before, and I'm not sure it holds up. It'd be nice if you could tell me if he's your scumbuddy. And then.... This is when the fucking lynch is guaranteed. This is Artanis' first post addressing balla at all while people are deciding who to lynch. For someone who was so proud of lynch kush, then tried to back track for when he flipped town Artanis clearly didn't like the balla lynch. Or, you know, the other option was that I skimmed through Balla's filter and saw it wasn't very good, but I still felt more confident in Kush. There is that other option. On January 25 2014 01:38 kushm4sta wrote: @jl wow nice work. yeah that makes artanis look so scummy. ima about to blow your mind though. ready? thrawn. u ignore thrawn but thrawn is scummy as a mother fuck. always making excuses rather than doing anything (lol i got high and played xbox). I know from being on thrawns scumteam that he is bored as fuck by scum and he has no motivation to do stuff. Lately thrawn has been soft defending artanis under very shaky pretenses. So he's town because he refused to vote for scum??? seriously?????????? most wifomy shitty townread ever. Scum don't like to go on the same wagon. Instead they like to distance themselves. This is almost always true for some reason. That was the real motivation behind the lack of bus. Thrawn's reason for calling me town is as weak as your reason for calling me scum was. The point is fucking retarded either way because it's not alignment indicative in the least. On January 25 2014 01:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok. I'm back. I'm willing to lay off Jonny for now because he's actually tried and done stuff. I can also see his defense as townie. If our lynches don't turn out, we have to look at him again, but for now I'm definitely down for an Artanis lynch. This bum claim clears some things up, and Artanis's activity around lynch is super suspicious plus this quote from him (I feel someone already said this but I can't find it so I apologize to that person) Basically, he's attacking what he knows is a fake claim because mafia only have a rb which means 3 named vts is impossible. This is the same thing that bum knows to be false, but he knows it is because he's a parity cop. (I still can't believe you claimed now...you could have at least tried a little bit to move the lynch to artanis before claiming, but whatever lol). ##Unvote JonnyLaw ##Vote Artanis[Xp] I've explained this earlier in this post. Weren't you in LXI? Surely you can see where I'm coming from. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:54 thrawn2112 wrote: artanis chill out man I don't believe I called anyone dumb for it, just called points dumb. We're playing mafia, and if people say dumb things I'll call the things they say dumb. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:00 thrawn2112 wrote: so why are you here right now? what is your objective? to call us bad and tell us to go fuck ourselves while pretending to push the JL lynch? I told you why I'm not scum. I'm still working on a concise post on why JL is scum. | ||
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He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing. 2. His read on Kush makes no sense. On January 21 2014 02:02 JonnyLaw wrote: rayn this is exactly how kush plays though. What's telling you he's scum? He says this is exactly how Kush plays. So clearly he knows a lot about Kush's meta. On January 21 2014 03:29 JonnyLaw wrote: Also, I think balla's scum and I don't know how to read kush at all. Maybe scum too. Welp, that's weird. He suddenly forgot 90 minutes later. 3. Voting pattern compared to reads VE already brought this up. On January 23 2014 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Jonny might very well be scum. When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum" So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush? It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla.... Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy. He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried. [b]4. Accuses people without purpose. On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Crossfire has 3 posts of substance. One is policy talk. Easy scum starter. One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done. His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion. He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game. On January 22 2014 05:15 JonnyLaw wrote: On January 22 2014 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view? No, I can imagine them. He's just lurking though so it's hard to say. So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay. [b]5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else. 6. Can't keep his own story straight Rayn already said it. On January 22 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really bad. Really bad. He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol. On January 23 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no no no. This does not make any sense. That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow. 7. Case on Suki Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it? Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore. 8. Instant flip with town consensus Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset. Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:03 thrawn2112 wrote: btw please include your kush/thrawn reads those seem to be your secondary suspicions and that's odd As I've explained Kush's arguments have been faulty, his read on Zarepath is exceptionally flip floppy and the only thing that's made him town was the claim interaction with Rayn. My scumread on you isn't very well developed, still need to filter you further but the way you called me town for keeping my vote on Kush feels as flimsy as Kush's scumread on me for it. On January 25 2014 03:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Artanis I'm not sure if you're being lazy or just scummier here. You really think that a scum team consists of jonnylaw/kush/balla24? Honestly you and rayn both must think I'm a scum god. I promoted lynching kush and balla all day1. Okay let's say you're right. In what world would I be sitting in a scum qt saying, "hey balla and kush lets chat and bus each other all day when there's not pressure on us yet! Balla, make sure to say you think I'm scum as well and let's see who can get lynched faster." Kush is always going to be a lynch target and Balla basically gave up on the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scum. Your accusations are so weak. They were weak when rayn made them and they're still weak. I want you to flip before I worry about accusations. I'm very sure you'll flip red but I haven't thought about other connections yet. I can definitely see a scumteam with you and Balla, and Kush is known as the busmaster so I don't find that too difficult to imagine either. I've been in a scumteam where everyone busses eachother all day plenty of times. On January 25 2014 03:15 kushm4sta wrote: yo artanis how about you make arguments rather than just respond to people all pissed off like? regarding why one meta aspect of your game you would stay the same and one you would do the opposite: to bus or not to bus is a conscious decision you make as scum. Attacking weak targets is something you do because you find it easier to make fake cases against them. One you have control over, one you do not. I'll stop being pissed off when people stop making dumb arguments. Bussing Xatalos was not a conscious decision. It started as a distancing attempt and it went too far because once I bus I can't stop. Perfect information screws with me and I doubt it's something I could just turn off. Also, how is Rayn an easy target? I spent half of Day 1 attacking him until I got a good read on him. Your meta case makes no sense. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Lynch you if you're wrong and forfeit the game to scum? Because you're wrong? Really? Please do remember that you're appealing to people that share an alignment with you presumably. I'm confident in my read. On January 25 2014 03:28 kushm4sta wrote: your case is shitting on him for contradicting himself according to your biased interpretation of what he's saying How is it my biased interpretation? Both Rayn and VE agreed with me. I have no idea why VE doesn't think so anymore. I also don't believe it to be biased. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK biased or not (lol), your case is still shitty on him for contradicting himself. that is not a good case. Also i coudl argue a lot of those contradictions are actually not contradictions and you just misunderstood what jlaw was trying to say. that's what I meant by biased. It's not shitty, he's scum because he's been chasing scum objectives; distancing himself from balla whilst not actually trying to convince people to lynch him, then as soon as it happens tries to claim towncred for it. The contradictions just seal the deal on an already obvious scum. | ||
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