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On January 29 2014 20:15 Mocsta wrote:high level means its discussed briefly thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place. low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place. ultimately this is the core of the argument. That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine. Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong. I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read. From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either.
what are you even talking about here...
it wasn't super high level. It was high enough level that they couldn't have been talking about something that wasn't there. Bum has a really natural suspicion stemming from a misunderstanding of what balla is saying. Balla problem with the plan is actually a pretty generic "dont use connection theories" response worded fancily.
Besides the question is not if there is or isn't a pm convo, because there definitely is. Scum dont discuss pm convos that aren't there. The question is if the pm convo was faked and they attacked each other that early as scum on scum. I think it is highly unlikely.
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On January 29 2014 20:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 20:17 kushm4sta wrote:there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist. Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla. Original Message From bumatlarge:
the point is to get people voting, i don't actually think people running quickly is going to solve anything, but I want to see where votes go. I'm in a vote analysis kind of mentality right now, and I think I can get a solid person to lynch if there are alot of votes. Kush. Rayn + BC both had 8 votes. That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes". Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread.
bum's plan was a very early thing, not really related to eod mayor race. He was really inactive by then.
And this anti connection does matter since both are top lynch candidates atm. I am trying to figure out the scumteam with rayn, so go away scum.
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On January 29 2014 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there. Where do you actually stand with your read on Mocsta? You have changed your read at least 4 times from "totally scum" to "totally town" and vice versa in ~5 hours. So what is it and why?
i said "nah he's town" once
then i read his newest big closer and i said nvm he's scum
WHY TEH FUCK ARE YOU LYING RAYN OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGM MUST BE SCUM. I DID NOT CHANGE MY READ 4 TIMES I ONLY CHANGED IT TWICE> WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU A FUCKING LIAR YOU MUST BE SCUM1!?>!?!!!!!
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On January 29 2014 20:28 Mocsta wrote:
u want me to go away from the public thread so then u can call me scum for being afk
lol
u being afk has nothing to do with my read on you.
my read on you comes from your scumreads being shit and based on terrible reasons.
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hf reading the shithole that is my filter
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for only 1 of those posts do i think mocsta might be scum.
you are making bad assumptions about what i mean.
On January 29 2014 15:43 kushm4sta wrote:
whhy the fuck is everyone voting mocsta all of a sudden?
This has nothing to do with me thinking mocsta isn't scum.
On January 29 2014 15:54 kushm4sta wrote:
just realized mocsta/bum can't both be scum because of something mocsta said about pm convos with bum.
So actually I would lynch balla since
eitehr mocsta/balla are scum and bum is town
or bum is scum and mocsta/balla are town
the first seems more likely
Im saying it's more likely mocsta/balla are scum than bum is scum.
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*for only 1 of those posts do i think mocsta might be town
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On January 29 2014 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and if you say the last post does not say mocsta is mafia then you make misleading posts because you clearly say "the first one is more likely" which means you think it's likely that balla and mocsta are mafai, which means you think mocsta is mafia.
i know... like i said i think mocsta is mafia in all of them but 1 post.
thefore i only changed my mind once then changed it back.
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and i changed it back immediately. So i have consistently had mocsta as scum.
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Because they gave literally no reasoning and had mocsta as town prior to that?
It looked liek a really weird move from thrawn and alaka.
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also i hadn't made a case against mocsta recently so i was curious about what made them change their minds
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Mocsta's reliance on shit meta for his reads
On January 29 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.
E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum
This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.
E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.
This segues into.
U listed oats
Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.
On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
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On January 29 2014 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:And ho does your reliance on shit meta for your reads compare to this? Yes, you use a fuckton of shit meta which is completely incorrect because you can't even remember what happened in the last 2 games. Also can you answer this: Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let me be more specific.
why are you concerned about 2 votes on your scumread who is more scummy than bumatlarge who also has 2 votes? ?
my concern has nothing to do with mocsta getting lynched.
My concern is why are thrawn and alaka changing their vote to mocsta for no reason when they previously had a townread of him and there has been no recent case on him.
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On January 29 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't just fucking quote a post and say "wrong". Show us all how it's wrong. Because the Coag thing at least is really accurate. I have even talked about it with Coag on teamspeak before the Extractor trick game.
Rayn sorry for all the mean stuff i said to you,. I just wanted you to read me scum for some reason lol.
Anyway, i think the meta reads are wrong, but it does not matter that they are wrong. Town is wrong all the time.
What matters is that mocsta is basing his reads off incredibly thin meta. That grack thing is meta from ONE game, and something like that does not make a good scumtell.
Town mocsta would base his reads off more than some shitty meta from 1 game that is thin as fuck.
For his read of coag he has that argument that says why pro might be town. Then on the other side he has some meta which I KNOW isn't true because ive played a shit ton of games with coag, and it's the only reason on the scumside, yet it outweighs the logic he uses for the coag!town argument.
Look i even used your retarded ! notation. You have to agree with me.
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Mocsta's reliance on shit meta for his reads
On January 29 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.
E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum
This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.
E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.
This segues into.
U listed oats
Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.
On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
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if you look at Coag in PYP, he troll posts as scum.
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mocsta is saying he trolls as town and does nothing as scum.
he's doing nothing this game so therefore he's scum.
But he trolled in PYP and he was scum, so that heuristic is invalidated.
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that's confidential information, rayn
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