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bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
January 14 2014 19:24 GMT
#12
/in
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 20 2014 21:47 GMT
#352
Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...


He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.

What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 07:59 GMT
#1098
Jampidampi can I get an update on your 27ninjabunnies read once you are back, thanks.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 08:24 GMT
#1103
On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up.

This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 08:40 GMT
#1107
On May 21 2014 17:28 geript wrote:
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On May 21 2014 17:24 bkqyrldp wrote:
On May 21 2014 17:17 geript wrote:
Valenus I'm not quite seeing as mafia. Like there's a bit of seeming honesty and levity in his posting that I find a bit towny. Like I get why Hapa thinks he could be an ok lynch but he feels more like a "fun Fred" gamer instead of a "competitive Carl" gamer. It's not a real solid read but I'm looking elsewhere for D1 unless something more specific pops up.

This is my perspective on him as well. His posts do not read like someone feigning contributions, just someone casually posting because he felt like. Holyflare's reason for considering him town is also the type of weak evidence that I find compelling early on.

You mind telling us who you are? Like you're obviously a smurf of some kind.

I'm not going to, because it not only invalidates the purpose of signing up as a smurf, but it feels also feels cheap to reveal your identity based on your alignment. That is, players are more likely to do that as town than as mafia.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 09:32 GMT
#1116
So what did you skim and find suspicious?
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 09:44 GMT
#1120
On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious?

The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments.

It was just an answer to a question.

The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia.

I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 09:58 GMT
#1127
On May 21 2014 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious?

The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments.

It was just an answer to a question.

The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia.

I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask.

Literally irrelevant. A townie who has even played a single game with me would never even bring up what I said as suspicious. Not even casually.

Bad, bad, bad.

The fact you know/think I ask "pointed questions" makes your original point on my post look even worse.

Keep going?

If you are town, you should take a deep breath and reassess the strength of your perceived meta point.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 10:04 GMT
#1130
On May 21 2014 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2014 18:58 bkqyrldp wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote:
So what did you skim and find suspicious?

The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments.

It was just an answer to a question.

The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia.

I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask.

Literally irrelevant. A townie who has even played a single game with me would never even bring up what I said as suspicious. Not even casually.

Bad, bad, bad.

The fact you know/think I ask "pointed questions" makes your original point on my post look even worse.

Keep going?

If you are town, you should take a deep breath and reassess the strength of your perceived meta point.

There's nothing to reassess, what I said is perfectly clear.

So you stand by the notion that literally no town aligned player who has played with you could find the way you entered the thread suspicious? Does it follow that you consider me confirmed mafia now?
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 11:21 GMT
#1149
I'll take a better look at mtamburini later, but from his big post what stood out was him asserting that 27ninjabunnies was mafia for trying to put pressure on someone else (thrawn).

Bunnies looking to put pressure else and off of her, looooooking sccummy again.

He appears to be suggesting that attempting to find mafia is mafia behavior.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 15:16 GMT
#1210
When early on in the first day I always like to look how players enter the thread. I find it that mafia has a hard time writing the first couple posts and they often look artificial and forced.
I stand by my marv read so far. I think it's more likely he enterss the thread like that as scum than town, and his unwarrated anger after he got called out doesn't read natural either. The rest of his filter is really uninspiring for someone who has been on the thread for basically the whole game, even if you are just skimming. He is bickering on irrelevant points and not asking the right questions, which further enforces my feeling he might be mafia. The level of confidence he later uses to say that we are scum for questioning him on his entering post is also way off. That said I'm willing to give him a pass for today, because even if he isn't town aligned he is capable of uncovering other mafia and if he is town aligned it's a shame to mislynch him in the first day. Also there is a chance that he atracts a bullet too as any alignment so lynching him today is not the highest ev.

I still feel a bit uneasy about MZ, but wouldn't lynch today either. I think his posting improved a bit after the the first couple.

And speaking of entering the thread as scum, after I reread the thread jampi caught my attention:
On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread?

How about we agree on killing you?

On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread?

How about we agree on killing you?


By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction?

Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions?

On May 21 2014 06:14 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:13 Xatalos wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread?

How about we agree on killing you?


By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction?

Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions?


I referred to every possible scum faction back there.

So you are scum? Nice to know.

This string of quotes don't look natural at all. As I've said when you enter the thread as scum you have to force yourrself into a mindset and it often looks a bit off. In this case the level of aggression and "scumhunting" which are normally characteristics of a townie are way over the top and forced, thus I feel there is a strong chance jampi is scum.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 15:21 GMT
#1214
If it isn't obvious we are 2 people. I thought the host told that to the thread.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 15:25 GMT
#1218
Nope, it's back to head 1. I don't feel like chatting in the thread, because it's long enough as is, so if you have something to ask or add, please keep your questions relevant and objective.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 15:49 GMT
#1241
I aprove of BH suspicion. I hear he got 3 mafiosos correctly on day 1 in the other game. BH, why don't you share your wisdom with us instead of endlessly going on about RNG, which should be -ev for you given your perceived success rate at finding mafia?
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 19:51 GMT
#1477
I don't think BH's claim makes him town, but lynching him today would still be bad play. Having said that, his only mafia reads both look town to me; Odin for his first post, tone and the confidence when he states he has done more in 5 posts than BH in 3 filter pages. BH's reasons for thinking Geript are particularly laughable and look opportunistic. It doesn't look like he actually bothered to read Geript's filter. Anyway, not a priority today.

Jampi still looks bad for the reasons the other head mentioned, as does Austin for fluffy and underwhelming content, in contrast with what I've seen from him as town recently. Essentially all of his reads so far have been in response to someone specifically asking him for them rather him being proactive.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 19:57 GMT
#1484
That line of thought is actually a bit towny from Austin. He has seemed a bit paranoid in some of the game I've played where he was town.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 19:58 GMT
#1486
I suppose with multiple factions that point is potentially weaker.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 20:46 GMT
#1524
Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.

People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 20:49 GMT
#1527
On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:
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On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?

Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes.

However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt.

And that is my opinion on you case.

Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact.


I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya.
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#1532
On May 22 2014 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 05:49 bkqyrldp wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?

Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes.

However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt.

And that is my opinion on you case.

Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact.


I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya.

I'm curious what you like about it? As far as I see it, this post says this:

First para: She is not suspicious
Second para: She is suspicious
Third para: This is my conclusion (she is suspicious and not suspicious)
Fourth para: Shoot austin who has barely spam posted but posted 2 pictures.

I actually think the post is terrible for paras 1-3, because it basically just says yes and no without actually coming to a conclusion himself on tamb's alignment.

I actually like the first paragraph more. But it shows someone trying to figure out the game. 2nd para I disagree with, but still shows a natural thought process. I'm not saying laya is town for sure but I would like to hear more from him before I decide if I want to lynch him. Now can you tell me about the 3 I asked you about?
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