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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself.
In fact, are you ready to move your vote back VE?
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On January 26 2014 07:14 Foolishness wrote:This post is me talking as co-runner of the TL mafia forum, and should not be taken seriously regards to what is happening in this game.Don't bring Shadows into the argument or the fact that this is a coaching game when you are talking to someone. This is a game being played primarily for educational purposes so that everyone (including us playing right now) can learn something and get better. Posts like these: Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:20 austinmcc wrote:On January 26 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you want. Am I going to take it the wrong way? Be prepared for me to take it the wrong way. I don't actually want you to post anything, but wtf does your shadow QT look like if you're going to be apathetic already on D2? You're not just town or scum, you're town or scum and sharing your thoughts on the game with someone this game. I think that makes it markedly different than any normal game you could ragequit or be apathetic in. You're not coaching, but you're...at least opening up your thoughts to someone. But you're content to just...give up? are not and will not be tolerated (and this isn't the only post I've seen so far). This kind of attitude will not be tolerated from anyone, and you should be ashamed of yourself for bringing up these kind of arguments. We all respect each other here, and any sort of disrespect not only makes you look bad but also sets a bad precedence for the future. We all love each other, so be loving when talking to someone else <3 Understood.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:17 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself. Hmm, yeah, we are both voting VE, so we can end the lynch on Foo if we want. You think there's something wrong with a VE+Foo scum team perhaps? I initially thought it'd be kind of impossible, since VE parked his vote on Foo on D1 and kept it there doing nothing, even with Foo gaining 6 votes. But well.....scum be scum perhaps?
There was the interaction at the beginning of the game where VE and Hapa were going at it and Foolishness interjected saying "lol you're both town". You think that happens as scum to scum?
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On January 26 2014 07:11 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:10 austinmcc wrote:On January 26 2014 07:08 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, who will be active here until deadline?
Foolishness, and who else?
Prome, will you be here? Toad, kita, austin? ...VE? Nope. Packing up food now, headed to a cookoff. I will have pictures to prove, if necessary. Quick: You still wanna vote VE after Foo's new "entrance"? Because you, WoS and marvy won't be around. Those are 3 votes we'll lose, which maybe, maybe we could need to decide the lynch more near the deadline Yeah. 100% certain on that answer? No. But right now I think I'm happy with it, despite it not seeming likely that VE and Foolishness are scum together and each having decent reasons for being mafia.
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On January 26 2014 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:17 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself. Hmm, yeah, we are both voting VE, so we can end the lynch on Foo if we want. You think there's something wrong with a VE+Foo scum team perhaps? I initially thought it'd be kind of impossible, since VE parked his vote on Foo on D1 and kept it there doing nothing, even with Foo gaining 6 votes. But well.....scum be scum perhaps? There was the interaction at the beginning of the game where VE and Hapa were going at it and Foolishness interjected saying "lol you're both town". You think that happens as scum to scum?
Hmm.
Foo has been calling VE town the whole game without flinching basically. Except when he put him in the "scum is in these 4" bag.
Dunno if that tells us more about Foo or about VE.
So you think right now it's either one or the other then? Huh
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:26 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:On January 26 2014 07:17 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself. Hmm, yeah, we are both voting VE, so we can end the lynch on Foo if we want. You think there's something wrong with a VE+Foo scum team perhaps? I initially thought it'd be kind of impossible, since VE parked his vote on Foo on D1 and kept it there doing nothing, even with Foo gaining 6 votes. But well.....scum be scum perhaps? There was the interaction at the beginning of the game where VE and Hapa were going at it and Foolishness interjected saying "lol you're both town". You think that happens as scum to scum? Hmm. Foo has been calling VE town the whole game without flinching basically. Except when he put him in the "scum is in these 4" bag.
Well apparently now VE is 90% mafia.
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Hmmm.
Let's see if Foo comes up before deadline then. Really want an explanation for that stuff he posted
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
If we lynch down Foolishness's line of scum players, would he win as mafia?
9 remaining
VE lynch + shot
7 remaining
Toad lynch + shot
5 remaining lylo
Wave lynch + shot
3 remaining
I'm guessing mafia in those three. Essentially it would mean he would likely have to beat me in lylo with someone like marv/austin as the third?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself. In fact, are you ready to move your vote back VE?
Do you plan to return to keep your vote where it is?
If so, would appreciate a reply to save our time.
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Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
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On January 26 2014 07:30 kitaman27 wrote:
If we lynch down Foolishness's line of scum players, would he win as mafia?
9 remaining
VE lynch + shot
7 remaining
Toad lynch + shot
5 remaining lylo
Wave lynch + shot
3 remaining
I'm guessing mafia in those three. Essentially it would mean he would likely have to beat me in lylo with someone like marv/austin as the third?
Well...if he is scum with one of those....could be?
The point is, if he's scum, would this be optimal for him, or a good strategy?
It doesn't really matter to question whether he'd "win" or not as mafia. It's possible he can't "win" as mafia, but if he is scum, he'll try his best anyway.
Anyway, I'll be back in 10-15 minutes I guess. Let's see if somebody cares about this lynch >_>
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On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers.
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted.
Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:04 gonzaw wrote:Okay. Can you give reasoning and proof behind these two statements? Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 06:42 Foolishness wrote:
VE actually seems like he's trying to figure things out and is listening to arguments brought forth. Show nested quote +WoS seems very headset on lynching a few people (he's pushing what could be a mafia agenda) and seems to be ignoring critical information brought forth about the lynch yesterday.
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2) I'm referring to his posts where he calls VE town (at least I think he calls him town cause I was never actually quite sure) and Promethelax mafia. Here is the post (he made about 5 at the time, I'm referring to all of them).
Now keep in mind I'm still reading the thread so his opinions might have changed since then. But at the point there was good evidence to show VE is mafia (for example, lack of aggressive day 1 posting, not pushing a case, being strangely absent at the lynch time, and perhaps an unwarranted vote on me). Furthermore I made posts showing that people on the sandroba vote are very likely town, and everyone else should be under scrutiny.
However WoS seemed to ignore this information I brought forth and his thinking is going in the opposite direction. I still haven't seen a reason why my post that proves Promethelax is town here has faulty logic. People, such as kitaman, seem to quote this post and say "why is Foolishness spending so much time proving that Promethelax is town instead of defending himself or doing a 10-page analysis?" That is because by confirming him as town I now have a better idea of who is mafia. Furthermore that argument is a Jub-Jub argument (you should all know what this means).
Why was WoS so intent on saying Promethelax is town, especially after saying he was okay with him on day 1? This isn't the only post he made where he said that Promethelax is okay. Sure we all change our reads over the course of the game, but the progression of his change doesn't make sense. He thinks the case on Promethelax is bad on day 1 and votes me instead. There isn't anything wrong with that fact. However after sandroba gets lynch Promethelax looks really town (put simple, why would sandroba vote on Promethelax when the vote count for him and myself was tied?) Also I think Promethelax's night 1 posts had a town mindset (for instance this post here shows a town mindset of analyzing the votes after a lynch).
No, WoS turn around on Promethelax is not congruent with a town mindset, and this is what I meant by he's ignoring key information about the lynch. That is a mafia agenda to push, he doesn't want to bring light to the things the day 1 votes say (such as the 5 people voting for sandroba should be confirmed town).
On January 26 2014 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
I've voted WoS earlier on and should be on that list canceled out if that matters
Foolish, how about you explain how WoS + me being mafia makes any sense whatsoever when you've been saying that it's probably VE+WoS all the time
Yes so as you've heard me say I think the town wins if the following four players die: VE, WoS, Kitaman, Toad (if you want to be really technical you can add me to that list but the day 1 events should show that's not likely. If you don't know what I'm referring to let me know and I'll explain some of my previous posts again).
In terms of actual connections between I haven't done a thorough analysis to say "these two players could be a likely pair". One thing I did take notice of was that in day 1 Kitaman was pushing hard for sandroba (and voted for sandroba twice during the day). I think this says something because why would Kitaman be drawing so much attention to his obviously semi-inactive mafia teammate (especially on day 1, and especially on a player who is known for being inactive as mafia)? Because of this I don't find Kitaman likely to be mafia with sandroba.
For the remaining three players I could potentially see any of them being together at this point. I haven't read Toad's filter closely, and everytime I read HolyFlare's I go back and forth on whether I think he's mafia or town. At the moment I think Toad is least likely mafia out of the three. I still think it could make sense for you (Toad) to be with either VE or WoS or sandroba but I don't have anything hard to give you in regards to that.
Yeah sorry didn't answer question 1 yet, wanted to get this out there before it's too late. Remind me later I will give you what I was thinking.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Let me clarify again that I am perfectly happy with VE getting lynched. I just have a strong read on WoS and VE's frustration makes sense as a town frame of mind.
When you say things like, "VE didn't push a lynch day 1, he wasn't accomplishing anything with his posts, he has since been not contributing" I have nothing to say except, "yep, I agree". I am not deflecting off his lynch, I just think WoS is slightly better and will tell us more. If you guys are convinced that VE needs to die now and that WoS is town I will gladly ablige; I've even admitted I could be wrong on both accounts.
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Up to what page are you reading right now Foo?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:44 gonzaw wrote:
Up to what page are you reading right now Foo?
Like 85, but I'm f5'ing and responding back, so it's slow and I'm mostly skimming.
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You know VE did the same stuff to Prome back on N1, and well this D2 (although he's been waffling around this D2)?
Does WoS's push of Prome seem more scummy than VE's, when they were basically the same (calling the scumteam Foolishness+Prome+sandro, and posting stuff why Prome is scum, etc)?
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On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
[... snipped out for thread's sake...]
only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this:
On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
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On January 26 2014 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
[... snipped out for thread's sake...] only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this: Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
Add to that, that when you answered that question and showed explanation you showed explanation on WoS + VE when VE is the guy that dropped out of your list and was replaced with me. Shouldn't you have at least some kind of explanation for why I got into that #2 position in favor of VE when you make such a bold statement as to say that team mafia is WoS and me bussing each other while hoping that whoever survives skates through until lylo?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
[... snipped out for thread's sake...] only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this: Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
I didn't even realized that happened my bad lol
I gave my thoughts at the time. I already said I could be very wrong on VE. I'm confident about my read on WoS. If you have the same read and gave good opinions then I got no reason to think you're mafia. As I said I've not closely read your filter because I've been focusing on WoS and the day 1 votes. I did say that I think you can prove your innocence to us by the end of night 2, and from what I've seen I don't really doubt that at this point.
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