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Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...
He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.
What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
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Jampidampi can I get an update on your 27ninjabunnies read once you are back, thanks.
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On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up.
This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on.
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On May 21 2014 17:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 17:24 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up. This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on. You mind telling us who you are? Like you're obviously a smurf of some kind.
I'm not going to, because it not only invalidates the purpose of signing up as a smurf, but it feels also feels cheap to reveal your identity based on your alignment. That is, players are more likely to do that as town than as mafia.
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So what did you skim and find suspicious?
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On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious? The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments. It was just an answer to a question. The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia.
I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask.
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On May 21 2014 18:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious? The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments. It was just an answer to a question. The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia. I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask. Literally irrelevant. A townie who has even played a single game with me would never even bring up what I said as suspicious. Not even casually. Bad, bad, bad. The fact you know/think I ask "pointed questions" makes your original point on my post look even worse. Keep going?
If you are town, you should take a deep breath and reassess the strength of your perceived meta point.
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On May 21 2014 19:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 18:58 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 18:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious? The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments. It was just an answer to a question. The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia. I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask. Literally irrelevant. A townie who has even played a single game with me would never even bring up what I said as suspicious. Not even casually. Bad, bad, bad. The fact you know/think I ask "pointed questions" makes your original point on my post look even worse. Keep going? If you are town, you should take a deep breath and reassess the strength of your perceived meta point. There's nothing to reassess, what I said is perfectly clear.
So you stand by the notion that literally no town aligned player who has played with you could find the way you entered the thread suspicious? Does it follow that you consider me confirmed mafia now?
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I'll take a better look at mtamburini later, but from his big post what stood out was him asserting that 27ninjabunnies was mafia for trying to put pressure on someone else (thrawn).
Bunnies looking to put pressure else and off of her, looooooking sccummy again.
He appears to be suggesting that attempting to find mafia is mafia behavior.
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When early on in the first day I always like to look how players enter the thread. I find it that mafia has a hard time writing the first couple posts and they often look artificial and forced.
I stand by my marv read so far. I think it's more likely he enterss the thread like that as scum than town, and his unwarrated anger after he got called out doesn't read natural either. The rest of his filter is really uninspiring for someone who has been on the thread for basically the whole game, even if you are just skimming. He is bickering on irrelevant points and not asking the right questions, which further enforces my feeling he might be mafia. The level of confidence he later uses to say that we are scum for questioning him on his entering post is also way off. That said I'm willing to give him a pass for today, because even if he isn't town aligned he is capable of uncovering other mafia and if he is town aligned it's a shame to mislynch him in the first day. Also there is a chance that he atracts a bullet too as any alignment so lynching him today is not the highest ev.
I still feel a bit uneasy about MZ, but wouldn't lynch today either. I think his posting improved a bit after the the first couple.
And speaking of entering the thread as scum, after I reread the thread jampi caught my attention:
On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread? How about we agree on killing you?
On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread? How about we agree on killing you? By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction? Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions?
On May 21 2014 06:14 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread? How about we agree on killing you? By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction? Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions? I referred to every possible scum faction back there. So you are scum? Nice to know.
This string of quotes don't look natural at all. As I've said when you enter the thread as scum you have to force yourrself into a mindset and it often looks a bit off. In this case the level of aggression and "scumhunting" which are normally characteristics of a townie are way over the top and forced, thus I feel there is a strong chance jampi is scum.
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If it isn't obvious we are 2 people. I thought the host told that to the thread.
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Nope, it's back to head 1. I don't feel like chatting in the thread, because it's long enough as is, so if you have something to ask or add, please keep your questions relevant and objective.
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I aprove of BH suspicion. I hear he got 3 mafiosos correctly on day 1 in the other game. BH, why don't you share your wisdom with us instead of endlessly going on about RNG, which should be -ev for you given your perceived success rate at finding mafia?
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I don't think BH's claim makes him town, but lynching him today would still be bad play. Having said that, his only mafia reads both look town to me; Odin for his first post, tone and the confidence when he states he has done more in 5 posts than BH in 3 filter pages. BH's reasons for thinking Geript are particularly laughable and look opportunistic. It doesn't look like he actually bothered to read Geript's filter. Anyway, not a priority today.
Jampi still looks bad for the reasons the other head mentioned, as does Austin for fluffy and underwhelming content, in contrast with what I've seen from him as town recently. Essentially all of his reads so far have been in response to someone specifically asking him for them rather him being proactive.
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That line of thought is actually a bit towny from Austin. He has seemed a bit paranoid in some of the game I've played where he was town.
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I suppose with multiple factions that point is potentially weaker.
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Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.
People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2.
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On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes. However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt. And that is my opinion on you case. Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact.
I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya.
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On May 22 2014 05:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 05:49 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes. However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt. And that is my opinion on you case. Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact. I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya. I'm curious what you like about it? As far as I see it, this post says this: First para: She is not suspicious Second para: She is suspicious Third para: This is my conclusion (she is suspicious and not suspicious) Fourth para: Shoot austin who has barely spam posted but posted 2 pictures. I actually think the post is terrible for paras 1-3, because it basically just says yes and no without actually coming to a conclusion himself on tamb's alignment.
I actually like the first paragraph more. But it shows someone trying to figure out the game. 2nd para I disagree with, but still shows a natural thought process. I'm not saying laya is town for sure but I would like to hear more from him before I decide if I want to lynch him. Now can you tell me about the 3 I asked you about?
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HF, take a look at jampi's 3 other games as town. The way he enters the thread as townie is much more inquisitive. This game the aggression and suspicion throwing he uses is way over the top and unwarranted. It looks fake. Unfortunatelly I can't find a mafia game of his to back this up more.
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Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by.
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Yellow seems very town based on earlier play and that comment. There is indeed some progression, which also makes Blued look slightly better (we had some issues with what he said about our early play), as the progression feels slightly more towny than mafia opportunism.
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I'm not sure what BlueD means with "things be good" though. Seems like a strange way to describe the state of the thread.
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On May 22 2014 13:45 BlueyD wrote:
Here comes the master of rng... Willing to bet BH's blue claim is fake again.
Steve I'd lynch you over both of these.
The bet part feels fake and out of place in the filter. As far as I can see, he hasn't indicated being suspicious of BH. If he doesn't believe the claim, shouldn't he be more interested in lynching him?
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On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most.
I'm catching up but I have to quote this post for future reference. This is the most BS in one post I've read in this game so far. I believe WoS is scum.
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WoS's whole filter is completely useless, even though it's quite lengthy.
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Has WoS recently claimed VT on day 1 in some game,?
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On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most.
So let me start with this post that caught my attention. WoS is forcing out a read on why he stated previously BH is town. The things are off in this is that he starts describing BH's scum meta which, if you are reading this game, fits perfectly to this game, arrogance and shitting up the thread is all the content BH produce so far. He then goes ahead to try to forcefully twist it to fit his read in a lenghy and convoluted way that doesn't add up. Notably he forgot to mention the one thing that really makes everyone wary of lynching BH and probably points to town which is the CLAIM. That's the most solid evindence which should be talked about BH being town which is completely left out from his analysis. It's pure fabricated BS to justify a previous read he gave out. That's something mafia often does.
Now if you take a look at WoS filter you will notice a couple things. The first is that he is chiming in every once in a while on random subjects to keep up a resonably sized filter. The other is that he isn't activily following up with his suspicions or making an effort to actually catch scum. I such a spammy game that's the perfect disguise for scum. He posts just enough to avoid suspicion, but gives away no productive info. This man is scum and I believe our best lynch for today.
##vote: WoS
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For someone who asserts that he is an expert on BH's play, it's also weird how WoS leans on Marv's opinion when he briefly mentions the roleclaim. He states that the roleclaim is "bewildering", but Marv assures him it's normal for BH. Does he really not know about BHs tendency to role claim and why does not he attempt to analyze it? The perspective seems very wrong.
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On May 22 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I rather think Xatalos, if you had a bunch of votes on you, you'd have been rather more inclined to post something than go straight to bed, no? ^^
So it doesn't concern at all how easily this lynch is going? Usually you have been very vary of lack of resistance. If he is mafia, do you think his teammates have been yelling at him to post more and he has just chosen to ignore the requests?
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On May 22 2014 23:49 marvellosity wrote:
Wave's so lucky that I defend him when his filter is so trashy. He owes me a blowjob.
Blowjobs are easy to come by nowadays. Scum lynches day 1 are much more glorious and rare. I don't think you are making a good deal.
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Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
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On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong 
So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
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On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
That's not what you said though.
I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones.
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On May 23 2014 01:28 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones. Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games. Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game. The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting
I don't care about the context, I'm just trying to understand why you claimed you get mislynched a lot for writing longer posts, if that is not in fact the case.
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On May 23 2014 01:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Also marv, what do you make of tambo, and talk to me specifically about OnceKing (and anyone else you'd consider lynching). I have to leave on a roadtrip in an hour, so unfortunately I'm not blessed with much time today. I'm kinda trusting what you're saying about tambo right now. my time is kinda limited this evening as well :/ Onceking just because of what kita said, a filter of a bunch of short posts and nothing, not particularly sure I like the "why me, why not this guy" which is why I said I could lynch him.
What is Hapa saying about Tambo right now?
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Mysterymeat looks more like a terrible lynch than a coinflip.
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Can you cite the last time a person like that flipped mafia? He even blatantly states he will play his trademark lazy town and indeed does absolutely nothing afterwards, not even pretense.
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Marv what do you think about mtamburini "misspeaking"?
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On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. Hapa, have you actually read that post you quoted. It seemed very natural to me with no forced reads and everything he said was very reasonable and from a stream of thought. I really think valenius is towny and moving the lynch off tambu after his suspicious comeback seems wrong. A lot of people seem to be waitng for his return to have an excuse to move their votes off and if anything it made him look worse. I'm way more confident in wos, but between those 2 tamburini is way more likely of actually being scum. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +Yell0w.+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh.
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On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DciHBnMnlo Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
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Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh.
Hapa, have you actually read that post you quoted. It seemed very natural to me with no forced reads and everything he said was very reasonable and from a stream of thought. I really think valenius is towny and moving the lynch off tambu after his suspicious comeback seems wrong. A lot of people seem to be waitng for his return to have an excuse to move their votes off and if anything it made him look worse. I'm way more confident in wos, but between those 2 tamburini is way more likely of actually being scum.
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On May 23 2014 02:52 Koshi wrote:
What about you tell me who you are and I sheep you?
We are 2 people you would be glad to sheep. I thought we were pretty obvious already, but if not I prefer to keep it a secret to not ruin the fun. And also night is comming soon so there is also that =P
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How is that Marv wasn't worried about the lack of resistance to the lynch due to "influential" townies supporting the lynch and then after the fairly lackluster return by Tamburini instead of analyzing the posts himself, he decides to sheep Hapa's very brief thoughts on them (all Hapa said was that Tamburini seemed pretty direct and open)?
Apparently he doesn't even consider Tamburini misspeaking/lying worth commenting either, even when I directly asked him about it. He went from being seemingly confident to not caring enough to even form his own opinion.
This could be Marv just being very unconfident in his reads, but it looks very suspicious to me.
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BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.
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I think players need to be warned if there are alignment changing mechanics in the game. Looking at the spreadsheet I'm not sure if it was even possible for town to win unless recruitments failed and/or the factions keep shooting each other.
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On day 1 there was essentially no mafia...
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