Golden Sun: The Lost Age Mafia Djinn Edition

On May 19 2014 06:08 justanothertownie wrote:

Same.
Let's say this game fills today/tomorrow. When will it start? I will have to leave for a conference in 10-11 days and probably won't have time/internet then. So maybe I should not join this.

For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.

On May 21 2014 06:33 Steveling wrote:


Every town should 100% follow this.
But the game is not fun this way, so fuck it.

On May 21 2014 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum.

HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way.

On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?

On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Vaccines cause autism tho

/s

On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
If anyone is a dayvig or something and shoots geript in the next hour, I'll vote whoever they want today

On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:

As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p

On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.

On May 21 2014 07:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I want to point out: video mafia and forum mafia are two different aspects of mafia. Two: Just because I can read Banks well in video mafia, does not mean it transfers to forum. Also, he hasn't spoken too much for me to have a great read on him.

But some things I noticed: his vote on tamburini and his trying to get me to vote with him. These are reasons that I used when I told Jamp that he was one of the ones I was watching for as him being mafia from the first couple of pages.

On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.

On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng

On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:


What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.

On May 21 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Yo so anyone else wanna sheep me on this guy?

@BH RE Shitstorm: personally I hate shitstorms because they scare away townies and allow scum to control the agenda. Yes it provides an environment for scumslips to happen but my concern is that they get swamped and it takes literally days of ingame time to fully flesh out what happened, at which time scum will be in total control of the game. I understand where you're coming from but I think the costs outweigh the benefits.

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?

On May 21 2014 07:50 Holyflare wrote:


wtf is your problem??

bh wants to rng which is usually a 25% chance to mafia
normal lynching by poe has a 40%+ chance to hit mafia

i'm the retard right

On May 21 2014 07:54 jampidampi wrote:

I don't see how my wording implies I thought all or most of the factions to be scum factions. My orginal assumption was that there would be only one scum faction, since that is how it usually is.

On May 21 2014 08:01 Tehpoofter wrote:



Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.

And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.

On May 21 2014 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, if we start ignoring Blazinghand, maybe he will go away.

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?

On May 21 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Steve v HF mafia on mafia fight calling it now

Kita y u gotta do that every game
You make my heart sad

On May 21 2014 07:41 Xatalos wrote:


I actually laughed out loud at this post. GJ BH

On May 21 2014 08:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

I did weigh in already.
You know very well it's not going to pick up enough support. Even that time I actively pushed for it and we almost got there it ended up failing in the end. I know it's your thing BH but 'tis old already IMO.

I'll tell you what. If you can convince enough people that a lynch seems even remotely likely, you'll have my axe.

On May 21 2014 08:11 Tehpoofter wrote:



So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion?

On May 21 2014 08:11 Xatalos wrote:
Sorry BH

On May 21 2014 08:14 Valenius wrote:


In short; I'm okay with either or yours, or Yellow's method (if followed fully)

From some of the responses so far; Yellow's method wouldn't work due to enough unwilling players, which when votes would be spread wide not tall would nullify any effect of the random voting. Yours I'm okay with. Obviously oop hasn't posted yet, so he'll probably be pretty salty, and it would require probably.. 14 of the players signing on to it?

My first post that the steve carell posting guy got upset with was saying im shit at day 1's with 9 players (newbie games). I'll stand by this, regardless of whether he thinks its scummy or not. For me, RNG is about as good as me picking a d1 lynch target.

On May 21 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:


Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it.

##Vote: Blazinghand

Contribute or die.

On May 21 2014 07:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@BH: I'm not sure tbh. RNG seems like an okay thing to do, especially with factions and the huge amount of possible scum we could have. But then again it's COULD have. But I like to lynch based off of reads and whom I find scummy or pretty certain are mafia. I don't even know if Odin has talked today, so I'd prob won't lynch him yet.

On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean.

So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that?

On May 21 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
bh, do we really need to have this retarded random lynch discussion every game??? I feel like i have heard it a million times and it's hella boring.
You always brag about how great you are at the game, but i never see you hunting scum. You are always creating boring mechanics-drama around yourself.

On May 21 2014 08:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:


As I said, I like to base where I vote because of the way I am reading that person.
RNG, while could work, I don't want to do it.

Like I said, you don't have a lot of support for this. And I'd rather find scum based on their play than a mechanical, statistical "game" you are trying to push here.

On May 21 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch.

Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him.

On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.

##Vote: OdinofPergo

On May 21 2014 08:14 Valenius wrote:
In short; I'm okay with either or yours, or Yellow's method (if followed fully)

From some of the responses so far; Yellow's method wouldn't work due to enough unwilling players, which when votes would be spread wide not tall would nullify any effect of the random voting. Yours I'm okay with. Obviously oop hasn't posted yet, so he'll probably be pretty salty, and it would require probably.. 14 of the players signing on to it?

On May 21 2014 08:21 Steveling wrote:
If BH was town he would've aborted ship on his plan already since it's not gonna happen.
Town I speak the truth.

On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all.

On May 21 2014 09:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
@Blazinghand, I'm against RNG lynch.

On May 21 2014 09:16 Steveling wrote:
I'm down for rng if we reroll the lynch on my conditions.

Are you up for it bh?

On May 22 2014 01:50 OdinOfPergo wrote:
you should totes vote BH Holy.

On May 22 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:
For fucks sake BH, your biggest scum tell right now is that you keep insisting on it.

On May 22 2014 02:36 OdinOfPergo wrote:
lol convienent of you to drop by BH.

Thanks for summing it up for me.
I posted my thoughts, elaborated why I thought that way.

So yes, basically, I've done more in like my 5 post than you've managed in 3 pages of filter?

Yet I'm still you're choice of scum?
And you still managed to add nothing else outside of it.
You're not making me sad about where my vote is.

On May 22 2014 02:40 marvellosity wrote:

lol

Challenge accepted

##Unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand

On May 22 2014 02:43 OdinOfPergo wrote:
It hasn't been very long since I came to the thread.

Considering I'm pretty obvious as town..
Also curious how come you don't mention I do this exact same sort of thing every town game?

I mean common.. We just were in a game.. think back I think you can do it.
Now sub out the bullet points I used in that game for - marks... and BAM I'm like playing exactly the same..

So ye, I'm not big flashy going to blow out 15 pages of bs for your lynch.
I want you lynched.
But I will at least give people time to read my case and make opinions for themselves.
I'm not going to blow out 15 pages of spam about useless crap for it.

Until other people comment on it I'm pretty much done explaining this lol..

On May 22 2014 02:46 Steveling wrote:
Yeah well, I don't know legit your claim is but you are not playing as a town so far BH.

On May 22 2014 02:47 kitaman27 wrote:


So 3 votes compelled you to role claim "an important power needed for us to win"?

On May 22 2014 02:57 geript wrote:

Funny I think a BH is a great lynch.

On May 22 2014 03:31 geript wrote:

I'd say it but I'd rather not get banned for telling the truth. In short, lynching you is +EV.

On May 22 2014 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's not anyhow scummy to forget that you claimed a role. Scum would be more likely self-conscious about their claims and such.

On May 22 2014 03:37 Xatalos wrote:


He was pretty useless and spammy here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=Blazinghand (In the end he even got himself and two other players modkilled lol)

On May 22 2014 04:51 bkqyrldp wrote:
I don't think BH's claim makes him town, but lynching him today would still be bad play. Having said that, his only mafia reads both look town to me; Odin for his first post, tone and the confidence when he states he has done more in 5 posts than BH in 3 filter pages. BH's reasons for thinking Geript are particularly laughable and look opportunistic. It doesn't look like he actually bothered to read Geript's filter. Anyway, not a priority today.

Jampi still looks bad for the reasons the other head mentioned, as does Austin for fluffy and underwhelming content, in contrast with what I've seen from him as town recently. Essentially all of his reads so far have been in response to someone specifically asking him for them rather him being proactive.

On May 22 2014 05:13 Steveling wrote:
BH since you know there have being games with core blue claims that turned out red after flip, why did you claim so early in the game?

On May 22 2014 05:14 Blazinghand wrote:


go do something anatomically surprising with yourself

On May 22 2014 05:16 geript wrote:

I only unvoted you in order to vote for you scumbuddy Scumeling.

On May 22 2014 04:56 austinmcc wrote:
Kita later.

BH I want to answer my dang question about what he thinks the use of RNG is.

On May 22 2014 05:26 austinmcc wrote:
ninjaed

(2) is why I ask, sorta.

There's that stupid post somewhere from Palmar or Ace about why he's proposing RNG and what it's good for, and a bunch of the reason is that it can get people to take stances on the target ---> if RNG lands on mafia, who reacted weirdly, who is fighting RNG for bad reasons, blah blah. Along with just the general discussion.

But in this game, even if there's more mafia TOTAL, which we don't know to be the case, there's less of any given team. Like...you're losing some value because it seems less likely you can DO something with the lynch. You think that purely spinning the wheel, even if we've lost some other value, is actually worthwhile?

On May 22 2014 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
The value of how A scumteam interacts with the RNG. We can lynch scum and have other possible scumteams be entirely on board here, less...associative value, less ability to read people as part of one team.

This isn't QUITE spaghetti yet.

On May 22 2014 06:15 Alakaslam wrote:

What kind kid blue you claim bh

On May 22 2014 06:18 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh an d BH before I am out if reception is there NK reason tambo is scum vs Odin or is it pure info for RNG?

Sprint 1x three dot and expiring the loading circle is really slow

On May 22 2014 06:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also BH, I need you to repeat after me "I am not as good at mafia as I think I am."

On May 22 2014 06:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

So I know out of game bets in order to advance an agenda are against the rules but can we have a bet on the outcome of an action in game?

I'd like to have a sig bet, if you get Odin lynched (regardless of his alignment) I'll change my sig to whatever you want for a month but if you don't get Odin lynched you have to change your sig to "Vet status does not = god status: I am not as good at mafia as I think I am" for a month.

Sound reasonable to you?

On May 22 2014 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I can't be forced to vote for him, that'd break the rules of an outside bet influencing the game, but I agree to a draw if he's shot by the town.

I will certainly vote him if I think he's scum which at the moment I think there are other people who I've previously discussed who are better choices.

On May 22 2014 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

EBWOP
Also draw if he's shot by scum?

On May 22 2014 07:52 Koshi wrote:
I don't know why I am waiting on Layabout to explain his crazy talk.

On May 22 2014 13:42 Cavalinho wrote:


I believe it's a case of I couldn't be assed to do the research so take your townread and shut up.

On May 22 2014 13:45 BlueyD wrote:
Here comes the master of rng... Willing to bet BH's blue claim is fake again.

Steve I'd lynch you over both of these.

On May 22 2014 14:42 Holyflare wrote:


your profile is insane

On May 22 2014 16:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I don't buy this bullshit at all BH. My patience is running thin.

On May 22 2014 16:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Not cause I think he's scum I just want him dead.

On May 22 2014 01:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:


LOL. townpile.

But no, serious the reason I have a problem with Vale is that he doesn't bring all those pooper analysis to the thread!

On May 22 2014 01:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm just going to say I don't disagree with either of you here.
It's simple.

That comment might get me to re-evaluate my willingness to lynch Vale.
But it's only going to happen when he backs it up with actual results..

What's the problem here?

On May 22 2014 01:30 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ye, that's all I'm getting at.
I think Cav's getting picky about it when there isn't a reason too.
Because Vale will just never produce results from it..

That post was lols.. If Vale is scum, I really look foward to seeing that qt comment "I know! I'll lie and tell them I was on the toilet!"

On May 22 2014 01:50 OdinOfPergo wrote:
you should totes vote BH Holy.

I'm not really sure on Thrawn.
I think he should be much more apparent in later days though.
I don't want to lynch him today at least.

On May 22 2014 02:36 OdinOfPergo wrote:
lol convienent of you to drop by BH.

Thanks for summing it up for me.
I posted my thoughts, elaborated why I thought that way.

So yes, basically, I've done more in like my 5 post than you've managed in 3 pages of filter?

Yet I'm still you're choice of scum?
And you still managed to add nothing else outside of it.
You're not making me sad about where my vote is.

On May 22 2014 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:


zzz I don't see any pushing or analysis from you, or any follow up. How convenient! you're not pushing your scumread, except when he literally shows up and points out that you're not. Where was your pushing when I wasn't in the thread? sure, youv oted me, but you didn't try to get ANYONE else on the wagon, because as scum you're afraid

afraid of what will happen

afraid to play the game

On May 22 2014 02:43 OdinOfPergo wrote:
It hasn't been very long since I came to the thread.

Considering I'm pretty obvious as town..
Also curious how come you don't mention I do this exact same sort of thing every town game?

I mean common.. We just were in a game.. think back I think you can do it.
Now sub out the bullet points I used in that game for - marks... and BAM I'm like playing exactly the same..

So ye, I'm not big flashy going to blow out 15 pages of bs for your lynch.
I want you lynched.
But I will at least give people time to read my case and make opinions for themselves.
I'm not going to blow out 15 pages of spam about useless crap for it.

Until other people comment on it I'm pretty much done explaining this lol..

On May 22 2014 03:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:



Let me answer this for you.

I am still BH sole read this game.
A read he could not of possible of come to at the time he came to it..

On May 22 2014 10:16 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok I'm just going to unvote for now since this will never happen today.
I freaking hate that you opt out of this with a blue claim to fool around, not do anything, partake in a continueing (since the start of the freaking game) RNG talk.
And make stupid bets that have no relevancy to anything based off of getting me lynched.
Oh and then proceeding to not even really push my lynch.

Austin gets sideways glances from me for prodding BH to continue to post nothingness.
I'm not super sure on Rit but meh, I don't have the time to filter him tonight so hopefully I'll get to that.

Still wouldn't be upset with Ceph, since I don't recall him ever being back yet.
But still curious on his response to that sketchy push on Bunnies.

On May 22 2014 22:55 OdinOfPergo wrote:
hmm so much reading.. so little energy.

That's your only issue with that layabout post Holy?
Geez, I find the progressions of his reads rather far-fetched.
But maby that's just me.
Out of anyone who's going to get him lynched I'm suprised by the wtf response he gives.
More so to a player he hasn't really mentioned... ever?

On May 23 2014 00:31 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok well, if today's lynch is between Laya/Trambo..

I'll ##vote: mtamburini

If I'm not noncomprehending your previous argument Laya, shouldn't you consolidate on Trambo as-well instead of OMGUS Rit?
Isn't your point that he's trying to either distance himself or bait onto a second bandwagon? To pull attention from Trambo?

Meh, I'm going to sleep. I'm to tired to think clearly anymore.

On May 23 2014 02:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back.
I don't think tambo is the correct lynch right now.
Neither do I think val is, but if I had to choose between them, I would choose val.
I want to see a jampi lynch, but that's not gonna happen.
Still thinking about who my vote will go on.

On May 23 2014 02:57 Valenius wrote:
How long till deadline, vote count isnt showing it for me in mobile browser? On a train for next 20 mins with shit reception :tunnels:

OK, youre better than this. Go back to being the long thought out case guy instead of 'hes shit so hes scum'

I made that point in one of my first posts, I suck at day1.

On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it.

I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote.

On May 23 2014 02:58 Xatalos wrote:
Hm, I actually kind of like BH's case.

On May 23 2014 03:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, I'm back. Got off of work super early. Will read and post in a bit

On May 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
It's just that he's so apathetic in his scumhunting......

On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care.

On May 23 2014 03:05 Koshi wrote:
Odin filter in You only shoot once. Meta differences?

to me Odin looks pretty the same.

On April 26 2014 18:06 OdinOfPergo wrote:



I still don't understand.
Maby I'm bad.
What does it really have to do with squat though?

"But know this: IF he's scum, then he's got a free pass to use his KP however he wishes right now if he has day KP free of scrutiny because he is GOING to die."

But why? What you are saying involves these possibles.

a) Palmar is vanilla town. He dies to nuke.
b) Palmar is blue dayvig towner. He OMGUS Caller and kills him.
c) Palmar is scum. He OMGUS/ Spends scum kp killing Caller and dies himself unless his role (or other scum role for him) can dayvig Palmar.

Point in case is that either;
vanilla town Palmar dies to the nuke.
town dayvig Palmar kills Caller.
Scum Palmar/ teammates dayvig Caller.

None of these results give us any information.
How are you drawing conclusions from them?

Like I don't disagree that Caller's nuke at this point seems unwarrented.
I'm simply confused on how you are coming up with 'scum' for someone because of it.

On April 27 2014 09:49 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Koshi rest your mind.



If this isn't a scum claim I don't know what is.
Palmar is basically saying "Firetruck all you town ppl"
Besides I think you've been in a few games where the 'blow me town' phrase came up as a scum claim a few times.
What gives Kosher?

I'm so comfortable with this that I hope Caller's nuke DOESN'T land(Like he claimed) just so we can lynch scum regardless.
I also get a nice town-read from it.
Which is nice because I was kind of at a loss at how to treat the scenario of Palmar not dying from the nuke.
Now I do.
SO thanks Palmar for being so scum.

Anyway. I just thought I'd chime in on this.
I need to actually do more than a breeze through of this thread but ye
For now while I re-read with some thought..

Koshi;
I want you to decide and base what your read is on this.
I've heard you flip flop between Palmar and Caller for a while now with little to go between.
SO decide.
Otherwise I'm going to be confused and might think your scum for floating reads with no reason.

P.S. (It might be a while before I'm free to post. Ask your questions though. I'll make it around to them.)

On April 27 2014 10:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
No I don't care about the pardon.
I have Prp as null/slight town.
I don't care if Foolish says he's scum. From his filter I don't think that.
I'm curious as to why Koshi goes from reading his filter
pretty much saying "This guy seems town"
to "welp Fool thinks he's scum so he's got to be scum."
Doesn't make sense to me.

Per Palmar.. Ye my read has little to do with it.
Palmar could be scum framing a townie for a... second mislynch? (Assuming Prp actually would of gone through)
Or setting up Wifom trying to frame Prp as town now.
I don't know which yet. I'll draw conclusions on it after I've thought about it more.

But Palmar saying "sod off town. I'm going to be disruptive as possible"
You think that play makes Palmar town?
Like seriously?

On April 27 2014 09:49 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Koshi rest your mind.



If this isn't a scum claim I don't know what is.
Palmar is basically saying "Firetruck all you town ppl"
Besides I think you've been in a few games where the 'blow me town' phrase came up as a scum claim a few times.
What gives Kosher?

I'm so comfortable with this that I hope Caller's nuke DOESN'T land(Like he claimed) just so we can lynch scum regardless.
I also get a nice town-read from it.
Which is nice because I was kind of at a loss at how to treat the scenario of Palmar not dying from the nuke.
Now I do.
SO thanks Palmar for being so scum.

Anyway. I just thought I'd chime in on this.
I need to actually do more than a breeze through of this thread but ye
For now while I re-read with some thought..

Koshi;
I want you to decide and base what your read is on this.
I've heard you flip flop between Palmar and Caller for a while now with little to go between.
SO decide.
Otherwise I'm going to be confused and might think your scum for floating reads with no reason.

P.S. (It might be a while before I'm free to post. Ask your questions though. I'll make it around to them.)

On April 27 2014 17:48 OdinOfPergo wrote:
What the hell.
Seriously.

Why is no one lynching Palmar.
This dude claims scum,
and everyone ignore it.

I haven't checked out SnB but you know what.. I'm not going to until tomorrow.
Lynching scum to high on my list to worry about other things.

##Vote: Palmar

Even now Palmar you can't be asked to put any effort into this game.
Per your last post you;
Want to die so you can "yell at game" post game.

Didn't actually read Prp's case but decided he must be town. So thus pardon.... TO FIRETRUCK WITH TOWN. And he's WORRIED he didn't screw with town.

So what gives? There is this guy in our game... Who claims over and over again he's out to do whatever is possible to ruin the town.
And we aren't lynching him.

On April 28 2014 11:39 OdinOfPergo wrote:
OK snap we need to consolidate.
I haven't been around so I'm going to
##Unvote
I still don't like anything Palmar has done.
But I have no hope of pushing this lynch and no one else seems to think..
well, bluntly put, doing anti town things makes you not town.
w/e. I'm not happy but there is tomorrow.

I'm also willing to donate post to people who are around to discuss topics.
I'm a bit behind but I will focus on catching up before the deadline.

On April 28 2014 12:47 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Wtf no.
How is Palmar not been anti town?

Also thanks Austin.
Your previous comment led me to Oats filter and I had some quams with it before.
But reading it now with fresh eyes...

These are the big hiccups I ran into.



What Slam shot? I must of missed it earlier but apparently he is lying and didn't shoot Yam.
Then we should lynch him.
Yam was annoying. I thought there was a decent chance he was scum.
I don't blame Slam for his shot.
But wait I just read it was Ace who possibly shot Yam?
I'm much confused right now.



Moving to SnB

##unvote
##vote SnB

as per my SNB thoughts.. I didn't like his VE tunnel. It wasn't a tunnel in the sense that he focus him as scum..
He focused on explain how his ideas lined up.
Way to much.
Like I don't even think VE is scum and I think this guy is protecting so much that it makes me wonder.
But a few of his responses and even his post in general tbh give a townish vibe when people bring up arguement.
Like for example
People grab pitchforks and go for SnB
Odin: "Well ye I guess that makes sense"
People: "NO! He's super towns! Re-read his stuff you will see!"
Odin: "Well, I mean that looks bad but this looks ok..."
People: "He's totes scum"
Odin: "I'm so freaking confused."

My problem with the SnB lynch isn't that I think he could flip scum.
No there is that possibility.
I think that it's not a bad lynch.
I know this responce will make me look bad.
But I don't care.
The reason I don't want to lynch SnB is because I'm not sure on SnB's alignment.
He's posted plenty to point towards scum. He has posted enough that I second guess myself.

On May 23 2014 03:07 Koshi wrote:

Odin did unvote Palmar in YOSO while he was 100% certain Palmar scumclaimed with the "blow me" reference.

On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote:
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.

On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote:
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.

On May 23 2014 03:38 austinmcc wrote:
BH I have a vote.

It could be yours, for the low, low price of telling me on a scale of 1-10 how much you truthfully think you can meta Odin

On May 23 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
what are the last 20 pages about

On May 23 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote:
BH was pretty persuasive in YOSO on SnB right? Or was he less persuasive?
Anybody remembers?
I don't want to fall into this rng trap :/

On May 23 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Does anyone remember the quote:Odin bet that BH made with someone?

I feel like that's what this is now.

On May 23 2014 03:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Uh huh....

Very well then

On May 23 2014 03:49 Cavalinho wrote:


I was thinking the same. I was looking for it but couldn't find it.

Both of these lynches feel kinda "eh" to me, but maybe I'm just bad. I don't know.

On May 23 2014 03:50 kitaman27 wrote:
The timestamp is broken (probably just for me). Could anyone tell me if lynch is in 10 minutes or 70? Thanks.

On May 23 2014 04:00 Cavalinho wrote:
Alright alright I'm moving my vote.

On May 23 2014 04:26 Steveling wrote:
I'm kinda sick and made the mistake of bringing my vita to the bathroom, lol.
I'm like when your stomach is all upset and you feel like throwing up but you never do and you just feel bad instead, Q_Q.

Can you guys explain what is this mass vote switch for?

On May 23 2014 04:29 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty sure BH is going to disappoint me once again but we will see.

On May 23 2014 04:31 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm getting the feeling that Odin is actually just afk and that we probably shouldn't be voting him.

>.>

On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.

On May 23 2014 05:05 Steveling wrote:


Can I say that I called everything here?
Veterans townies should support me, I mean if you guys don't go after him now well....

On May 23 2014 05:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Last minute changes:
kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare
In that order.

On May 23 2014 05:11 Steveling wrote:
Facepalm.

On May 23 2014 05:21 Steveling wrote:
I find BH's recent silence amusing.

On May 23 2014 05:27 Steveling wrote:
Yeah claiming isaac 10 hours after the game started wasn't a reason good enough for that.
Scum gonna scum I guess.

On May 23 2014 05:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
What about JAT? He's listed on the player list

And BH if you don't die tonight I'm going to consider that the equivalent of a scum claim.

On May 23 2014 05:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

Yes, you are a good mafia player, but I don't like your attitude.
I'm willing to lynch you.

On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst

On May 23 2014 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Actually yes I will. If you are somehow town I'd advise you to do as much work as you can to ensure that scum shoot you tonight.

On May 23 2014 05:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hey would you look at that flip.

I think Tamburini prob would have given more info than odin tbh.

But whatevs.

On May 23 2014 06:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I actually have something to say on this subject as well.

For starters, in order to find scum in the last second vote switches one of the leading candidates has to be scum, so in our case that means Val or Mtam. Now in a game this size, there are usually going to be several scummers who have been lurking along and are going to need to make up bad reasons for why they're not voting for the actual scum. This is where voting analysis usually catches them. However for this game, teams are likely gonna be a lot smaller which means that there will be less scum who are out cold and have to manufacture a reason to vote for the townie.

So why do I bring this up? Because it's dangerous to make cases based solely off of voting patterns in this game. While I'm not clearing any of the people who flipped at the end, I'm saying the case against them needs to encompass more than just their vote. Also another reason I'm bringing this up is that a lot of people who are now trying to do analysis had expressed doubts to the scummyness of Val and Mtam so I'd like to remind them that in order to give scum a reason to last second switch, one of those two has to be red.

On May 23 2014 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
that's what i was doing before the lynch actually happened and you decided to not say anything about it

On May 23 2014 07:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Why are you so against BH this game, Geript?

On May 23 2014 08:24 geript wrote:
BH. If you want to live through the night then you will provide analysis on the players that blindly sheeped your RNG, the players that soft pushed your RNG and the players which wholly ignored your RNG.

On May 23 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:


you shouldn't shoot him.

On May 23 2014 10:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:

Well on the off chance he is....

On May 23 2014 10:23 geript wrote:
Like BH I really don't get why you don't want to do the analysis you promised. I don't see any town motivation for that. I also don't get why I'm somewhat hesitant to shoot you after rigging the vote to lynch you in Aperture.

On May 23 2014 10:30 geript wrote:
Do your scum hunt thang then billy gene. Regardless, if you do nothing odds are you die.

On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote:


I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise.

On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.

##Vote: OdinofPergo

On May 21 2014 22:48 Yell0w wrote:
So I'm going to go ahead and explain my actions since some people want to lynch me, I'm gonna answer poofter's accusation first:



So first of all, I don't get how thinking a random lynch is a good idea is in way alignment indicative and I still think Steve is probably town, but his play has been very anti-town, talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing except that HF was mafia for no reasons. This whole me thinking there are multiple scum factions is kind of a silly argument, I just think it's the most likely scenario, don't see how that makes me scum. As far as I know, most possible 3rd party roles are anti town, so they're scum. Hm, I guess if I am a 3rd party anti-town myself I would know there are at least one other scum faction, maybe the argument isn't as silly as I first thought.

I think the second part refers to what I said about Slam, I just thought him acting the way someone said he does when he's town is something a scum player would do, I don't know what was wrong with me pointing it out. I don't know if he is scum or not, clearly others know him and know how to read him, so I'm going to let them read him because I certainly have no idea.

And the other person who voted against me was BlueyD, he said:



Once again assuming a random lynch is scummy, which I still don't get, and the issue with BH's method isn't that it doesn't work well, it's just that it's not as RNG as it could be since people know what they're voting for before voting, I asked questions about it since this is my second game and no one brought it up in my first game and I wanted to know people's thoughts on it. Nobody really answered though, people either said my idea was good or it was bad, without saying why, no one answered my questions about BH's method and the general idea I got from the thread is that RNG lynches are just not fun, which I don't think is a good argument. So I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion his method was the best RNG method since people aren't willing to random their votes.

I didn't really see it as a contradiction, even though everyone seems to think it was, I wasn't fully against it in my first post, I just asked some questions about it and then thought about it and concluded it was fine.

I already talked about the multiple scums faction thing, but yes I do think what the other factions are is important, why would it not be important? And I don't get your last point at all.

I'm town here guys, I don't think I did anything scummy, I especially didn't like BlueyD's case, I think it was really weak, like because I talked about RNG I'm scum, that doesn't make sense to me. Anyways, I'm gonna give my general reads a bit later, I still need to catch up to the thread though, I didn't give any reads earlier because it's hard when everyone knows each other and knows each other's plays when I don't, I'm worried I'll say silly things and call someone suspicious for doing what everyone knows is his town game, but I'll definitely give reads on the people I played with.

On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:

tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.

I thought I'd have more time to do this but my friend showed up and wants to play chess, but for now, with tamburini, my biggest scum read is jampidampi and biggest town reads are poofter and hapa.

On May 24 2014 02:58 Steveling wrote:


As meapak said to bh, town down the douche vet harping.
You guys are ruining the game.

On May 24 2014 03:08 Steveling wrote:


Letting aside the douche mode, it's also detrimental to the game's progression.

Take for example my last exchange with marv.
I'm obviously right but all marv says is "no im a vet so im right".
And I wouldn't care about this if there weren't a bunch of gullible dudes that will actually side with him.
BH's read on Odin case in point.

You are only as good as your filters.
And so far bh and marv are couple of the worst players in this game.

On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion.

Thank you.

On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.

On May 24 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote:


Doesn't that highlight the fact that he's just not around?

On May 24 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:


You can be dicks all you want.
I'm too.
But the whole vet thing is just silly and a cancerous limb that needs to be cut off.

On May 24 2014 03:31 Holyflare wrote:


:D

On May 24 2014 03:32 layabout wrote:

"dude" your first game of mafia wasn't even student it was the 80 player one

@ hapa cephiro was one of if not the first players to move the discussion into the realms of because of A and B player C is Mafia

On May 24 2014 03:32 Steveling wrote:


Well, sub me out then shiaopi.

On May 24 2014 03:34 Steveling wrote:


You can't even be witty.
You could just say that "The correct term is ;gangrenous; ".

On May 24 2014 03:42 Alakaslam wrote:

And I still agree.

And man BH no, I know I want to talk about cancer, gangrene, & organic lemonade/watermons but who is scum is more relevant

On May 24 2014 03:44 Steveling wrote:


Just quoting this to gloat because I called it 30seconds after reading it.